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Emitters Carnage Event

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exxxe
20 October, 2016, 3:34 PM UTC

many of you probably already knows what that is and some dont want this event to reach Stormfall 


(it is basically an event where you take down beacons and once it is finished you restore 90% of your losses)


now as many know devs are still getting feedback from total domination and they plan to release it here


now this thread is for you to say whether you want it or not, be constructive and give reasons 


if you are against it then tell plarium what to change/ alter in the event before they bring it here (suggest how to improve it)

so mainly answer those questions:-

1) do you want the event in stormfall and why ?

2) what would you like to change or improve in the event ?

3) would you participate in the event ?


all forum rules apply also this is your chance to give feedback about it before it gets here 

enjoy


I'am me and that is what i care about :)
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Snowgoon
20 October, 2016, 4:06 PM UTC

Difficult questions

Maybe this will make it easier to answer - http://prntscr.com/cwqhuw

We need to decide if beacons are worth defending - If not, then lets leave them abandoned and use them only for pvp (like Hamlets)
Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way - Pink Floyd - http://prnt.sc/dv923b
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Sifr
20 October, 2016, 4:23 PM UTC

Well, I have a universal question that I'd like to ask on every new event and now I got the chance :)

1. What is the ideal/predicted/envisioned course of action of players by the devs? Like everyone go trigger happy or something else?

2. What is the ideal outcome/results envisioned by the devs? 


Knowing the answers to these questions might change the mind of some players.

Fighter Sifr of Fellowship
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Oracle
20 October, 2016, 4:54 PM UTC

I think the screenshot by snoogoon have answered everything. it will be fine since 90% of lost defense will be restored. BUT then I looked at the old times offense defense rankings, If you have seen it recently you will know what will happen. 

there was recently a war, and using my very small brain, it looks rather surprising. hammers have not been used in that war, Hammers at both sides have increased, exponentially, in fact cubic-ally, some like UC hammers have increased by 10 folds. 

Now I ask you what will happen when people get super button pressing happy, what will happen to the little league, now that the so called ''war'' is over. Add these 90% restoration into the equation and, things will explode.  It will results in little leagues being bullied, it will be anarchy, it will be bloodshed, it will be fun for the super coiners. It will be disasters for emerging leagues, especially the inner beacon holding league, Players will quit. 

it can probably work on Kabaam, but it can't on Plarium Stormfall. it will destroy everything. since these beacon tournament will last 1-3 days, and not 1 hr things will get very bad. It can't work it will never work, its not in any way feasible. 
Just because something isn't a lie does not mean that it isn't deceptive. A liar knows that he is a liar, but one who speaks mere portions of truth in order to deceive is a craftsman of destruction.....Gedleyihlekisa: Oracle the postremogeniture
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KING
20 October, 2016, 5:58 PM UTC

exxxe said:


many of you probably already knows what that is and some dont want this event to reach Stormfall 


(it is basically an event where you take down beacons and once it is finished you restore 90% of your losses)


now as many know devs are still getting feedback from total domination and they plan to release it here


now this thread is for you to say whether you want it or not, be constructive and give reasons 


if you are against it then tell plarium what to change/ alter in the event before they bring it here (suggest how to improve it)

so mainly answer those questions:-

1) do you want the event in stormfall and why ?

2) what would you like to change or improve in the event ?

3) would you participate in the event ?


all forum rules apply also this is your chance to give feedback about it before it gets here 

enjoy



1) No, cause it makes beacons pointless and we would drop all beacons and Hence game loses its point ... no reason for us to play we move on ... o by we i mean anyone with Knowledge to understand what this would mean

2) glad YOU GUY asked for our opinions soooo ..... let me make a simple comparison to that event ..... a normal glass falls from a 3 story building then a bulldozer drives over it and THEN the tiny pieces get blown away into the wind ...... NOT EVEN BOB THE BUILDER would fix that ...... this is how i see that event lol


3) LMAO, i even have a problem with the question ...... its not up to me ..... i say NO ..... some league attacks us we get points for them hitting us O WOW look we did participate !!!!
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FAILO
20 October, 2016, 6:30 PM UTC

1)NO i dont want it.. if you want beacons to be extinct and useless go ahead dont listen to the players.  Snowgoons's screenshot says it all.

