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Plarium Just killed small clan combat by raising the requirement for Holmgang to 3T influence

Plarium Just killed small clan combat by raising the requirement for Holmgang to 3T influence

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Aug 19, 2021, 06:0708/19/21
05/08/17
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Plarium Just killed small clan combat by raising the requirement for Holmgang to 3T influence

Two weeks ago, the bar was raised to 1T for clan participation to Holmgang. Now it's 3T. Plarium hates small clans.

Firstly, consider that the new levels require tons of soul shards. If you want to grow at an acceptable pace, SH Siege is no longer enough. Holmgang offers far more soul shards than Siege and you need them. There is no argument possible here.

Now let's see why people like me prefer small clan combat :

- Small clan combat is much more about strategy. I played in both types of clans and this is plain obvious, which made me chose for small clans. It's just so much more fun.

- Another factor is less chance of mistakes by small players. We all once were small and we all made mistakes like dropping shields, attacking stronger players or yielding without domain guards. Less players automatically reduces the chance or such mistakes.

- Then there is the leniency of planning. If you need 7 or more players to succesfully do SH siege or only 4, that makes a big difference. Surely the Tower of Odin won't be lvl 4, but that's not important. Strategy and fun are more important than being the strongest. That is of course if you don't get lagging behind because you don't or cant join important events.

Now unless you are a small group of very strong players, to get 3T influence in players together will involve  10 players or more. You may consider that small but I don't. 6 Players of 100b influence and up is my maximum for considering small clan combat. Call it tiny if you will, but that is how I like it. More players reduce the fun for me : the game starts to resemble to a crap shoot of killing whatever comes in your way and raising knowledge and building levels blindly because you don't know what others can or will do. That's definitely not strategy..

Surely I struggle with a personal issue being 'living in the wrong time zone'. Since I am not russian nor can I understand any, there is not many other players in time zones near SE Asia. European or American clans will mostly plan their Siege or Holmgang at times when I sleep. That means it's not obvious for me to simply join any clan, be it large or small. Given these circumstances I have created a small clan of my own and have been playing siege and Holmgang succesfully. So that ends now.

My options are very few. I surely won't join a large clan. It's boring. I definitely will stop playing some of my accounts. Fortunately I didn't buy stuff for them recently so no loss there. For my main account I will look around where I can join both SH Siege and Holmgang. If that doesn't work out I will quit the game. It is pointless tho play a game without being able to participate in the events that offer the most growth potential.

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Aug 19, 2021, 08:5908/19/21
01/11/17
3613

Hi MobyDick! I am very sorry that you are not happy with the last Competition changes. All updates are thoroughly checked for saving the game balance between all players and supposed to make it more interesting for all players and bring new emotions for everyone. I want to point out that I am always happy to hear your ideas. Not a single one is left without our developers' attention.
I have forwarded your feedback to our game specialists.
I wish you a good play and a good day!🙂

Aug 19, 2021, 09:5308/19/21
Aug 19, 2021, 09:53(edited)
05/08/17
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Ivar Marksman

Hi MobyDick! I am very sorry that you are not happy with the last Competition changes. All updates are thoroughly checked for saving the game balance between all players and supposed to make it more interesting for all players and bring new emotions for everyone. I want to point out that I am always happy to hear your ideas. Not a single one is left without our developers' attention.
I have forwarded your feedback to our game specialists.
I wish you a good play and a good day!🙂

Ivar, this is about excluding small clans from an essential event of the game. If your team really thinks small clans disturb the game balance, then I must be in the wrong game.

Aug 19, 2021, 11:0908/19/21
05/08/17
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Anyway, the new League Distribution that was just posted confirms what I said : Plarium hates small clans. Plarium wants big clans and no strategy. Plarium wants us to have billions of troops and those who don't will be rookies for ever. I started playing before you did, Ivar. Surely you have to defend your companies decisions. You don't really have a choice. I do of course. I stepped out for a year before so it wouldn't be a first. I'm gonna give it a few weeks with my main account but I'm not very optimistic. Rewards for compensation aren't going to solve this problem.

Aug 19, 2021, 12:4008/19/21
01/31/18
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I was going to reply here with what I thought was the latest news,but it seems you have read that as well.

Or , have you?

It seems small clans are effectively going to be excluded from CvC. if I read this right.

League of Rookies — from 1,000,000,000 to 50,000,000,000 Influence points 

Aug 19, 2021, 13:0208/19/21
Aug 19, 2021, 13:07(edited)
05/08/17
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KROW

I was going to reply here with what I thought was the latest news,but it seems you have read that as well.

Or , have you?

It seems small clans are effectively going to be excluded from CvC. if I read this right.

League of Rookies — from 1,000,000,000 to 50,000,000,000 Influence points 

They reduce growth chances based on Clan influence. My clan is two lvl 38 and a lvl 37, so between 500b and 1,5t because We don't do big armies since we are in a hostile kingdom. 

I'm playing this game for four years now and I'm booted into the backyard. The 3T requirement for Holmgang is really far away. Finding a few new strong players is not easy. That means slow growth guaranteed, it's that simple. Like I said, they want big clans only. 

I will likely quit the game again. Maybe for good this time.

Aug 19, 2021, 13:2808/19/21
Aug 19, 2021, 13:30(edited)
04/07/17
1285

There are some advantages for small clans also ... I am in two clans ... one about 460B influence and one about 6.5B influence and I personally am happy with the changes (if the rewards for the leagues remains the same).

Aug 19, 2021, 13:3208/19/21
Aug 19, 2021, 13:33(edited)
05/08/17
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blazebo

There are some advantages for small clans also ... I am in two clans ... one about 460B influence and one about 6.5B influence and I personally am happy with the changes (if the rewards for the leagues remains the same).

