All about infests

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squll
14 September, 2015, 9:58 PM UTC

Hello,



After doing infests for 3 weeks I have some questions which some of you, maybe have the answer.



1) The first question is, when i use my "Excel sheet" with troops load/troops gains. I figured out, that i win more or less 10%. Is it possible to win way more or do you think there is a cap?


2) When you get your Full paid then you kill the last yellow one. If on my "Excel Sheet" my bank value is negative (Meaning that i won more than what i lost) is my bank really negative or just at 0. The question is : Can the bank be under 0.



3) Finally, if the bank can be at 0, Is it restart at 0 the day after ?






Then : 



Is the formula (65xN^3,14)x1,5 N=Level of the infest good for knowing how much is needed for having a full pay?




I found out this website : http://playtamin.com/infestations.html


You can found on it some value about the rewards, does it mean it's the FULL PAY value or somehow something else wrong? Because sometimes it works more or less for me and sometime it doesn't..




Let's talk about Infests again guys ;)



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BiohazarD
Moderator
14 September, 2015, 11:40 PM UTC
squll said:

Hello,



After doing infests for 3 weeks I have some questions which some of you, maybe have the answer.



1) The first question is, when i use my "Excel sheet" with troops load/troops gains. I figured out, that i win more or less 10%. Is it possible to win way more or do you think there is a cap?


2) When you get your Full paid then you kill the last yellow one. If on my "Excel Sheet" my bank value is negative (Meaning that i won more than what i lost) is my bank really negative or just at 0. The question is : Can the bank be under 0.



3) Finally, if the bank can be at 0, Is it restart at 0 the day after ?






Then : 



Is the formula (65xN^3,14)x1,5 N=Level of the infest good for knowing how much is needed for having a full pay?




I found out this website : http://playtamin.com/infestations.html


You can found on it some value about the rewards, does it mean it's the FULL PAY value or somehow something else wrong? Because sometimes it works more or less for me and sometime it doesn't..




Let's talk about Infests again guys ;)



Yes, your bank can be negative.  And negative bank no longer goes back to zero at the server reset, it stays until you load the troops back in.  Which means it is no longer possible to continually make a profit from infests, because you have to load whatever you gained back in before you can get another payout.  So in the long term you can only ever break even (you actually lose some, since there is a tax of around 3% on each payout).  So now the only reason to do infests is to convert from one troop type to another, or to get points for the infest tournaments, in order to get the imperial gauss guns or dizzys to cut down your credit consumption. 
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squll
16 September, 2015, 4:59 AM UTC

This is so bad... 

What's the point about doing it's infest everyday if you can't win **** (edited by Gen. T. Winters).

OFC the convert thing is good but still... ..


So now you can just destroy one by one infest, and wait for you full pay which is coming one day... no need to use an Excel or stuff... ?!


What are your recommandations Bio?


SqulL
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Rhylian
16 September, 2015, 5:36 PM UTC

@ Squll Nope no need to use an excal unless you want to know exactly when you get a payout or how much you need to rebank before being out of the negative. Other then that no real strategy needed anymore and the good days of winning units is gone.

And appearantly that is supposed to be an "improvement" and a "step forward" according to some people (which I won't name :P but you ca totally guess who)
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squll
16 September, 2015, 11:37 PM UTC

So the General T Winters is editing my message without answering...

Always the same thing.

Wondering why the forum is really quite.. U get pretty much no answer from it... 



Okay thanks for the "advice" Rhylian and Bio.


So this game is just raiding 10 times a day some bots, waiting for a tournament... win exactly the same unit each time and so on...


Where are the surprises ? Good things ? 

Please give us the infestations win something to win back...!!!!
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BiohazarD
Moderator
17 September, 2015, 7:38 AM UTC
squll said:

So the General T Winters is editing my message without answering...

Always the same thing.

Wondering why the forum is really quite.. U get pretty much no answer from it... 



Okay thanks for the "advice" Rhylian and Bio.


So this game is just raiding 10 times a day some bots, waiting for a tournament... win exactly the same unit each time and so on...


Where are the surprises ? Good things ? 

Please give us the infestations win something to win back...!!!!
Sorry, had a busy week with school so haven't had as much time to post on forums as I would have liked.  Yeah, you don't really need the chart now (although it's still nice to keep track of your bank just to know how things are going).  The best way to do them is only finish any infests off during the tournaments, that way you get points for everything you kill.  I'm just using them to trade everything toward dizzys (any time I win fighters, bcs, etc send it back in, and keep any dizzys) this is the best way to build a big offense.  Raiding is a lot more important now, since you can't make a profit from the infests, and the tournaments only go so far (although they do help).  Yes it has taken the strategy out of doing infests, but I suppose that was the goal, since plarium was receiving many complaints that they were too difficult to do.  Now it's simple, you just throw your troops at them during tournaments, lose the 3% tax on each payout, but usually make it back in imperial units from the reward. 
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plaan70
17 September, 2015, 2:01 PM UTC
Are the infestation rules different between Geotopia and Red Zero? Are these forums for Red Server?
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Maniakaal
17 September, 2015, 2:13 PM UTC

plaan70 said:


Are the infestation rules different between Geotopia and Red Zero? Are these forums for Red Server?