2)for an event like this i dont know if it can be changed well unless defenders get a great boost to offset the crazy offence out there. this tournament will just destroy the balance even more that all the other crazy updates already have.

3)if it is implemented i dont think i will have a choice to participate or not as a beacon holding league. all beacons will be crushed for the amusement of mega coiners while all the small players quit.


all in all if you want this game dominated by ONLY mega coiners and everyone else to quit and find a different game destroying your player base. then yes it is a good idea.
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sison
20 October, 2016, 8:19 PM UTC

1)no i dont want it cause coiners will replace big part of their troop easy and the mechanic of beacons is win the massive troop.


2)i would nt change something,beacon tournaments should remain as it is if they want to change it a little bit ok ,like giving some different prizes but it should be as it is now like  a pvp event only for beacons.


3)it is impossible to participate in this event,whith what troop?i will replace my small troop and he will replace his big troop who replace more? (rhetoric question)




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Stewart
20 October, 2016, 10:25 PM UTC

I dont play total domination so will be making some guestimations.


Plarium is in the business of making money so, I assume that you get your 90% of losses back free. But for the cash you will probably be able to heal the other 10% with sapph.


1 yes, It will get rid of all the long ago def in beacons which it seems is a plan by plarium which would make league coordination easier (beacon def moves)

1 no, the beacons will be devastated, There will be some lvl5 beacons left after the event but not many, And with the other beacons just imagine a beacon drop in 1 go with 80-90% of the beacons on the map at lvl1. After the carnage event when there is no 90% revive to help there will be fighting for a while till people get sick of losing troops. And after the bigger leagues have dropped their long ago members that no longer have bcn def to justify the league spot, Then mergers will go in full swing to create superleagues that make the leagues we have now look ordinary.


2 Without knowing the details i cant say.


3 I, like so many others will have no choice whether to play or not.
Noodle maker extreme
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legendslady
21 October, 2016, 1:40 AM UTC

It's a horrible event.

Beacons are the end game content. It takes a long time to build your beacon territory. A long time in building the power of your armies, a long time in playing the diplo in the game.

Then they come up with an event that can break that all in 24hrs. 

The worst part of the game is that it is yet another "timing" event. The flag event is flawed as "who is online for the 1st hour of the event". Emitter Carnage is "who is online for the last hour of the event".

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DJ Friction
21 October, 2016, 4:52 AM UTC

1: I agree with Oracle and Stewart on this; it's a good idea for those who can easily retake their beacons and don't have to worry about fighting over them when it's over. For smaller leagues it's a pain in the a and I would probably consider quitting myself rather than having to deal with all the ridiculousness arising from it all.


2: Don't know more than that I don't want it to be as it has been suggested.


3: No. Who comes up with all these "ideas"? It's starting to get annoying in how most new ideas seem to cater to those with enough resources to not worry about these things unlike me and a lot of other players. Maybe the devs/creators/whoever is in charge should start looking at how to make this game sustainable/interesting in the long run rather than aiming for a short-term money grab.
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IronApex Turok
21 October, 2016, 7:48 AM UTC

beacons have been useless for some time now.


fotresses offer more for ranking than beacons do.


with 1 billion offensive hammers walking around why defend?


the only reason to have a beacon is for DE.  but with level 32 arts and 50% why bother with DE?
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exxxe
21 October, 2016, 9:02 AM UTC

ok thank you all for answering 


the summary is:-


you dislike the event because it will make you lose your beacons and all your hard work in matter of minutes making beacons useless and defending them also (because big hammers)


but 1) have you considered that you will recover 90 % and can simply retake the beacons lost and restock them (lets say a 1000bln hammer takes down all beacons still there is no way to hold them all so once the event is over you can retake them)

