and how do you know we didn't have any def

and how is that a solution to a BUG?

FYI  we did have def,  it was  wiped it out with under 1/2 hr left in the game, which gave us 1 hr protection, which MAGICLY DISSAPPEARED in less than an hr

https://prntscr.com/i42dcz

https://prntscr.com/i42g7j

as you can see we defended numerous attacks  from  aprox 2AM till  5:30 AM     3 1/2 hrs  prior to the tourney ending

at 5:31  my time      29 minutes left in the tourney  there was a successful attack on us.

at 5:57     we  were hit AGAIN  with only 26 minutes of our 1 hr protection used

its ALL plain to see in the screenshots.

shouldn't have mattered of we had any DEF as we had PROTECTION past the end of the tourney!

How bout this explaination,  we attacked someone and lost our protection?

plausible, except we were all sitting in chat cheering cause we had first place with  1 hr protection  and 1/2 hr left in the tourny

Sir_bit_yakin said:

and how do you know we didn't have any def

and how is that a solution to a BUG?

FYI  we did have def,  it was  wiped it out with under 1/2 hr left in the game, which gave us 1 hr protection, which MAGICLY DISSAPPEARED in less than an hr

https://prntscr.com/i42dcz

https://prntscr.com/i42g7j

as you can see we defended numerous attacks  from  aprox 2AM till  5:30 AM     3 1/2 hrs  prior to the tourney ending

at 5:31  my time      29 minutes left in the tourney  there was a successful attack on us.

at 5:57     we  were hit AGAIN  with only 26 minutes of our 1 hr protection used

its ALL plain to see in the screenshots.

shouldn't have mattered of we had any DEF as we had PROTECTION past the end of the tourney!

How bout this explaination,  we attacked someone and lost our protection?

plausible, except we were all sitting in chat cheering cause we had first place with  1 hr protection  and 1/2 hr left in the tourny

i just guessed cause when i attacked it was empty and near every other fort that had flags was empty also.

i see now and good job on the def.

only guess i have is do you not get protection unless your flag is taken?

i do not know if yours was in your fort.

its plarium tho i am not suprised the game did not work as claimed.

Protection will not stop attacks, and no attack can take more than 50% of Flags

Protection is only DOWNGRADE Protection .....

I watched same thing in our group. 1st place could be attacked without protection. Again and again. Also we were attacked without protection. Other leagues had attack-protection.

Hello, Lords!

The reported case cannot be classified as a bug since this is a part of the regular gameplay. I have moved your topic to Game Discussion thread.

It is a feature? 

Snowgoon said:

Protection will not stop attacks, and no attack can take more than 50% of Flags

Protection is only DOWNGRADE Protection .....

.... but I have been known to be wrong, even tho that was over 50 years ago   hahaha

you cannot attack a fort under protection during the flag tourney a timer starts and if you visit the fortress the option to attack is not there but its 1 hour not 24 hrs 

Jezebel said:

Snowgoon said:

Protection will not stop attacks, and no attack can take more than 50% of Flags

Protection is only DOWNGRADE Protection .....

.... but I have been known to be wrong, even tho that was over 50 years ago   hahaha

you cannot attack a fort under protection during the flag tourney a timer starts and if you visit the fortress the option to attack is not there but its 1 hour not 24 hrs 

In this case I would say they were simply mistaken about the timing of their protection - players watch the timers and will hit as soon as it allows

Probably ... but it could be the lag before tournament data is refreshed, or that the second attack was already on its way, but slower

Agent Pavel certainly knows how to make enemies :)

Snowgoon said:

Jezebel said:

Snowgoon said:

Protection will not stop attacks, and no attack can take more than 50% of Flags

Protection is only DOWNGRADE Protection .....

