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Oracle
31 October, 2016, 8:38 AM UTC

No such things, 

Jezebel time zone is UCT-4, the tournament started at UCT 12:00, so when it started it was already 8 H 00 in the morning for you. I mean 8 in the morning, and you are complaining. 

The is no time zone probelms with these tournament, all is just nag and entitlements. if time is a problem then the same can be said of PvP, BG and harmlet tournament, since people like Jezebel are highly favoured by time, they wake up with tournaments starting and ending. 
Just because something isn't a lie does not mean that it isn't deceptive. A liar knows that he is a liar, but one who speaks mere portions of truth in order to deceive is a craftsman of destruction.....Gedleyihlekisa: Oracle the postremogeniture
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Stewart
31 October, 2016, 11:08 AM UTC
LOL
Noodle maker extreme
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djmoody
31 October, 2016, 2:15 PM UTC

oracle said:


No such things, 

Jezebel time zone is UCT-4, the tournament started at UCT 12:00, so when it started it was already 8 H 00 in the morning for you. I mean 8 in the morning, and you are complaining. 

The is no time zone probelms with these tournament, all is just nag and entitlements. if time is a problem then the same can be said of PvP, BG and harmlet tournament, since people like Jezebel are highly favoured by time, they wake up with tournaments starting and ending. 

Just utterly wrong.

There are 3 major timezones - US, Europe, Asia. It's impossible to start a tournament that is fair to all.

The answer is clearly - do not to run tournaments in which all the actions occurs in the first minute.

Why you would want to deny that obvious truth is just beyond me - saddens me you are willing to argue against the good of the player base as a whole to try and "score stupid points" over someone.

Not really a LOL either more of a


Everyone has a right to an opinion. No one has a right to their opinion being respected by other if it can't be backed up with rational and logic explanation
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Jezebel
31 October, 2016, 5:02 PM UTC
oracle said:

No such things, 

Jezebel time zone is UCT-4, the tournament started at UCT 12:00, so when it started it was already 8 H 00 in the morning for you. I mean 8 in the morning, and you are complaining. 

The is no time zone probelms with these tournament, all is just nag and entitlements. if time is a problem then the same can be said of PvP, BG and harmlet tournament, since people like Jezebel are highly favoured by time, they wake up with tournaments starting and ending. 
there is more than one time zone in Canada ... 
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Oracle
31 October, 2016, 6:00 PM UTC

djmoody said:



Just utterly wrong.

There are 3 major timezones - US, Europe, Asia. 

It's impossible to start a tournament that is fair to all.

The answer is clearly - do not to run tournaments in which all the actions occurs in the first minute.

Why you would want to deny that obvious truth is just beyond me - saddens me you are willing to argue against the good of the player base as a whole to try and "score stupid points" over someone.

Not really a LOL either more of a


''There are 3 major timezones - US, Europe, Asia.  ''

Bare assertion fallacy, there are as many time zone as time itself some extent beyond the tangible space-time reality. you should check out some quantum mechanics, very nice stuff, even if you know the basic like particle-wave duality it will help in making more proper statements. 

''It's impossible to start a tournament that is fair to all''

If it was possible to start a tournament that is fair to all then we would not have a hard core game like plarium. PvP is one such tournament that is focused on the elements of unfairness. A player with a better strategy/activity/army/alliance has more advantage as compared to a player who has less strategy/activity/army/alliance. it's the hard truth of MMO, the hardcore players those with better patience, dedication, Decision making, Background Knowledge ect win 

''do not to run tournaments in which all the actions occurs in the first minute. ''

I am not sure what you mean by that. But I am sure what you meant to say is that plarium should not run tournaments that you can't win, and some can win. I Understand, I have seen it in hamlets, BG and PvP, every tournament start way too late for me to get into the top ten. By the time they start i will be tired.For example most hamlets tournaments are won by sending a massive defense army 5-3 hrs before the tournaments start, and claiming just second after the tournament start, earning massive points in the 1-30K. these few seconds are crucial also to attackers who, quickly attack and wipe out all the defense in there. By the time I check in, all harmlets are emty, and there is no use in defending them, you will be quickly wiped out. I find it unfair, And i also support the players( which include you only) in removing all tournaments because i am too lazy to participate, like you. 

are willing to argue against the good of the player base as a whole to try and "score stupid points" over someone.

