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dthorne04Moderator
Aug 1, 2022, 12:3908/01/22
Aug 1, 2022, 12:55(edited)
12/30/20
5345
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Or not dice, just a percentage number. 80% to 1, 15% to 2 and 5% to 3. But this is not RNG. This is not random numbers, just manipulated with percentage chance.

let’s say we’re using a tool or application with 100 numbers in it, populated with the numerical values of a potential glyph roll in it. 

in your example the number 3 would show up 5 times, 2 15 times and 1 80 times. 

our tool or application then would - at random - check for one of those three numbers and oh wait we’ve randomly generated a number within the parameters we set.

to claim manipulation there needs to be stated odds in public followed by a sample size that effectively disproves said stated odds. something being poor odds doesn't equal manipulation, perceived poor odds or otherwise. 

Aug 1, 2022, 16:2308/01/22
604
Carpe_Piscis

dice or percentage, it's still rng. adding parameters doesn't change the process, just the outcome. it's no different to the odds on the shard pulls or upgrading an artifact.

Really??? If you have a coin with head and tail. You have 50/50% to toss some side randomly. If you have a 3 side dice with 1,2,3 numbers you have 33,3/33,3/33,3% to roll some side randomly. Thanx guys to clear to me,with your answers, if Plarium manipulate just the speed glyphs RNG with percentage chances, the most valued things (sacred book/shards/heroes) just like CB drops and hero pulling 100% manipulated.

Aug 1, 2022, 16:4308/01/22
05/07/22
80
PechangaDude

Oh by the way Moderator, you said "as you can see from above" see what? That I have a 65% chance or a 42%? Those are good odds, with odds like that I should have a Legendary almost every other shard!

Deal with it m8. I get the frusteration. I didn't get my first leggo from a shard until AFTER i got visix.

harleQuinnModerator
Aug 1, 2022, 21:2508/01/22
Aug 1, 2022, 21:32(edited)
02/24/19
7225

I like how you so often come into a thread, and rehash something we've already gone over, starting straight from the beginning, and always with a poor take. You don't bother reading what anyone is saying, and you just double and triple down on whatever you showed up with. Why participate in a discussion if you don't discuss anything, if all you want to do is repeat your first post?

1) "Hero pulling" odds are clearly listed IN THE GAME and required to follow those odds for Raid to continue to operate

2) Glyphs only tell you what they can roll between. There are no listed odds. If a glyph says 1-3, then it is possible to roll a 1, 2, or 3. If I was to guess, those percentages look like a 50% chance to roll 1, a 30% chance to roll a 2, and a 20% chance to roll a 3.

You see, for something to be random it doesn't have to be equally weighted. For example, you are playing a lottery game, and you select 5 out of 100 numbers: 20, 31, 44, 67, and 92. You now have a 5/100 chance on the first pull that one of your numbers is selected. Does the fact that 95 numbers aren't yours and only 5 are make it not random anymore? It does not in the slightest. You are literally asserting that for something to be random it must equally weighted. You want the chance one of your five numbers are selected to be 50%, and one of the 95 other numbers selected to also be 50%. 

Let's break it down into something that is more related to the discussion than your initial post about how your Glyph RNG proves Plarium is manipulating the shard rates....

Random does not mean equal. Not everything in your life is a coin flip. You are not equally as likely to be hit by a meteor today as you are to have a nice sunshiny meteor free day. That is a crazy random cosmic occurrence, being hit by a meteor. But you would argue it must be 50/50 to be random. In fact, if we compare you having a good day, you being hit by a meteor or you being struck by lightning, you would say it needs be 33/33/33 or else it is MANIPULATION.

harleQuinnModerator
Aug 1, 2022, 21:3908/01/22
02/24/19
7225
ShortOnSkillz

While a Airplane is certainly not a Submarine there are more Airplanes in the oceans than Submarines in the sky.  By this logic I have proven all your previous arguments incorrect and I'll take my free legos in my inbox now.  Thank you for your time Q.

But since an airplane can be a boat, it is to be expected that we see more littoral planes than we see stratospheric submarines. Therefore I WILL NOT be emailing you any free leggos at this time.

A hint, for your future chances of Gmail Legendaries. Perhaps you should make an argument that cannot be explained with "Pontoon Plane" and I'll send you some though.

Thanks for your time, Skillz.

Aug 1, 2022, 23:1408/01/22
06/20/19
2181

"littoral?" Lol I imagine u and i are 'literally' the only 2 people that aren't going to have to pull out a dictionary.