.... but I have been known to be wrong, even tho that was over 50 years ago   hahaha

you cannot attack a fort under protection during the flag tourney a timer starts and if you visit the fortress the option to attack is not there but its 1 hour not 24 hrs 

In this case I would say they were simply mistaken about the timing of their protection - players watch the timers and will hit as soon as it allows

Probably ... but it could be the lag before tournament data is refreshed, or that the second attack was already on its way, but slower

Agent Pavel certainly knows how to make enemies :)

also last two attacks sent could have been sent when the protection timer was done - they were spaced far apart but i suppose if the last attack was sent prior to the second last one successfully hitting the fort then it was permitted to go through

Jezebel said 

In this case I would say they were simply mistaken about the timing of their protection - players watch the timers and will hit as soon as it allows also last two attacks sent could have been sent when the protection timer was done - they were spaced far apart but i suppose if the last attack was sent prior to the second last one successfully hitting the fort then it was permitted to go through

jez  you know from another thread I have complained about this before

let me be VERY specific

we were hit with 29 minutes left in the tourney,  at which point I went and looked at our fort and got the  59 minutes of protection note, at which point I announce OK we WIN and told everyone they could recall their def

there was NO mistake about timing,   I do not know if we had the flag of the people who attacked us with 3 min to go in the tourney

its been said  if you have some ones flag you are not protected from them,  but I can attest to the fact that MANY MANY MANY times  we have NOT been able to attack people holding our flag

and I agree with DJMOODY, if its not a BUG then tell me WHY NOT

if its working correctly then EXPLAIN to me what I am misunderstanding, and its worse than annoying as I have made this complaint BEFORE, and was told come here and get an explaination where I was told send in a ticket...

FACT is it IS a bug, because I SAW the protection go up and it showed we had 1HR of protection with LESS than 1/2 an hour to go in the tourney

you can see clearly  were hit at 5:31 and the tourney ended at 6:00

I see what Jez is trying to say though, suppose  the 2nd hit was sent at 5:25  BEFORE we had protection and arrived at 5:57

but I have seen this as well, when the attack arrives it just gets turned away

FAILO said:

only guess i have is do you not get protection unless your flag is taken?

i do not know if yours was in your fort.

to answer that question, when you receive a successful attack you ALWAYS lose you flag,  don't understand the LOGIC behind this, but EVERY SINGLE TIME you gt hit with your flag in your fort its taken

the taking 1/2 your flags is a POOR design flaw too,   it SHOULD be 1/3 or 1/4   

here is WHY

you play ALL weekend   work hard amass a pile of flags, the in the last minute a league who did NOT EVEN PLAY but has their own flag still comes and hit you and WINS because they now have 1 flag more than you.

they go from  last place to first and make ONE SINGLE  attack the entire tourny

Sir_bit_yakin said:

FAILO said:

only guess i have is do you not get protection unless your flag is taken?

i do not know if yours was in your fort.

to answer that question, when you receive a successful attack you ALWAYS lose you flag,  don't understand the LOGIC behind this, but EVERY SINGLE TIME you gt hit with your flag in your fort its taken

the taking 1/2 your flags is a POOR design flaw too,   it SHOULD be 1/3 or 1/4   

here is WHY

you play ALL weekend   work hard amass a pile of flags, the in the last minute a league who did NOT EVEN PLAY but has their own flag still comes and hit you and WINS because they now have 1 flag more than you.

they go from  last place to first and make ONE SINGLE  attack the entire tourny

but if YOUR flag was at an enemy fort it could not be taken.

i agree with that the positions jump back and forth so quickly with zero effort... 

Sir_bit_yakin said:

FAILO said:

only guess i have is do you not get protection unless your flag is taken?

i do not know if yours was in your fort.

to answer that question, when you receive a successful attack you ALWAYS lose you flag,  don't understand the LOGIC behind this, but EVERY SINGLE TIME you gt hit with your flag in your fort its taken

the taking 1/2 your flags is a POOR design flaw too,   it SHOULD be 1/3 or 1/4   

here is WHY

you play ALL weekend   work hard amass a pile of flags, the in the last minute a league who did NOT EVEN PLAY but has their own flag still comes and hit you and WINS because they now have 1 flag more than you.

they go from  last place to first and make ONE SINGLE  attack the entire tourny

That's how food chains work.  The medium size fish go around and eat all the little fish, then the big fish comes along and eats the medium fish.  If the big fish had to go around eating little fish one at a time it would take too long.  

