STOP these winning by Training and SH Boosts !!!

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4 October, 2018, 1:38 PM UTC

At the moment you really can really participate as really active player only in 1/4 of the event (normal KvK).

The other 3 events are dominated by troop training and stronghold boosts. 

Even if you outkill and outyield enemy clan in CvC they outtrain and outboost you in last 2 hours of event

without really participating whole time. Last event they managed 10+ billions of troop training and 20+billions

of SH boosts in last 2h. The new training boosts which did come this week is another way into the wrong

direction as long as training troops gains so much points.


Being active as killing and yielding which is more time consuming and has a lot more risk should be much

more points worth then stupid training without any risk.


Please reward active playing more !!!


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4 October, 2018, 6:21 PM UTC
I 100% agree with you in my second last clans battle we had a huge lead from killing troops and yielding but the other clan started converting in the sh and training t5 troops they went ahead and had double our points, in the last half hour of the cvc I had to do lots of knowledge upgrades with gold to regain the lead and we only just won, we would of won with ease if they had not started converting in the sh and training troops and you were also correct about ylding and killing troops being more time consuming and risky we were tile hit a hell of a lot by the other clan so me and my deputy chief both set tile traps that really payed off, unfortunately the other clan was very dishonourable and got the biggest clan from their kingdom to hit my deputy chiefs second trap killing most of his troops and that is when the converting and troop training really started. We were really happy to get the deserved win after they resorted to underhand tactics like getting other clans to fight their battles and trying to buy the win with troops training and converting in the sh.
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5 October, 2018, 1:42 AM UTC
I think there needs to be more points for killing during cvc because yes it has become a competition of who trains the most.  You only get twice as much for killing troops as you do for training them ... it really discourages killing and encourages training.
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9 January, 2019, 2:13 AM UTC

The crazy thing is some clans now play to this and plan a week or more in advance.

They have full clans with over 100 Jarls where each Jarl has 5 or more high level barracks so able to train 25k troops or more. They have unlocked T6 troops. Then then train the maximum of T6 troops their town can. They target the start time so the training finishes 2 mins before the Clans challenge does.

This means often the opposing clan may have eased off only to be overtaken at the end. 

While it means they lose out on points in 2-3 kingdom battles and a clans battle when they do score points it enables them to smash through the checkpoints.

Come and join United ThoWo Forces in kingdom 68. There is no pressure to play every day or buy packs, or achieve minimum points in events.
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12 January, 2019, 12:35 AM UTC
yeah thats all right what i read here, AND STOP THE TOOLHACKERS !!!!!!!!!!!
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12 January, 2019, 1:12 AM UTC

erictips said:


yeah thats all right what i read here, AND STOP THE TOOLHACKERS !!!!!!!!!!!

I do not buy any package no longer, its better everyone would  do the same , as long as that toolhackers can gold hack  in this game and do all with that gold they have hacked,is it not posible to buy packages, i do further with what I win and then I come there also

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12 January, 2019, 1:20 AM UTC

erictips said:


erictips said:


yeah thats all right what i read here, AND STOP THE TOOLHACKERS !!!!!!!!!!!

I do not buy any package no longer, its better everyone would  do the same , as long as that toolhackers can gold hack  in this game and do all with that gold they have hacked,is it not posible to buy packages, i do further with what I win and then I come there also

makes no sense because to do yet

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12 January, 2019, 1:34 AM UTC

erictips said:


erictips said:


erictips said:


yeah thats all right what i read here, AND STOP THE TOOLHACKERS !!!!!!!!!!!

I do not buy any package no longer, its better everyone would  do the same , as long as that toolhackers can gold hack  in this game and do all with that gold they have hacked,is it not posible to buy packages, i do further with what I win and then I come there also

makes no sense because to do yet

honest players are not rewarded for that

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13 January, 2019, 12:11 AM UTC

Erictips what is a toolhacker? I read about sites and apps egg where you enter your details and then get infinite gold but it seems all the sites do is steal your information and plant spy/malware from what I saw. 

Also if you get into a powerful clan that can max challenges and finish on the leader board in top 10 then that person will get gold galore.

It's easy to call toolhacker but if you really don't like it then stop playing and show Plarium and the rest of us some evidence. 

Come and join United ThoWo Forces in kingdom 68. There is no pressure to play every day or buy packs, or achieve minimum points in events.
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14 January, 2019, 11:25 PM UTC

I do not really understand the complaint that troop traing and SH boosts in CvC score disproportionately.  Those ways to score are available to both sides just as yielding and killing/wounding opposing troops are.

I can see that it is much easier to buy training and SH points with money so a kingdom or a clan with a number of free spending players has an edge.  But if I lose to someone buying a victory, I remember that they are thereby providing the money which keeps the game available to me and I take a certain satisfaction in the fact that more persistent or more skilful play has driven the opponent to have to resort to laying out money.



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15 January, 2019, 1:16 AM UTC
Nah , I just think its laziness and falls into general attitude of how many can and do play,they have money and its instant growth, and suits the company.
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17 January, 2019, 2:14 PM UTC

It takes way way more effort resources and money on sh boosts to do it than it is to train a bunch of t6. Last cvc we absolutely destroyed our Sh how much we did it around 60b just from that, billions of rss countless sh boosts 35k scrolls, now 60b is a miniscule amount of points since the new updates.

Cvc is supposed to be an event more about the sh and the clan, it takes a huge amount of coordination and effort to get it all together and line up ppl for boosting, calculating how much is needed. It's not a training event and that's why the lowered the points, however it didn't help much I'd lower those points even more.