So you are happy with slow growth. Good for you. I think it's garbage. Let's see what the rewards in the new categories will be.

Aug 19, 2021, 13:3408/19/21
04/07/17
1285

Yes we go to lower league ... but the 460B influence clan was not really wanting to go to league of masters so now we are going to (again) be league of warriors but we can now grow grow grow to get to league of conquerors again.  And now the 6.5B influence clan is in lower league we might want to max out our clan points instead of try to stay under 5 clan check points.

Aug 19, 2021, 13:3708/19/21
04/07/17
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MobyDick

So you are happy with slow growth. Good for you. I think it's garbage. Let's see what the rewards in the new categories will be.

Yes let us hope the rewards stay the same as they were for the leagues ... since they just recently changed them ... and no I am not happy with slow growth but we did not want to grow and move out of the league of Conquerors (which has good rss rewards for win).

Aug 19, 2021, 13:3808/19/21
05/08/17
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blazebo

Yes we go to lower league ... but the 460B influence clan was not really wanting to go to league of masters so now we are going to (again) be league of warriors but we can now grow grow grow to get to league of conquerors again.  And now the 6.5B influence clan is in lower league we might want to max out our clan points instead of try to stay under 5 clan check points.

I am playing this game for four years. My accounts are pretty strong and suddely I get kicked back with no chance to improve other than to move to a big clan, which I don't want. No perspective there at all. Anyway, This is a topic Plarium needs to assess. Surely some people will see some advantage, but I bet many aren't going to be happy. Plarium will need to deal with it.

Aug 19, 2021, 13:4108/19/21
04/07/17
1285

If you look at our join dates to forum you see I been playing a bit longer than you ... :) And yes some will see the disadvantages and some will look for the advantages.  Playing this game for a long time ... I usually try to look at the advantages just like I do in all things in life.  Not to say that complaints ought not to be made or are not valid.

Aug 19, 2021, 13:4808/19/21
Aug 19, 2021, 13:50(edited)
05/08/17
42

No offense but if you's not even with comfortable with being in the League of Conquerors, we are simply a different kind of player. I play in Asgard. I think your point of view is acceptable for your type of player. But you need to accept that I am a driven higher level player with high growth expectations. We're just two totally different types of gamer. Your opinion is interesting but not applicable from my point of view.

Aug 19, 2021, 13:5308/19/21
04/07/17
1285
MobyDick

No offense but if you's not even with comfortable with being in the League of Conquerors, we are simply a different kind of player. I play in Asgard. I think your point of view is acceptable for your type of player. But you need to accept that I am a driven higher level player with high growth expectations. We're just two totally different types of gamer. Your opinion is interesting but not applicable from my point of view.

You must have misread my post ... we want to be in League of Conquerors (because best for rss for wins) ... so now we can grow to get there again ... which will not take long.

Aug 19, 2021, 13:5408/19/21
Aug 19, 2021, 13:55(edited)
04/07/17
1285
blazebo

Yes we go to lower league ... but the 460B influence clan was not really wanting to go to league of masters so now we are going to (again) be league of warriors but we can now grow grow grow to get to league of conquerors again.  And now the 6.5B influence clan is in lower league we might want to max out our clan points instead of try to stay under 5 clan check points.

See we want to be in league of conquerors ... :) (the clan in league of conquerors) ... and individually higher leagues ...

Aug 19, 2021, 14:0008/19/21
05/08/17
42

Doesn't make any difference. League of Conquerors is still a piece of cake. My words still stand. I think you're trying not to understand my point. This game is totally different when you are lvl 37 or 38 than when you are lvl 33. Surely you never played Holmgang did you?

Aug 19, 2021, 14:0208/19/21
Aug 19, 2021, 14:03(edited)
04/07/17
1285

Also we seem to be talking apples to oranges ... I am talking about the new change to clan leagues which just happened and you are talking about change to Holmgang (which happened last week) ... yea we before wished it was less than 500b clan influence so 3T clan influence to participate sucks.

Aug 19, 2021, 14:0608/19/21
05/08/17
42

Well, I guess you misread the title then. I was refering to Holmgang as the breaking point for destroying small clan combat. Not to the league distribution. Surely it was mentioned later on, but if Holmgang was still accessible, I wouldn't care as much. Holmgang is faster growth. I said that multiple times. That is what this is about. 

Aug 19, 2021, 14:0908/19/21
04/07/17
1285
MobyDick

Well, I guess you misread the title then. I was refering to Holmgang as the breaking point for destroying small clan combat. Not to the league distribution. Surely it was mentioned later on, but if Holmgang was still accessible, I wouldn't care as much. Holmgang is faster growth. I said that multiple times. That is what this is about. 

Yes ... my mistake ... though you did talk a lot about sh seige ... and forgive my ignorance but can you do sh seige for points in Holmgang?

Aug 19, 2021, 14:1508/19/21
04/07/17
1285

Also I see where you now need clan influence of 1T for Holmgang ... but I do not see where they say you need clan influence of 3T for Holmgang ...

Aug 19, 2021, 14:1708/19/21
05/08/17
42

Uhm... SH Siege get you soul shards if you manage to make kills, but it is limited to the number of attackers based on the level of your Tower of Odin. It's all fixed and there is a maximum you can earn. 

In Holmgang you get three rounds of 15min to destroy 3 fortresses per turn. It's not difficult to destroy at least one every turn, depending on the level. If you are strong enough you can destroy two or three per turn. There's 10 to 20 times more troops in every fortress than in a wave of Siege tower lvl 1. Catching 10m soul shards is really not difficult.

I hope this clarifies that Holmgang is needed for faster growth. Unless you don't know about the millions of soul shards needed to raise each of your buildings after lvl 35 of course. In that case you know now.