BiohazarD said:

That's how food chains work.  The medium size fish go around and eat all the little fish, then the big fish comes along and eats the medium fish.  If the big fish had to go around eating little fish one at a time it would take too long.  

If you don't want to be used as a flag farm, make sure to properly defend your fortress.  

Except the way things are set up for small/medium league there is NO PROPER DEF, since it run concurrent with a PVP tourney, the WHALES come along and DESTROY your DEF for the PVP points

now you've not only lost MILLIONS of def, but you are open to attack to lose your flags too

I've offered solutions to this but they have all gone ignored

the SIMPLEST solution is to only allow attacks within the SAME TIER  for the duration of the tourney...

in NO OTHER game or sport are the participants required to compete with players that by FAR OUT CLASS/WEIGH them

this  is the equivalent of letting NFL/MLB/NHL/NBA teams play High School teams injuring their star players so they cannot compete with other HS teams

this tourney is by far my favorite tourney, but its hard for me to ask my members to participate knowing full well no matter how hard they work, no matter what they do, at the very end they will be CHEATED out of victory by a league that didn't even PARTICIPATE

Sir_bit_yakin said:

BiohazarD said:

That's how food chains work.  The medium size fish go around and eat all the little fish, then the big fish comes along and eats the medium fish.  If the big fish had to go around eating little fish one at a time it would take too long.  

If you don't want to be used as a flag farm, make sure to properly defend your fortress.  

Except the way things are set up for small/medium league there is NO PROPER DEF, since it run concurrent with a PVP tourney, the WHALES come along and DESTROY your DEF for the PVP points

now you've not only lost MILLIONS of def, but you are open to attack to lose your flags too

I've offered solutions to this but they have all gone ignored

the SIMPLEST solution is to only allow attacks within the SAME TIER  for the duration of the tourney...

in NO OTHER game or sport are the participants required to compete with players that by FAR OUT CLASS/WEIGH them

this  is the equivalent of letting NFL/MLB/NHL/NBA teams play High School teams injuring their star players so they cannot compete with other HS teams

this tourney is by far my favorite tourney, but its hard for me to ask my members to participate knowing full well no matter how hard they work, no matter what they do, at the very end they will be CHEATED out of victory by a league that didn't even PARTICIPATE

I agree that its very frustrating.  The design of the flag tournament rewards players more for being on at the right time and spamming attacks quickly than for showing actual teamwork and dedication throughout the event.  

Since Plarium claims what happened to you specifically (and has happened more than once) is not a bug, then I can only assume it is a feature that some leagues have learned to exploit.  Well, I guess exploit implies cheating, but when its an undisclosed feature that Plarium declines to explain, then it certainly feels like cheating.

From the sound of it, if winning is what matters to you, you may need to do some last minute sniping to secure your position.

ThatGuy said:

Sir_bit_yakin said:

BiohazarD said:

That's how food chains work.  The medium size fish go around and eat all the little fish, then the big fish comes along and eats the medium fish.  If the big fish had to go around eating little fish one at a time it would take too long.  

If you don't want to be used as a flag farm, make sure to properly defend your fortress.  

Except the way things are set up for small/medium league there is NO PROPER DEF, since it run concurrent with a PVP tourney, the WHALES come along and DESTROY your DEF for the PVP points

now you've not only lost MILLIONS of def, but you are open to attack to lose your flags too

I've offered solutions to this but they have all gone ignored

the SIMPLEST solution is to only allow attacks within the SAME TIER  for the duration of the tourney...

in NO OTHER game or sport are the participants required to compete with players that by FAR OUT CLASS/WEIGH them

this  is the equivalent of letting NFL/MLB/NHL/NBA teams play High School teams injuring their star players so they cannot compete with other HS teams

this tourney is by far my favorite tourney, but its hard for me to ask my members to participate knowing full well no matter how hard they work, no matter what they do, at the very end they will be CHEATED out of victory by a league that didn't even PARTICIPATE

I agree that its very frustrating.  The design of the flag tournament rewards players more for being on at the right time and spamming attacks quickly than for showing actual teamwork and dedication throughout the event.  