For the last time i played on  geo and red they were the same infest rules.


This forum however is for the browser game on plarium server. Not for the facebook game. They have their own pages on FB.


Mania DCL R3volution, founder Dutch Elite Force, ex-moderator TD-forum
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General T. Winters
Administrator
17 September, 2015, 2:16 PM UTC

Commander PLAAN70, the Infestation system is the same for plarium.com and Facebook servers, so you can freely apply the same scheme for your gameplay thereĀ 

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Gallen Whalthey
18 September, 2015, 9:48 PM UTC
Gallen Whalthey said:

BiohazarD said:

bcd109 said:

BiohazarD said:

bcd109 said:

Okay, so I think I follow this thread. Now, Biohazard, I have to ask you:


With the new infest system, you said in another thread that the payout threshold has been increased by 50%. Is that 50% higher than the 80-90% max resource loading value, or 50% higher than the full max loading value?


For instance, at level 100, the old system was:

Max Load: 148,913,800

80% Value: 119,131,040

90% Value: 134,022,420

So under the old system, you would try to trigger your level 100 site (or 95-100 site, if you got that random "no payout" reward), you would need to shoot for a bank of 119-134 million. Correct? (Although my records indicate payouts typically paid out between 110-128 million, so this should still result in a net loss).



Now, under the new system, are you saying this?

Max Load: 223,370,700

80% Value: 178,696,560

90% Value: 201,033,630


Assuming payouts are still the same, that would imply that I would have to make up the difference by hitting yellowed sites and get 68-73 million after I got my payout? Is this correct?
Yeah that's close.  It seems you have to load about 150% of the total bank value before you will get a payout (this is an approximation, sometimes it takes more, because there is some randomness built into the system).  So for a level 100 you'd need to load about 190 mil.  Then it will pay out 120-130 mil, and you get the rest from the yellow barred infests. 


Thank you, Biohazard.


So the new formula is:  97.5 * n ^ 3.143 , correct?


Do you have the formula for Soldiers/Sparta, by chance? (Since their infests go to level 125)
Yeah.  I haven't played those games much so I'm not sure, but if the payout value for a 125 is the same as a 100 here then it would probably be 97.5*n^2.998.  That's just a guess though, assuming they wanted the difficulty progression to be the same as you go up levels. 
Guys, I am confused about the formula numbers.  When I go through them for a level 100, I get numbers such as 921 million.  What am I doing wrong with the math? 97.5 * n ^ 3.143 is what I am trying to use.  I know n is the infest level, but what specifically is the ^?  Is it power taken to kill the infest, res taken to load it, or what?  I think therein lies my problem:)

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fakeasnever
Moderator
19 September, 2015, 12:42 AM UTC

@Gallen Whalthey (18 September, 2015, 9:48 PM UTC):
Not sure how you're getting 921,000,000.

N is the level of the Infestation.

IE Level 100; 97.5*n^3.143 = 97.5*100^3.143 = 97.5*1,931,968.317 = 188,366,911

So you need to bank about 188,366,911 in order to get a 'normal' level 100 payout.


Edit 1:
^ means exponent, so n^2 means square, ^3 means cube, etc.

^3.143 means a little more than cubed. (It's usually found as an X with a smaller Y in the top right corner of the button)

If Internet Explorer still asks to be your default browser, then you can do anything :D
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squll
19 September, 2015, 5:34 AM UTC
fakeasnever said:

@Gallen Whalthey (18 September, 2015, 9:48 PM UTC):
Not sure how you're getting 921,000,000.

N is the level of the Infestation.

IE Level 100; 97.5*n^3.143 = 97.5*100^3.143 = 97.5*1,931,968.317 = 188,366,911

So you need to bank about 188,366,911 in order to get a 'normal' level 100 payout.


Edit 1:
^ means exponent, so n^2 means square, ^3 means cube, etc.

^3.143 means a little more than cubed. (It's usually found as an X with a smaller Y in the top right corner of the button)

MH you have to multiply by 1,5 after for having the really bank value no..? since it's 150% of the bank.
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fakeasnever
Moderator
19 September, 2015, 2:20 PM UTC

@Squll (19 September, 2015, 5:34 AM UTC):
MH...?

Anyway, it used to be 65.5*n^3.143, but since it was multiplied by 1.5, after collecting like terms of 1.5(65.5*n^3.143), it simplifies into 97.5*n^3.143

If Internet Explorer still asks to be your default browser, then you can do anything :D
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bcd109
24 September, 2015, 3:10 AM UTC

BiohazarD said:


squll said:


Hello,



After doing infests for 3 weeks I have some questions which some of you, maybe have the answer.



