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The Five dysfunctions of Leagues

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Skycooldude
8 June, 2017, 6:33 PM UTC
Oracle said:

Skycooldude said:


yes. If a question can't be answered by his BS post generator, then it is a confidential question.
I am yet to see the invention of such a generator. It will make things a lot easier for you I bet my Lord. 
Can you try to keep this thread on topic please. It would be a shame if you had to go back and delete your own posts because they were addressing things that were off topic.
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BiohazarD
Moderator
9 June, 2017, 7:33 AM UTC
Oracle said:

Skycooldude said:


yes. If a question can't be answered by his BS post generator, then it is a confidential question.
I am yet to see the invention of such a generator. It will make things a lot easier for you I bet my Lord. 
I made one for lol's once, I can send it to you if you'd like :P  It uses markov chains to generate random text that almost makes sense. 
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BiohazarD
Moderator
9 June, 2017, 7:44 AM UTC
Oracle said:

IronApex Turok said:

then why would oracle tell me im asking too many confidential questions?  

Question as to how mechanics of the forum work are confidential, Yes they might be immedialtely available to moderators. But they are not available to other members, and they should be kepts secret. I can't for example tell you Skycooldude how many bans you have (or what is your Id, ip ect) . as these is confidential information. 


 is there a limit to how many confidential questions im allowed to ask?

Yes. You are further advises not to ask anymore confidential question regarding moderators ability. Including and not limited to weather I have banned and unbanned you 9 times the last 30 min 

Technically he can ask as many questions as he wants, we just don't have to answer them.
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sison
13 June, 2017, 9:55 AM UTC

league dysfunction is an important topic,,all leagues should work on it,it is good that a player of community did a try to aproach one so important topic ,since leagues and living among the others is the most important thing in the game we should all focus on it


what i have to say is that it worth live in a league and fight for the best,communication and trust is the key,


good luck to all those who try to survive in an league
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Gadheras
13 June, 2017, 10:58 AM UTC

sison said:


league dysfunction is an important topic,,all leagues should work on it,it is good that a player of community did a try to aproach one so important topic ,since leagues and living among the others is the most important thing in the game we should all focus on it


what i have to say is that it worth live in a league and fight for the best,communication and trust is the key,


good luck to all those who try to survive in an league

Trust is something you earn, its not something you can give on demand, so by default, you can't trust anyone you invite into your league. Tell people what to do and have them fall in line and rest sort itself over time, if they don't boot them out :p


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sison
13 June, 2017, 12:17 PM UTC

Gadheras said:



Trust is something you earn, its not something you can give on demand, so by default, you can't trust anyone you invite into your league. Tell people what to do and have them fall in line and rest sort itself over time, if they don't boot them out :p


correct , fall in line as you say :)

didnt catch the phrase "rest sort itself"so not sure of the meaning


but apart from this i agree,fall in line is important

on the other hand  it is important to respect eatch player needs,probably i dont want respect all league rules and plans but i am in the league ,i respect my league and my teamates so i deserve to be here even if i am not so loyal on any team plan,


one real example: i am disloyal to the beacons, i dont help but it doesnt mean i should be kicked since i am a sociable and connective member,anything counts in a league and we should respect the speciall characteristics eatch player has ,thats the meaning of the team "respect the difference".

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Gadheras
14 June, 2017, 12:41 AM UTC

sison said:


Gadheras said:



Trust is something you earn, its not something you can give on demand, so by default, you can't trust anyone you invite into your league. Tell people what to do and have them fall in line and rest sort itself over time, if they don't boot them out :p


correct , fall in line as you say :)

didnt catch the phrase "rest sort itself"so not sure of the meaning


but apart from this i agree,fall in line is important

on the other hand  it is important to respect eatch player needs,probably i dont want respect all league rules and plans but i am in the league ,i respect my league and my teamates so i deserve to be here even if i am not so loyal on any team plan,


one real example: i am disloyal to the beacons, i dont help but it doesnt mean i should be kicked since i am a sociable and connective member,anything counts in a league and we should respect the speciall characteristics eatch player has ,thats the meaning of the team "respect the difference".