Aug 5, 2022, 18:5708/05/22
09/06/21
1

@PechangaDude   Bro I'd have to completely agree. Ive wanted on so many occasions to just blow TF up on here about that BS especially when I really shouldnt be spending money on a game like this. My wife gets furious! haha. It would be one thing if the Void/Sacred shards are so few and far between. I play quite a bit and unless i get some crazy luck on grabbing a Void shard out of a box. I only ever see those two once a MONTH as you all know lol. But yes something could be adjusted or rebuilt. The thing i really dislike is getting that lucky void and pulling absolute trash, Its an emotional rollercoaster!.

Nonetheless i'm on your side dawg

Aug 5, 2022, 19:2808/05/22
02/11/21
932

Not defending the game or its odds, but yeah, it is very indicative of RNG. Take the issue with the odds, be happy that it does have a mercy system and exploit that. But all in all, it's a gacha game, and the odds are just not worth spedning money on. 

You can save shards for a guaranteed event, and keep your mercy pull for Bonus Leggo event. But if you're just compulsively buying shard hoping for a leggo, you are wasting your money. 

harleQuinnModerator
Aug 5, 2022, 20:2508/05/22
02/24/19
7225
Angwil

"littoral?" Lol I imagine u and i are 'literally' the only 2 people that aren't going to have to pull out a dictionary.

Hahahaha :)

Aug 12, 2022, 01:4208/12/22
12/10/15
4

Wow! yeah, that's bad dude.  Apparently it's a issue for several people on here.  I've been cheated out of a few thousand gems I've bought and not gotten and not replaced when I informed them of it.

dthorne04Moderator
Aug 12, 2022, 02:0708/12/22
12/30/20
5345
Maze

Wow! yeah, that's bad dude.  Apparently it's a issue for several people on here.  I've been cheated out of a few thousand gems I've bought and not gotten and not replaced when I informed them of it.

Hi,

If you would like this to be looked into feel free to PM me your support ticket and UM# and I'll be happy to do so for you. 

Aug 12, 2022, 08:2608/12/22
08/12/22
5

hi i enjoy the game ,gonna get sacred tommorow is there a event tomorrow?

Aug 12, 2022, 08:2808/12/22
08/12/22
5


i

is she good,i am new

harleQuinnModerator
Aug 12, 2022, 08:4708/12/22
02/24/19
7225
DoomPriest


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is she good,i am new

Yeah, she's a good champ. AoE Dec Def is very strong! For any other questions, feel free to start a new thread.

Here's some good tips to get you started: https://plarium.com/forum/en/comment/news_275495/

Aug 18, 2022, 19:0808/18/22
08/18/22
1

I like pie!

Aug 18, 2022, 19:2508/18/22
05/07/22
80

Wait for a x2 m8. Your chances are way higher.

dthorne04Moderator
Aug 18, 2022, 19:2608/18/22
12/30/20
5345
Malicious

I like pie!


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This thread continues to get stranger and stranger. 

Aug 18, 2022, 21:5608/18/22
04/12/21
499

I am FTP (mostly), the shards I get come from daily weekly monthly rewards, some from daily logins, once in a while I win a reward in the game, or I buy a shard from gold bars.  But basically no big bundles of 20 or more at a time to open all at once.  The disappointment available is way too much.

It is not just getting the shard, it is what happens after you open them, which is also a waste of silver. I get them, I suffer the indignation of opening them and getting not much.  I go under the assumption that all what is posted about odds and results is fake. I just play, not to worry about what I get or don't get.  I try to do the best with what I get.

Aug 19, 2022, 00:0408/19/22
06/25/20
6189
End Is Near

I am FTP (mostly), the shards I get come from daily weekly monthly rewards, some from daily logins, once in a while I win a reward in the game, or I buy a shard from gold bars.  But basically no big bundles of 20 or more at a time to open all at once.  The disappointment available is way too much.

It is not just getting the shard, it is what happens after you open them, which is also a waste of silver. I get them, I suffer the indignation of opening them and getting not much.  I go under the assumption that all what is posted about odds and results is fake. I just play, not to worry about what I get or don't get.  I try to do the best with what I get.

If you believe that the results are "fake", I urge you to do a bit of research into how probabilities work. As the rest of this thread has been documenting. The link I provided earlier in this thread does a great job of showing you this:

https://seeing-theory.brown.edu/basic-probability/index.html

Please do yourself a favor and actually take the time to understand this. It'll help you in far more places than just this game.

Aug 19, 2022, 08:3508/19/22
08/12/22
5

its an unlucky draw bit you gotta stick with the odds try another time and maybe youl get lucky i pulled 20 ancients and got fu-shan a deasent lego alot of shards