1) The first question is, when i use my "Excel sheet" with troops load/troops gains. I figured out, that i win more or less 10%. Is it possible to win way more or do you think there is a cap?


2) When you get your Full paid then you kill the last yellow one. If on my "Excel Sheet" my bank value is negative (Meaning that i won more than what i lost) is my bank really negative or just at 0. The question is : Can the bank be under 0.



3) Finally, if the bank can be at 0, Is it restart at 0 the day after ?






Then : 



Is the formula (65xN^3,14)x1,5 N=Level of the infest good for knowing how much is needed for having a full pay?




I found out this website : http://playtamin.com/infestations.html


You can found on it some value about the rewards, does it mean it's the FULL PAY value or somehow something else wrong? Because sometimes it works more or less for me and sometime it doesn't..




Let's talk about Infests again guys ;)



Yes, your bank can be negative.  And negative bank no longer goes back to zero at the server reset, it stays until you load the troops back in.  Which means it is no longer possible to continually make a profit from infests, because you have to load whatever you gained back in before you can get another payout.  So in the long term you can only ever break even (you actually lose some, since there is a tax of around 3% on each payout).  So now the only reason to do infests is to convert from one troop type to another, or to get points for the infest tournaments, in order to get the imperial gauss guns or dizzys to cut down your credit consumption. 

So I'd been using the new method, and making a pretty decent profit each time. Then all of the sudden, this week, I find that I'm not triggering my payouts when I'm supposed to get them. So I come here to check and see what I'm doing wrong, and I now read this?

When did Plarium make these changes? And why???


Getting back more than you lost wasn't exactly the easiest thing to do anyway. If you made too many mistakes and miscalculated so that you accidentally killed off more than 1 or 2 high-level sites, you wouldn't make a profit anyway. So it's not like you were making hundreds of millions of resources in profits every week anyway. The gains were fairly moderate (I think my best was 25 million resources).

Why would they make these changes without saying anything? It's a complete rip-off! I did my research, experimented, played around, and lost a WHOLE lot of troops (even with the info you shared, as it's not an exact science). I think this is the final death knell of this game.


Better still, how do we stage a revolt to get Plarium to change it back so that a negative bank resets to zero after a week? If they're really worried about people abusing the system, then make the payout threshold 200 million instead of 189 million. That'll cut down on the gains players can get every week. That was probably the one saving grace of the infest system that kept this game from no longer being interesting again....
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General T. Winters
Administrator
24 September, 2015, 10:02 AM UTC

Commanders, I remind you that Infestations are not a type of easy activity to get troops. This is not a matter of good luck, it implies using of a strategy and making hard efforts. So if you want to get decent rewards, you should work on them. Test new methods and develop your tactics to benefit from this activity, see consistency. Infestations are not designed for Commanders who prefer clicking on Troops selected without thinking. 

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bcd109
25 September, 2015, 4:04 AM UTC
General T. Winters said:

Commanders, I remind you that Infestations are not a type of easy activity to get troops. This is not a matter of good luck, it implies using of a strategy and making hard efforts. So if you want to get decent rewards, you should work on them. Test new methods and develop your tactics to benefit from this activity, see consistency. Infestations are not designed for Commanders who prefer clicking on Troops selected without thinking. 

So you're telling me that it's still possible to make a profit from the infests now? Consistently?
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General T. Winters
Administrator
25 September, 2015, 9:53 AM UTC
Commander, if you play it right, your rewards will be quite regular. That's what I'm telling
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Rhylian
25 September, 2015, 11:54 AM UTC
@BCD109. No there is not. it is now a an exchange at a 3% resource tax. 
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oliv
26 September, 2015, 1:11 PM UTC

When are you going to tell us general that you again touched infest around 10 days ago?

Results and frequency of full pay  have completly change this last 10 days while I was doing them almost everyday the last 3 weeks before and trigger everyday the full pay.

Though being boring in compareason to the previous system, did you finally thought the new system was too easy to break not to really make a benefit but just to chain kill infests and take max rewards and mass Xp?


The game is already slow and bugged. I few weeks ago tell you that it was good to see back fleet and report from allied. But I tell you this move to touch once again infestation without saying is really a bad one. With banking correctly done (150% of the previous one of the previous system) full pay was between first to 4-5 infest kill. Now over 10 and no pay out with bank widely matched? 3 times in 9 days? While never encounter that in 4 weeks since I finally filled the bank gape of the update. I hope you won't tell me you didn't change things lately...
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bcd109
26 September, 2015, 4:48 PM UTC

General T. Winters said:


Commander, if you play it right, your rewards will be quite regular. That's what I'm telling

Translated: You cannot get back more than you lost anymore, so don't bother doing infests after you get your large army.


Sound about right?
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