I can train up a bunch of t6 any time I want it's all maxed out and dirt cheap to do at my lvl but I don't keep more than 15m at a time cos it's more than enough to stop any 1v1 hit or any OS from ppl we are matched with. And yea we do all good in sh and our personal learning and then we are forced to train more t6 we don't need just to win cos enemy just did nothing and trained t6 from the start, wait for both pop shields to drop mount our pop and guess what they do nothing, their 100b hits with t1 gets negative ratios and goes back to home kd, their pop stays empty, they just sit there and train t6. 


We lost only 2 cvc events from the start, but we will definitely let go more cos its not worth it, sh on lvl 3 and stuff in it is insanely expensive for the lousy points it gives for doing it. But I advise everyone to still focus on it rather than pushing just for a win on paper cos its all it is the rewards for winning are ridiculous and for a long time we kept doing it just cos we never lost feeding into the BS. 




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16 February, 2019, 7:48 PM UTC
You all say it's a war game but it is a strategy game with war as a component. You play to your strengths not your opponents. If your getting beat then play smarter don't go whining to teacher about how the other guy cheats. We all have the same game options, wise up or shut up.
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20 February, 2019, 12:32 PM UTC
my clan is in CvC with a clan that has more than twice my clans members,no matter how active we are we are never going to win,this joining was bases on influence point so this method of picking opponents obviously does not work,it should be done by Clan membership and if clans don't exile inactives then that's on them. it would also be a good move if the admins removed dead clans
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20 February, 2019, 4:26 PM UTC

You have some valid points, but I would say it is not as straight forward as it seems.

Every clan wants to win, the chief's award makes it sweeter. so we all want to have an even chance in the event.

Here is where  I see the problems.

Even if they are willing to do something constructive,how difficult, or time consuming is the programming?

Would it work,given the schemes some clans come up with to redress the odds in their favour?

The effect  of influence isnt insignificant ,but It isnt really based on the number of active members either,how active is active? Its more about time playing, skill, and other factors.

Also "activity" may  change from  one event to the next.


On Influence, note these scenarios.

Having lots of troops dramatically increases your influence, but if they are weak in knowledge they are more likely to be casualties.

You are a clan without a stronghold doing well in the events, then your stronhgold is built ,suddenly you have a whole lot of influence you never had before, the influence of the stronghold doesnt suddenly make you better players, or more active,it just puts you against clans who could be, so you might not do so well in future.

Clans can expel their inactives to get an easier opponent, but having less members may not help,especially as in the case above.you can end up with a clan with a few members,but the stronghold influence far outweighs the influence of the members still playing.

Assuming they are not already doing this,I would agree it might be better if they could come up with a plan that reflected actual consistant performance in events when the opponents are drawn.

However it still remains a problem that you only have to come up against a clan that is wealthly, does nothing during the event except for training troops for the win.

I dont see how removing the dead clan would help matters, every so often you are guaranteed a win, and without them would it be even more difficult to make fairer matches?

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20 February, 2019, 5:41 PM UTC

you do make valid points, as in this case both clans have about the same influence both clans have a stronghold, 1 clan has 38 members 1 clan has 80 members that is the only imbalance and I hate that myself and my clan are putting the effort in and watching the gap in points grow by the hour.that is frustrating and demoralizing the clan

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21 February, 2019, 12:13 AM UTC

I have complete sympathy with your predicament. There is the tendancy to think,why bother trying at all

We have just lost the CvC because the oppostion scored over 75%of their points from training troops.

I'm guessing the same  amount of troops were started each time, with the limiting factor on training more would be constraints on facilties level, available time, or access to boosts, or gold.


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15 March, 2019, 3:33 AM UTC

I have 30 active clansmen from around the globe. We all participate in cvc based on our locations, there is always someone on and earning points. We all buy a pack before the battle, be it energy, boosts, whatever. We coordinate and plan our strategy. We work together to get points and hit checkpoints. We legit earn every point we get during every battle. WHAT SUCKS....is 2.5 days into a battle....we have worked tirelessly to earn 12bil points or so...and our enemy still has zero points. None of them are active during the battle...but they sit with shields up, no yielding, no chance for us to hit them for points. Then...an hour before cvc ends, one of them comes online...and drops 20bil points on knowledge or training t6 troops...and we're screwed.

We are PLAYING the game. They are just buying the win. This has happened every cvc for the last 3 months. I am furious! It's not cool, plarium...DO YOU HEAR ME? NOT COOL! Do something about this. Level the goddamn playing field. We are not buying packs anymore. It's a waste of our money and time.And what's worse...its not fun anymore!
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15 March, 2019, 2:04 PM UTC

It seems you may have just realised what has always been the case.

The competitions are not fair and have never been, its an illusion.

There is no winning.

In order to get very far in the events you have spend real money.


You have always had to pay to compete.

You have always had to pay to win.

The difference now is you have realised that other players have deeper pockets and a risk free strategy to out fox you and take the CvC bonus


Spending money on entertainment is fine upto a point.

I think,you have crossed that point.

There is no game if all everyone does is spend money to do everything that there is to do.

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21 March, 2019, 1:35 AM UTC
Another cvc lost to a win buy. My little clan played hard during the entire battle, and earned a respectable 4.6bil points. The enemy had 600k points the entire time...until the last hour when they bought 7.8bil knowledge. I hope they choke on it.
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