I assume that someone is J, well I don't know J, I have never been to Canada, and I have ever eaten or seen snow once, not year round like J. I am just tired of all the nags, and whinnigs, and crying an d shouting. unfair unfair, how unfair? the leagues that won those tournament are in equal standing, they are just better. You lost these time around, then shed your dust, wipe that sadness on your face and move on, for your sake. Next time prepare well, have a better skills, and you will Win. 
Just because something isn't a lie does not mean that it isn't deceptive. A liar knows that he is a liar, but one who speaks mere portions of truth in order to deceive is a craftsman of destruction.....Gedleyihlekisa: Oracle the postremogeniture
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Oracle
31 October, 2016, 6:07 PM UTC

Jezebel said:


oracle said:


No such things, 

Jezebel time zone is UCT-4, the tournament started at UCT 12:00, so when it started it was already 8 H 00 in the morning for you. I mean 8 in the morning, and you are complaining. 

The is no time zone probelms with these tournament, all is just nag and entitlements. if time is a problem then the same can be said of PvP, BG and harmlet tournament, since people like Jezebel are highly favoured by time, they wake up with tournaments starting and ending. 
there is more than one time zone in Canada ... 

very true, indeed, I used the one at 43.6532° N, 79.3832° W , not tangible but will do in these case


Just because something isn't a lie does not mean that it isn't deceptive. A liar knows that he is a liar, but one who speaks mere portions of truth in order to deceive is a craftsman of destruction.....Gedleyihlekisa: Oracle the postremogeniture
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Knightmare
31 October, 2016, 6:22 PM UTC

All tournies have to have a time to start and end. And having rolling times to cover the timezones would wreck havoc.like the lag isn't bad as it is that would kill the servers faster than cup of koolaod in a cult compound. And folks would still prestack. 



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BiohazarD
Moderator
31 October, 2016, 6:23 PM UTC
oracle said:

No such things, 

Jezebel time zone is UCT-4, the tournament started at UCT 12:00, so when it started it was already 8 H 00 in the morning for you. I mean 8 in the morning, and you are complaining. 

The is no time zone probelms with these tournament, all is just nag and entitlements. if time is a problem then the same can be said of PvP, BG and harmlet tournament, since people like Jezebel are highly favoured by time, they wake up with tournaments starting and ending. 
Some people like to be sleeping at 8 in the morning on a weekend... :P
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Sir_bit_yakin
31 October, 2016, 7:15 PM UTC

all I know is this,  time zone or not, when make  leagues  ranked 299  compete with leagues ranked 51  well  guess who's gonna win


I posted last night there were a total of 4 leagues in tier 2 with flags,   today its down to 2


so much for TOP TEN getting rewards


who has all the tier 2 flags?   tier 4 of course   

tier 2   ranked  200 - 299

tier 4  ranked  50 - 99


how on earth is THAT BALANCED??


it was bad enough when you could attack 1 tier below your tier  now its 2 


why not just take all the tier 2 flags and give em to the tier 4s before the game even started

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Sir_bit_yakin
31 October, 2016, 7:18 PM UTC

and SOME ONE PLEASE explain to me how this  protection works


we got all our flags taken today while I was at work

tier 4  BTW

so I go to try to take some back,  fortess in under protection for 23 more minutes

I read an email  took all of 5 min, go look,   now the fort has been raided and is an hour before I can hit it


how is it, I couldn't attack it but someone else could????


as a matter of a fact its protection SHOULD have come down while I was typing this!!!