2) it is a chance to kill all inactive deff, 

3) change the global map giving a chance for small leagues (the big leagues will lose inactive deff so they will be able to hold less beacons)

4)add some actual fighting without necessarily breaking any NAP's or losing more than 10% of units 

5) even though you need to re upgrade to lvl 5 remember this event will have rewards as well as its a chance for leagues to show off 

you can send all of your deff and demonstrate strength knowing that no matter how much you lose you are getting 90% back

6) about the screenshot from snowgoon it could be for several reasons such as low number of leagues or low interest or simply already existed leagues have captured what they need 


Solution :- if leagues were given the chance to opt out from participating then all your issues would be solved 

example league A does not want to participate then league A beacons can not be attacked for the entire time of the event as well as they cant attack other beacons 


I'am me and that is what i care about :)
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Alyona Kolomiitseva
Community Manager
21 October, 2016, 9:22 AM UTC

Sifr said:


Well, I have a universal question that I'd like to ask on every new event and now I got the chance :)

1. What is the ideal/predicted/envisioned course of action of players by the devs? Like everyone go trigger happy or something else?

2. What is the ideal outcome/results envisioned by the devs? 


Knowing the answers to these questions might change the mind of some players.

Unfortunately, there are no devs on this forum. But I can tell you how I see it:

1) Players engage in massive fights and battles all over the map. Many players that were afraid of losing their Units now have a chance to use them and restore almost all of them for free right after the event ends.

The event is shorter than all other Tournaments (at least in Total Domination), and the time frame for battles is short. So it will also make players mobilize their Leagues and act together as a team - teamwork, better experience, new emotions, new fresh look at the game.

For bigger Leagues:

- Their position is in danger. They need to act quickly and jointly if they want to hold their positions.

For smaller Leagues:

- They finally have a chance to overcome stronger enemies and show their potential.

Also, considering the fact that almost all Units at Beacons will be destroyed (not all and not everywhere, but let's take a hypothetical situation), only active Leagues will be in TOP Rankings. No more Defense from people who have left the game, but still in TOP Leagues.

2) More player interactions, more activity on server. We have shown the graph of the fights on the server before and during the Carnage in our first Live Stream. 

That's my vision of this Tournament. Feel free to debate 

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sison
21 October, 2016, 9:45 AM UTC

realy alyone? and who will replace faster his/her troop the coiner or the small league?


when he has 50 mil and i 2 mill who replace more troop whith the 90% free revive?


realy i feel they dont think us 


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exxxe
21 October, 2016, 10:22 AM UTC

sison said:


realy alyone? and who will replace faster his/her troop the coiner or the small league?


when he has 50 mil and i 2 mill who replace more troop whith the 90% free revive?


realy i feel they dont think us 


lord Sison all participants will have 90% of their losses restored once the event is over there is no faster or slower 

I'am me and that is what i care about :)
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djmoody
21 October, 2016, 12:58 PM UTC

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:


1) Players engage in massive fights and battles all over the map. Many players that were afraid of losing their Units now have a chance to use them and restore almost all of them for free right after the event ends.

So if your premise is right and all that people want is "big fights" then you are onto a winner.

Seeing as most of the feedback you are getting right now is negative could it be that a significant number of people are playing to enjoy a "strategy game" and aren't pre-pubescent looking for "big fights?". (Your player base is virtually entirely adults if you didn't know).

This event is a fail because it rides rough shot over ALL strategy. 

If some idiots who know nothing want to take down your beacon, they will. They don't need to know how to strength test or how organise a beacon attack. They can be absolutely clueless, they just send absolutely all the offence they have and will probably overwhelm your beacon eventually no matter how badly they run the attacks. They feel comfortable knowing they can do that because Plarium removed virtually all consequences of running a failed beacon attack by reviving 90% of their troops for free.