Well, if you join a "beacon" league, you should know what is expected of you. Having lost a lot of units over what seems for very little gains or of no use at beacons I don't really fancy them, but they are what they are. 


WIth the "rest sort itself" over time, I mean. If you fall in line and fit in, you adjust over time. 
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Lady Christina
14 June, 2017, 4:10 AM UTC
I actually agree with this as well, a league should have trust in each other, and have goals to move forward with, i agree that you shouldn't have to spend money to gain more respect in the league and i encourage all of my members to find other ways to get saphs and work as a team so that we can all get them, we don't have a lot of coiners in our league ,, however we work together for everything, no person in our league is less then the other, each member has a say, and our captains vote together,, when we resolve an issue we give credit to those who deserve,, i also give credit to the league continuously. the one thing i have learned being a marshal for a couple of years is that everyone's ego needs a boost, this encourages members to continue to do things for the league as members love the recognition, and it gives incentive to do more for the league,, as well as helping our lower level players build up faster. and encourages everyone to teach each other the ins and outs of the game with little to no saphs. These servers are getting harder for new leagues to start especially with the big coiners coming in and wiping them out right away, it deters players from even playing the game,, we try to get those players strong and if/when they choose to go open a new league at least they have a small fighting chance, I hate to say this but money players have forgotten what its like to actually play the game, we teach our members how to play so they don't loose that aspect and we have members to play with, because eventually the coiners will kill the game by killing off new members/leagues 
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BiohazarD
Moderator
14 June, 2017, 8:56 AM UTC

Lady Christina said:


I actually agree with this as well, a league should have trust in each other, and have goals to move forward with, i agree that you shouldn't have to spend money to gain more respect in the league and i encourage all of my members to find other ways to get saphs and work as a team so that we can all get them, we don't have a lot of coiners in our league ,, however we work together for everything, no person in our league is less then the other, each member has a say, and our captains vote together,, when we resolve an issue we give credit to those who deserve,, i also give credit to the league continuously. the one thing i have learned being a marshal for a couple of years is that everyone's ego needs a boost, this encourages members to continue to do things for the league as members love the recognition, and it gives incentive to do more for the league,, as well as helping our lower level players build up faster. and encourages everyone to teach each other the ins and outs of the game with little to no saphs. These servers are getting harder for new leagues to start especially with the big coiners coming in and wiping them out right away, it deters players from even playing the game,, we try to get those players strong and if/when they choose to go open a new league at least they have a small fighting chance, I hate to say this but money players have forgotten what its like to actually play the game, we teach our members how to play so they don't loose that aspect and we have members to play with, because eventually the coiners will kill the game by killing off new members/leagues 

Agreed, coiners do frequently get undeserved status in leagues due to their ability to buy and suicide large amounts of troops. 

Btw for future reference, you should use periods and proper spacing, and brake your writing into paragraphs.  This will make it much easier for other users to read and understand. 
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BiohazarD
Moderator
14 June, 2017, 8:58 AM UTC
Gadheras said:

sison said:


league dysfunction is an important topic,,all leagues should work on it,it is good that a player of community did a try to aproach one so important topic ,since leagues and living among the others is the most important thing in the game we should all focus on it


what i have to say is that it worth live in a league and fight for the best,communication and trust is the key,


good luck to all those who try to survive in an league

Trust is something you earn, its not something you can give on demand, so by default, you can't trust anyone you invite into your league. Tell people what to do and have them fall in line and rest sort itself over time, if they don't boot them out :p


Yep.  No league accepts and trusts every applicant and lasts very long.  There are too many spies and alts in the game for that to work. 
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Oracle
14 June, 2017, 9:58 AM UTC

Lady Christina said:


