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Apr 10, 2021, 11:3204/10/21
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Getting cut in Arena - Help

I've been getting cut on in the arena much more all the sudden, which usually means I'm dead in the water.

Current team is High khatun in lead - 263 speed with 2x speed set & Lore of steel mastery

Elder Skarg 202 speed

Warmaiden 201 speed

Kael 182 speed

No idea how much more speed I need on Skarg to avoid the constant cuts, spider tourney going on now and hoping to get a useable accesory that has a speed roll as I dont have a single speed roll on any atm and I'm sure that would help. 

Any insight or help appreciated. 

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Apr 10, 2021, 11:3704/10/21
09/19/20
178

Have no idea what tier you are in, but lets just say that i struggled to get out of gold 3 with an arbiter over 300 speed. So yeah you probably need more but you didn't say where you are :)

Apr 10, 2021, 11:5004/10/21
Apr 10, 2021, 11:52(edited)
11/16/20
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Skellionz

Have no idea what tier you are in, but lets just say that i struggled to get out of gold 3 with an arbiter over 300 speed. So yeah you probably need more but you didn't say where you are :)

boucning around G1/G2 atm

I'm happy to be in gold either way as it is allowing me to slowly make progress on my great hall. My question is how to avoid getting cut even when my HK takes the first move and  boosts my teams turn meter.

Apr 10, 2021, 13:1004/10/21
01/31/21
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You are still 'git gut' i with my team cannot pass through s2/s3 :D

Kael          (att 2600, cr100, cd130, sp 200)

Zavia   (att 3600, cr100, cd100, sp 190)

Madame Serris   (sp 205, acc 220)

High Khatun   (sp 254)


Apr 10, 2021, 13:2204/10/21
04/21/20
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This is from deadwoodjedi's arena speed calculator


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Apr 10, 2021, 13:4404/10/21
01/31/21
200

Sligth note, calculator shows absoule numbers (in terms of min speed), and taking assumption that opponents also will be perfectly tuned (which is very rare)

Apr 10, 2021, 13:5504/10/21
Apr 10, 2021, 13:57(edited)
10/15/20
866
tanthil

You are still 'git gut' i with my team cannot pass through s2/s3 :D

Kael          (att 2600, cr100, cd130, sp 200)

Zavia   (att 3600, cr100, cd100, sp 190)

Madame Serris   (sp 205, acc 220)

High Khatun   (sp 254)


This shows silver is no easier than gold, i am currently in the process of sliding out of gold (i held G2 a couple of weeks by lots of refreshing but have decided not to bother anymore.)

My team is similar to yours- surprisingly similar numbers and same nuker

Apoth - 263 speed, lore of steel, 3x speed gear

Battlesage for the attack up- 240 speed (never cut in, if apoth goes first so does battlesage)

Draco as debuffer - 210 speed (sometimes i am cut in) - 270 accuracy ...to be fair rarely resisted

Zavia 205 speed (also cut in) - 4.5k attack, 200 crit damage, 101% crit rate

... if i speed zavia and draco up more it will cost accuracy/nuke power, and if i go dooble booster (HK to apoth) then i lose attack up as well..and i cant sit down defensive teams as it is, my team power is 132k and most defensive teams are 200k+


Oh to the OP, definitely use the arena calculator it is very good. Just remember the figures shown are true speed not sheet speed so you have to convert back to sheet speed.

Apr 10, 2021, 14:0304/10/21
Apr 10, 2021, 14:05(edited)
01/31/21
200

As we struggle to stay in s2 or g2 it simply means that we have trash teams not worthy to be there :D

I could climp up to gold at some point, but im dragged down as you in defence (from milddle of s3 to middle of s2 overnight).

Just of  curisoity does your arena opponents rolls have are ususaly 20k+ stronger than your team?

Bestide all this  - everthing is git gut just our teams are weak :D

My team is 86k 

Apr 10, 2021, 14:0904/10/21
10/06/20
126

I just want to add, instead of enjoying the game, we all have to constantly calculate how to squeeze in better stats and look at the enemy team before you fight it. this has made the whole process a tad bit mechanical. dont know about others, but i suppose it was bound to happen after a certain point. I have dug out and old calculator and have started making notes.

Apr 10, 2021, 14:1204/10/21
10/15/20
866
tanthil

As we struggle to stay in s2 or g2 it simply means that we have trash teams not worthy to be there :D

I could climp up to gold at some point, but im dragged down as you in defence (from milddle of s3 to middle of s2 overnight).

Just of  curisoity does your arena opponents rolls have are ususaly 20k+ stronger than your team?

Bestide all this  - everthing is git gut just our teams are weak :D

My team is 86k 

Im about to hit S3 not G2 - i only stayed in G2 by refreshing every 15 minutes for ages and picking the magic affinity teams to nuke :)

Generally the speed teams i see are about 150k so about 20k above mine

The defensive teams i see are usually 200k+ and i cant nuke them down- generally if its blue affinity i can nuke teams up to 180k, other affinities it depends and of course some champs have aoe reduction abilities

I could replace draco with dhukk or warmaiden as they would do damage as well as debuff, but then i have to worry about affinities (draco places debuffs and has no worries on affinities) and i dont think i care enough to 6 star and equip them now, i am losing interest now. 

Yes it is quite funny that people have calculated their arena team speeds using mathematical formulas and tuned accordingly but get told 'learn to play'  ...the game is basically a lottery, pull the right champs and drop the right gear... and spend to improve your odds.

Apr 10, 2021, 14:1204/10/21
10/15/20
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Shambhavi

I just want to add, instead of enjoying the game, we all have to constantly calculate how to squeeze in better stats and look at the enemy team before you fight it. this has made the whole process a tad bit mechanical. dont know about others, but i suppose it was bound to happen after a certain point. I have dug out and old calculator and have started making notes.