Since Plarium claims what happened to you specifically (and has happened more than once) is not a bug, then I can only assume it is a feature that some leagues have learned to exploit.  Well, I guess exploit implies cheating, but when its an undisclosed feature that Plarium declines to explain, then it certainly feels like cheating.

From the sound of it, if winning is what matters to you, you may need to do some last minute sniping to secure your position.

A change to mechanics that would be nice (aside from the one you already proposed) would be during fort tournaments, you should be able to see inbound attacks on your fort.  If the protection either isn't working right or can be bypassed by exploiting a feature, then the defenders should have some way of knowing an attack is coming.  

Unfortunately, that wouldn't be particularly helpful.  A single attack could be boosted down to a few seconds, and even a league attack can be sent in one minute if the lead player moves their castle next to the target.  So a warning that an attack is coming would likely give you at most a minute warning.  

Sir_bit_yakin said:

this tourney is by far my favorite tourney

How can that be?

There is nothing to this tournament, other than getting to all the undefended/lowly defended fortresses before everyone else, in the first second the tournament opens. 

If you can't be online for the first second of the tourni (or more accurately the hour before it, to launch all the attacks) then the tournament offers no content whatsoever.

It's an absolutely travesty of tournament. Offers no content to 99.9% of players, and gives massive rewards for gameplay which takes absolutely no skill whatsoever. All the failings were well documented by players in these forum well before it was launched.

Maybe something is happen between the really small leagues that I have missed but on the whole it's a huge fail.

So here is the thing with the lower level tiers it is often the case where flags are taken at the very end of the tournament

I would suggest sitting the next one out & watching the activity - who has flags, who takes flags and who has them all in the end

Next tournament don't play at the start don't lose defense defending your fortress and watch the flags exchange throughout the tourney then hit the forts with flags at the end if you do it the last couple of minutes chances are that you will come out ahead at the end and place in the rankings

flags move frequently in the lower level tiers 

or you can heavily defend your fortress to prevent anyone taking the flags from you if you play from the start of the tournament - defending heavily could mean your entire league's defense to keep the heavier hitters at bay (depending on the size of your league of course) if you don't have enough members or defense to do this effectively then wait until the end and attack the ones holding flags (you should be test hitting forts to figure out if they are well defended or if you have the offense to effectively take the flags - losing a bunch of offense is not worth the bonuses you get for 7 days)

If you cannot defend well enough there is no point in defending - also keep in mind the flag tourney runs for 3 days (too long imo) at such a time that PVP also runs so you would have to consider that higher level tiers would hit your fortress for PVP and not just flags - so you have to decide if risking your league's defense is worth it & then there is the coordination to have people online to remove their defense quickly at the end of the tournament so that their troops are no longer at risk - if you have semi active players their defense could be sitting ducks on the fort if the actives remove their defense at the end of the tourney

I feel like a whiner when I come to talk about this,  but if there ever was a more blatant example of WHY this tourney should be limited to tier only being able to take flags from within their own tier there is

https://prntscr.com/jbddep

BTW that a league ranked in the mid 50's  that has taken almost EVERY  tier 2  (150ish rank difference) flag in the game

and ONCE again here is a perfect example of the UTTERY BROKEN protection bug

as I was typing this, the league shown in the above link attacked us 3 times in under 10 minute

and I am 110% sure we didn't have thier flag, nor did we attack them

https://prntscr.com/jbdi2z

so DO NOT  TRY TO TELL ME there is NO BUG

https://prntscr.com/jbdonm

doubt anyone will even read this,   but I am tired of documenting this BUG only to be told there is NO BUG

PS, I removed the league's info because I have seen bullying in this game,   but this bullying is equivalent to stomping on baby ducks and why participation in this game has fallen so dramaticly, so I won't out them publicly, but its the most glaring example of poor gamesmanship I have to date in this game