I actually agree with this as well, a league should have trust in each other, and have goals to move forward with, i agree that you shouldn't have to spend money to gain more respect in the league and i encourage all of my members to find other ways to get saphs and work as a team so that we can all get them, we don't have a lot of coiners in our league ,, however we work together for everything, no person in our league is less then the other, each member has a say, and our captains vote together,, when we resolve an issue we give credit to those who deserve,, i also give credit to the league continuously. the one thing i have learned being a marshal for a couple of years is that everyone's ego needs a boost, this encourages members to continue to do things for the league as members love the recognition, and it gives incentive to do more for the league,, as well as helping our lower level players build up faster. and encourages everyone to teach each other the ins and outs of the game with little to no saphs. These servers are getting harder for new leagues to start especially with the big coiners coming in and wiping them out right away, it deters players from even playing the game,, we try to get those players strong and if/when they choose to go open a new league at least they have a small fighting chance, I hate to say this but money players have forgotten what its like to actually play the game, we teach our members how to play so they don't loose that aspect and we have members to play with, because eventually the coiners will kill the game by killing off new members/leagues 

These is a good advice Lady Christina. Trust is the fundamental of a working functioning league. Without trust, the is a guarantee that someday the league will fail. 

There isn't a fodder of limitless players out there, Players are finite, and you must trust each one in your league. 

You also introduced a very important aspect of  earning trust. Credit. Trust must be nurtured once earned, because it can die. And like love, it needs constant reminder that it exist. And the best way of doing it is by giving players credit. 

It might not seem like a big thing, but players crave credit, for the little they do. While I was in my last league the Marshal would stop everyday in chat and thank players for the little they did, For earning 10 points in league PvP, for going extra mile and chatting to a sick player in the league. PM a player and thank him for saying condelences to a player who lost his dog. 

Credit also facilitate competition, and make players become more active. 
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BiohazarD
Moderator
15 June, 2017, 11:12 PM UTC

Oracle said:


Lady Christina said:


I actually agree with this as well, a league should have trust in each other, and have goals to move forward with, i agree that you shouldn't have to spend money to gain more respect in the league and i encourage all of my members to find other ways to get saphs and work as a team so that we can all get them, we don't have a lot of coiners in our league ,, however we work together for everything, no person in our league is less then the other, each member has a say, and our captains vote together,, when we resolve an issue we give credit to those who deserve,, i also give credit to the league continuously. the one thing i have learned being a marshal for a couple of years is that everyone's ego needs a boost, this encourages members to continue to do things for the league as members love the recognition, and it gives incentive to do more for the league,, as well as helping our lower level players build up faster. and encourages everyone to teach each other the ins and outs of the game with little to no saphs. These servers are getting harder for new leagues to start especially with the big coiners coming in and wiping them out right away, it deters players from even playing the game,, we try to get those players strong and if/when they choose to go open a new league at least they have a small fighting chance, I hate to say this but money players have forgotten what its like to actually play the game, we teach our members how to play so they don't loose that aspect and we have members to play with, because eventually the coiners will kill the game by killing off new members/leagues 

These is a good advice Lady Christina. Trust is the fundamental of a working functioning league. Without trust, the is a guarantee that someday the league will fail. 

There isn't a fodder of limitless players out there, Players are finite, and you must trust each one in your league. 

You also introduced a very important aspect of  earning trust. Credit. Trust must be nurtured once earned, because it can die. And like love, it needs constant reminder that it exist. And the best way of doing it is by giving players credit. 

It might not seem like a big thing, but players crave credit, for the little they do. While I was in my last league the Marshal would stop everyday in chat and thank players for the little they did, For earning 10 points in league PvP, for going extra mile and chatting to a sick player in the league. PM a player and thank him for saying condelences to a player who lost his dog. 

Credit also facilitate competition, and make players become more active. 

How does one earn 10 points in league pvp?  That's like killing 1 unit, and a fairly low level unit at that. 