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Oracle
31 October, 2016, 7:25 PM UTC

1. can you elaborate more, you are getting somewhere, Please 

2. What would balance imply, What is balance ?


You have far better arguments, better than the time zone argument. Your thesis is by far outstanding, remarkable. I think tiers should be limited to 1 tier. any below should not be able to compete with tiers above or below. these might solve your problem. 

Just because something isn't a lie does not mean that it isn't deceptive. A liar knows that he is a liar, but one who speaks mere portions of truth in order to deceive is a craftsman of destruction.....Gedleyihlekisa: Oracle the postremogeniture
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Sir_bit_yakin
31 October, 2016, 11:54 PM UTC

wonder if someone from tier 3 could chime in here, tell us how many leagues still had flags in tier 3


tier 2 will end this tourney with only 3 leagues holding ANY flags, and I suspect 2 of them because of alliances not because they fought for it


they snatched up some tier 1 flags and went untouched the entire tournament...


so here is MY suggestion

no attacking LOWER TIERS at all

let us fight for the flags we have in our tiers, 

what possible reason is there for allowing leagues ranked 250 higher attack small leagues?


as it was this time   a rank 51 league could attack a rank 299 league  ok so that's not 250  its like 248 difference


what POSSIBLE justification is there for that??

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Jezebel
1 November, 2016, 12:13 AM UTC
BiohazarD said:

oracle said:

No such things, 

Jezebel time zone is UCT-4, the tournament started at UCT 12:00, so when it started it was already 8 H 00 in the morning for you. I mean 8 in the morning, and you are complaining. 

The is no time zone probelms with these tournament, all is just nag and entitlements. if time is a problem then the same can be said of PvP, BG and harmlet tournament, since people like Jezebel are highly favoured by time, they wake up with tournaments starting and ending. 
Some people like to be sleeping at 8 in the morning on a weekend... :P
I don't sleep that late but in order to do the flag tourney you should be in the game at least an hour before it starts ;-)  I am old I don't sleep that late anymore :/
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Jezebel
1 November, 2016, 12:17 AM UTC

Sir_bit_yakin said:


all I know is this,  time zone or not, when make  leagues  ranked 299  compete with leagues ranked 51  well  guess who's gonna win


I posted last night there were a total of 4 leagues in tier 2 with flags,   today its down to 2


so much for TOP TEN getting rewards


who has all the tier 2 flags?   tier 4 of course   

tier 2   ranked  200 - 299

tier 4  ranked  50 - 99


how on earth is THAT BALANCED??


it was bad enough when you could attack 1 tier below your tier  now its 2 


why not just take all the tier 2 flags and give em to the tier 4s before the game even started

I agree with the the tiers are not very well balanced 


Its a stupid tournament but it is what it is ....


It should should not be possible for any league to take a flag two tiers below their own, however there was also pvp running so I would guess that the leagues holding those flags had their fortress defended therefore making them a good target for a pvp hit from a higher level league


If they are going to run these tourneys they should not coincide with pvp or exp expos (some people treat those like pvp) then the lower level tiers holding flags will be less likely to be hit by a higher level league taking their flags which are basically useless to a tier 4 league

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Snowgoon
1 November, 2016, 12:47 AM UTC

Someone in my league managed to score 50 points in the final minutes - dont know who it was or how they did it, but we finished fourth in our tier and got 4 buffs and 3 debuffs

http://prntscr.com/d1hfq6


They all seem pretty worthless to me - the best is only 10%, so actually worth less than 5% and only lasts 7 days
Just happy we did not lose ANY units in this debacle

Epic Fail

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Oracle
1 November, 2016, 7:03 AM UTC

Snowgoon said:


Someone in my league managed to score 50 points in the final minutes - dont know who it was or how they did it, but we finished fourth in our tier and got 4 buffs and 3 debuffs

http://prntscr.com/d1hfq6


They all seem pretty worthless to me - the best is only 10%, so actually worth less than 5% and only lasts 7 days
Just happy we did not lose ANY units in this debacle