Yes and people are expected to do this to get out of the newbie zone of bronze.

Apr 10, 2021, 14:1304/10/21
01/31/21
200

I dont mind to do so, i kind of like it. Tuning where each % of stats or or 1-2 points of speed can make a differece :), 

Apr 10, 2021, 14:2204/10/21
10/15/20
866
tanthil

I dont mind to do so, i kind of like it. Tuning where each % of stats or or 1-2 points of speed can make a differece :), 

I dont mind up to a point


Anyway OP apologies for going offtopic, the answer is the calculator :)

Apr 10, 2021, 14:4904/10/21
10/06/20
126

It is also becoming clear that if you wish to compete, you have to spend hundreds of dollars and this is not the fault of Plarium, this is how things are supposed to be. 

Apr 10, 2021, 15:0504/10/21
11/16/20
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GetSome

This is from deadwoodjedi's arena speed calculator


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Thanks for actually being on topic in this thread. Help me be less stupid but according to this my ES needs 221 speed in order to not get cut in on? Or does that number go down with "sheet speed" and if so what is that number.


to everyone else I understand peoples frustrations with arena, I'm the same as anyone else but there is a ton of threads already up dedicated to bitching about arena so please take it there, thanks.

Apr 10, 2021, 15:1004/10/21
Apr 10, 2021, 15:11(edited)
10/15/20
866
evilized6666

Thanks for actually being on topic in this thread. Help me be less stupid but according to this my ES needs 221 speed in order to not get cut in on? Or does that number go down with "sheet speed" and if so what is that number.


to everyone else I understand peoples frustrations with arena, I'm the same as anyone else but there is a ton of threads already up dedicated to bitching about arena so please take it there, thanks.

That number will go down with sheet speed, it will be about 200 sheet speed required

Calculator for true speed exists if you google it, i am not sure if i am allowed to post links.

Edit just seen your sheet speed is 202, not sure how cut in, maybe you have opponents that turn the meter when you get a buff 

Apr 10, 2021, 15:1104/10/21
11/16/20
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trevor.wilson

That number will go down with sheet speed, it will be about 200 sheet speed required

Calculator for true speed exists if you google it, i am not sure if i am allowed to post links.

Edit just seen your sheet speed is 202, not sure how cut in, maybe you have opponents that turn the meter when you get a buff 

interesting because as in my op im already at 202 speed and get cut quit a bit atm.

Apr 10, 2021, 15:1204/10/21
10/15/20
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evilized6666

interesting because as in my op im already at 202 speed and get cut quit a bit atm.

Yeh i realised that as i posted it

Some champs boost the turn meter when the enemy gets a buff etc

Apr 10, 2021, 15:2804/10/21
10/15/20
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Shambhavi

It is also becoming clear that if you wish to compete, you have to spend hundreds of dollars and this is not the fault of Plarium, this is how things are supposed to be. 

I'm in Gold 2 as nearly f2p player, spent not hundreds, only 3.49 € for one small package.


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Arena is indeed, beside the Doom Tower bosses, the most difficult part of the game. 

You really should avoid fighting teams with unnatural low teampower. The way the teampower (or power of a single hero) is calculated is just stupid. There is a thread about that, resistance counts a lot, while speed has only minor influence to teampower. So if you see a team that is in your tier (especially higher arena tiers), but has absurde low teampower, that's probably a nuker-team with enormous amount of speed. The chance that they will win the speedrace or interrupt is very high. On the other hand, teams like the one I fought here normally don't interrupt. 

Of course avoiding fights if the opponent has lower teampower and looking for teams with higher power to win is absurd, it's the opposite of what Teampower should indicate. Plarium should really rework that. Speed as most important stat in Arena raises the teampower only by a few points.

I never used an arena calculator, I'm to lazy to do that. I know wich teams will interrupt mine and avoid that fights. Of course, sometimes I get surprised by a faster than expected 🏃 enemy. Have to take that as price for not using the calculator.

Apr 10, 2021, 15:3404/10/21
11/16/20
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Skadi

I'm in Gold 2 as nearly f2p player, spent not hundreds, only 3.49 € for one small package.


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Arena is indeed, beside the Doom Tower bosses, the most difficult part of the game. 

You really should avoid fighting teams with unnatural low teampower. The way the teampower (or power of a single hero) is calculated is just stupid. There is a thread about that, resistance counts a lot, while speed has only minor influence to teampower. So if you see a team that is in your tier (especially higher arena tiers), but has absurde low teampower, that's probably a nuker-team with enormous amount of speed. The chance that they will win the speedrace or interrupt is very high. On the other hand, teams like the one I fought here normally don't interrupt. 

Of course avoiding fights if the opponent has lower teampower and looking for teams with higher power to win is absurd, it's the opposite of what Teampower should indicate. Plarium should really rework that. Speed as most important stat in Arena raises the teampower only by a few points.

I never used an arena calculator, I'm to lazy to do that. I know wich teams will interrupt mine and avoid that fights. Of course, sometimes I get surprised by a faster than expected 🏃 enemy. Have to take that as price for not using the calculator.

I get what youre saying, my listed team power is 115k but I win vs teams with 160-180k pretty consitantly, and have beat teams with 225k. I avoid any team with <100k team power for this reason lol.

Apr 10, 2021, 15:4804/10/21
04/21/20
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evilized6666

Thanks for actually being on topic in this thread. Help me be less stupid but according to this my ES needs 221 speed in order to not get cut in on? Or does that number go down with "sheet speed" and if so what is that number.


to everyone else I understand peoples frustrations with arena, I'm the same as anyone else but there is a ton of threads already up dedicated to bitching about arena so please take it there, thanks.

You need to go above the minimum speed specified in the calculator in order not to get cut in.