Now you have no defence with which to defend that beacon (until the end of the event). It will be de-levelled to 1 by all the opportunists, as usual.

If you are lucky you will end the event with your lvl 5 turned into a lvl 1 by a bunch of morons, with no clue.

If you are unlucky another league will exploit the flaws of the event and jump in your beacon right at the end of the event. Now you have to waste your offense at full price to reclaim your beacon. As someone pointed already out this is a flawed "who is on for the last hour of the event" event. Beacon holding down simply to what timezone you play in - genius.

You just turned beacon holding into a once a month 24hr stupidity concept. Given beacon holding is the only end game activity for players (after a while using your troops for league goals like this is the only enjoyable content for most players) you just messed up the game for most of your player base.

There was already a death knell for strategy when you decided this week to mess with the troop mechanics and make it so uber coiners can have offence that acts as defence (now they can play as sloppily and as badly as they like with no consequence).

Please don't completely kill strategy. There are only so many bad updates most of us can live through and cling onto playing.

Everyone has a right to an opinion. No one has a right to their opinion being respected by other if it can't be backed up with rational and logic explanation
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djmoody
21 October, 2016, 1:09 PM UTC
exxxe said:

sison said:


realy alyone? and who will replace faster his/her troop the coiner or the small league?


when he has 50 mil and i 2 mill who replace more troop whith the 90% free revive?


realy i feel they dont think us 


lord Sison all participants will have 90% of their losses restored once the event is over there is no faster or slower 

The event comes with a significant increase to the % of troops that can be revived at the healer doesn't it (no surprise a coiner friendly event from Profitarium).
Everyone has a right to an opinion. No one has a right to their opinion being respected by other if it can't be backed up with rational and logic explanation
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djmoody
21 October, 2016, 1:27 PM UTC

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:


Also, considering the fact that almost all Units at Beacons will be destroyed (not all and not everywhere, but let's take a hypothetical situation), only active Leagues will be in TOP Rankings. No more Defense from people who have left the game, but still in TOP Leagues.

So in your world this is correcting for the problem that all TOP leagues are inactive and all the small leagues are hyper active but held back due to inactive defence.

All I can say is wow. Your journey to completely loss of credibility of the forums is complete.

The top leagues are the top league because they have the strongest leadership which drives the activity in their leagues. When the leadership of a top league drop their activity level, the energy behind their league goes and the league dies and goes away.

The problem you think you are solving isn't a real problem.

In fact quite the opposite, the flawed and badly designed event may well lead to completely skewed TOP ranking, representing only temporarily achievement in abusing the stupid event. The rankings used to represent the fruits of successful medium term strategy. Way better that they are the result of the last dumb 24hr event right.............
Everyone has a right to an opinion. No one has a right to their opinion being respected by other if it can't be backed up with rational and logic explanation
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djmoody
21 October, 2016, 1:30 PM UTC

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:


2) More player interactions, more activity on server. We have shown the graph of the fights on the server before and during the Carnage in our first Live Stream. 

And then we get to the core of it - more profit.

More fighting = more revival = more money for Plarium.

Who cares whether its a good idea for the long term future of the game or not. I doubt I am the only person to see through this.
Everyone has a right to an opinion. No one has a right to their opinion being respected by other if it can't be backed up with rational and logic explanation
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DJ Friction
21 October, 2016, 3:16 PM UTC
exxxe said:

sison said:


realy alyone? and who will replace faster his/her troop the coiner or the small league?


when he has 50 mil and i 2 mill who replace more troop whith the 90% free revive?


realy i feel they dont think us 


lord Sison all participants will have 90% of their losses restored once the event is over there is no faster or slower 

Yet you'd have to be first after the event ends to get your own beacon back. Just imagine the struggle to get it all back together as it was. Not only that, do you even get to revive the troops that are killed off in the struggle that comes afterwards, when the event has ended? Probably not, right? This is a poorly thought out event if that's how it is.
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