I get giving credit when players do something good, but if you congratulate them on doing useless things they'll just keep doing those useless things. 
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Jezebel
18 June, 2017, 8:44 PM UTC
BiohazarD said:

Oracle said:


Lady Christina said:


I actually agree with this as well, a league should have trust in each other, and have goals to move forward with, i agree that you shouldn't have to spend money to gain more respect in the league and i encourage all of my members to find other ways to get saphs and work as a team so that we can all get them, we don't have a lot of coiners in our league ,, however we work together for everything, no person in our league is less then the other, each member has a say, and our captains vote together,, when we resolve an issue we give credit to those who deserve,, i also give credit to the league continuously. the one thing i have learned being a marshal for a couple of years is that everyone's ego needs a boost, this encourages members to continue to do things for the league as members love the recognition, and it gives incentive to do more for the league,, as well as helping our lower level players build up faster. and encourages everyone to teach each other the ins and outs of the game with little to no saphs. These servers are getting harder for new leagues to start especially with the big coiners coming in and wiping them out right away, it deters players from even playing the game,, we try to get those players strong and if/when they choose to go open a new league at least they have a small fighting chance, I hate to say this but money players have forgotten what its like to actually play the game, we teach our members how to play so they don't loose that aspect and we have members to play with, because eventually the coiners will kill the game by killing off new members/leagues 

These is a good advice Lady Christina. Trust is the fundamental of a working functioning league. Without trust, the is a guarantee that someday the league will fail. 

There isn't a fodder of limitless players out there, Players are finite, and you must trust each one in your league. 

You also introduced a very important aspect of  earning trust. Credit. Trust must be nurtured once earned, because it can die. And like love, it needs constant reminder that it exist. And the best way of doing it is by giving players credit. 

It might not seem like a big thing, but players crave credit, for the little they do. While I was in my last league the Marshal would stop everyday in chat and thank players for the little they did, For earning 10 points in league PvP, for going extra mile and chatting to a sick player in the league. PM a player and thank him for saying condelences to a player who lost his dog. 

Credit also facilitate competition, and make players become more active. 

How does one earn 10 points in league pvp?  That's like killing 1 unit, and a fairly low level unit at that. 

I get giving credit when players do something good, but if you congratulate them on doing useless things they'll just keep doing those useless things. 
Agree - as a Marshal the leadership needs to lead by example as well - if you want your members out there earning points and helping with achievements you better be putting your troops out there and making the effort to raid and build along with them.  Inactive leadership will surely kill a league - players want to know their leadership is there and active working towards the league's goals.  I tend to send out a mass mail to membership congratulating them on their hard work as a collective when we do well in a tournament.
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IronApex Turok
19 June, 2017, 4:10 AM UTC

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Oracle
19 June, 2017, 5:54 AM UTC

Plarium respect the right to freedom of expression. And as a moderator on the forum I respect your right to express yourself in a language of your choice.


However, your right come with limitations. You are free to express yourself in a language of your choice in a specified thread. English in an English thread. Should you wish to post in another language, you must provide a Google translation of your text. 


With these said, I will be giving you a ban next time you post in another language and don't provide an English translation of your text. 


I am not sure why you think these is a good idea. I also advise you to edit your text.

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Tamerin
24 June, 2017, 5:56 AM UTC

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Oracle
24 June, 2017, 10:04 AM UTC

He thought it will be funny to use a paragraph generator. He randomised it around key words Banana is one of the used word. 


He then probably translated portions of it. What he didn't know is that it's not funny. And most of what he wrote is extremely informal and out of normal human behaviour. 


He deserves 9 million days ban for his offensive joke. 

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roadstar Pitbull
24 June, 2017, 2:10 PM UTC

Oracle said:


He thought it will be funny to use a paragraph generator. He randomised it around key words Banana is one of the used word. 


He then probably translated portions of it. What he didn't know is that it's not funny. And most of what he wrote is extremely informal and out of normal human behaviour. 


He deserves 9 million days ban for his offensive joke. 

That is no way near as bad as some of your posts of utter nonsense.

Yet the little man with the big stick wants to threaten bans and take offense???

What a true show of character.....
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Oracle
24 June, 2017, 5:47 PM UTC

. It's a joke. Goodness Turok made a joke, I explained that it's a joke. Temerin made a statement of how the joke is like. 



It's not possible to ban players for 9 million days. It's a joke

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