Epic Fail

Congratulations, well earned, use those buffs before the PvP end, they will give you those well needed boosts
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Reaper
2 November, 2016, 2:53 PM UTC

after the cap the flag it happens again now the buffs and debuffs are activated and leagues which could play the event after purchasing loads of packages to defend their forts they have the chance to mess up all again


http://prntscr.com/d25s5k


i said the 15 raids addic is a sh.itty idea, all say bots are bad blabla mess up rankings blabla. nope feartures like this mess the game more and more and make only inbalances in the game. to raid for rankings you have to prepare if you dont spend money to increase several buildings to get your advantages faster if you raid bots or player castles make no difference. but 15 raids make the preparing useless the whole week you put in preparing ruined at 1 weekend

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Oracle
2 November, 2016, 4:07 PM UTC

Them black roses again hah, I head they are the UE of S2 hardly I say.

Lots of rumors going around about them black roses. Lots of complain going arround about them

But If they won I say congratulations, they deserved it.

Only the best of all leagues can win such a honorary debuffs. 
Just because something isn't a lie does not mean that it isn't deceptive. A liar knows that he is a liar, but one who speaks mere portions of truth in order to deceive is a craftsman of destruction.....Gedleyihlekisa: Oracle the postremogeniture
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Reaper
2 November, 2016, 4:51 PM UTC

Its not the league which make the probs or how they made this (coining or not), if they win an event yes is one thing if the rewards make the whole game inbalanced another one. We all have any advantages from the forts that is good to have but if any features make it impossible to get a real chance in the weekly rankings for every one it is bullsheet. others make the work to play the rankings and others wait only that their main spender win an event and get the advantages too from the buffs and think they can play rankings. If they make it like the ranking players which need 2 weeks to get their saphs from it they can be proud but sitting there and put the hand in the lap and getting saphs after 1 week without the work is annoying to see this.

i saw this now few times in other leagues too players you never saw in the list top 10 spots after the event without any preparing for it only cos they have 3,5 d more raids to get points.
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nobody
2 November, 2016, 5:57 PM UTC

Lady Nerium KT-S2 said:


Alyona Kolomiitseva said:


I'd like to pass your feedback about this Tournament once again. Could you please make a list of points you'd like to be changed?

Like:

1)  

2)  

3) 

Please be short and precise, so it could be easier to identify the issue. Thank you in advance 

1) You need an opt out button for those leagues that don't wish to participate. If the Marshall opts out, no points/flags gained by the league will count.

2) Take the flags out of the fortress and make it more of a hunt to find them - put them in random places on the map and have them regenerate during the duration of the contest. Have Balur defend them if you are set on having a fight for them.

3) Cancel it completely.



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i had a thought of making the tournament with a hot potato aspect to it, but i was thinking pvp.  that would have the effect of small leagues being easy targets and larger leagues being possibly impossible.  it would have also put personal castles at risk. i like this pve version better.  i also like snowgoon's idea of emmitter style tourney. (idk if they were serious or sarcastic, but i like it.  so i would suggest.


1.  keep the citadel flag,  but make it emmitters, this way even if flags are gone in 30 seconds.  that  is not the end, it is the beginning.  the flags must still be defended up to the last minute.

2.  make capture the flag a 2 pronged attack.  the second being pve as suggested above.  but have balur respawn after x amount of time.  and all flags are kept by the leagues that capture them,  they are not up for grabs by other leagues.  an emmitter aspect to this as well.  the value of a flag would be dependent on a tier such as tier 1 has 1m defense.  tier 10 has 100k defense.

3. make citadel rewards available:  glory points and tomes.  also stack legendary tournaments, solo x2 with eldritch golem/necro and hydra/fallen with the xp exhibition.


i know this may sound like the customer may be receiving too much.  but after long periods of grinding a player should be able to enjoy and have fun in a game.  i think this scenario would create a buzz for a weekend,  without long term damage.  small leagues would have something to do without worrying about revenge from larger leagues.



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