What's going on with the bot castles?

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Dilvish
5 September, 2016, 4:26 PM UTC

over the last several days, the output from sieging/fiefing a typical lvl 61 bot castle on Untamed Lands has been dropping daily.  It had been 400/hour, then 300, then 200, and now today a mere 100 per hour.  (If your active bot fiefs have not yet updated, they will once you collect from them). 

Even before this change the bots have been more and more likely to have been raided dry (or very low) lately, and if this fief change reflects the bot overall producing only 1/4th as much as it used to then even for raiding purposes they will be very poor.


Whatever Plarium's motives/intent with this change, it seems like it is a huge change that deserves some explanation.


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Oracle
5 September, 2016, 7:20 PM UTC

Yes, I have  noticed too, Now I have to spy to raid( something that was never necessary). The bot was always full. But plarium doesn't care they never care. If they look around the bot they will see  so many active players around, bot create conflict, conflict make people more active. 


if you compare the untamed land and the dark plains you will find that most cattle around active bot have better chance of going active till at least level 50+.  but when they are far away from the bots, they go inactive before level 15-.  


Plarium never cares, without active bot castles players will quit, or find other ways of getting resources. or just plain quit. with and emphasis on $$$$, it has become hard for new players to stay. without resources the Game is dead. unless if you can put in another currency ''Sapphires'' and coin. but that is too expensive for a level 1-15, or just plain useless.


Bot must be active, and make as many as 3 lines per 100 mils.  especially next to new players locations. 


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IronApex Turok
5 September, 2016, 7:42 PM UTC

the bots dont belong to plarium. they belong to hackers......



the problem has gotten so out of hand people just think they are part of the game now.



plarium never did anything to fix it, now any attempt to do so will look like plarium us punishing players. 
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brunsonthomas
5 September, 2016, 8:02 PM UTC
IronApex Turok said:

the bots dont belong to plarium. they belong to hackers......



the problem has gotten so out of hand people just think they are part of the game now.



plarium never did anything to fix it, now any attempt to do so will look like plarium us punishing players. 
It looks like someone has found bots and is trying to change things. If you siege a bot the output is approximately 1/4 what it was a few days ago, more in line with what a regular castle of the level would produce.
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IronApex Turok
5 September, 2016, 8:08 PM UTC

brunsonthomas said:


IronApex Turok said:


the bots dont belong to plarium. they belong to hackers......



the problem has gotten so out of hand people just think they are part of the game now.



plarium never did anything to fix it, now any attempt to do so will look like plarium us punishing players. 
It looks like someone has found bots and is trying to change things. If you siege a bot the output is approximately 1/4 what it was a few days ago, more in line with what a regular castle of the level would produce.

what do you mean a regular castle?


how is a "bot" castle not a regular castle.  what are hackers doing to increase production?
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Gadheras
5 September, 2016, 11:46 PM UTC
IronApex Turok said:

brunsonthomas said:


IronApex Turok said:


the bots dont belong to plarium. they belong to hackers......



the problem has gotten so out of hand people just think they are part of the game now.



plarium never did anything to fix it, now any attempt to do so will look like plarium us punishing players. 
It looks like someone has found bots and is trying to change things. If you siege a bot the output is approximately 1/4 what it was a few days ago, more in line with what a regular castle of the level would produce.

what do you mean a regular castle?


how is a "bot" castle not a regular castle.  what are hackers doing to increase production?
Most abused term of hacker ever. Someone that run a bot net for farming gold(rersources) to sell for rl money, is as old as the concept itself.  Its not HACKERS. Its just gold farmers enabled by Plarium, because its worth the while do for them. In sense of pay for those said resources as a player, Im quite sure they would enable ways that doesn't put you much at risk at all, paypal, whatever.
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Gadheras
5 September, 2016, 11:49 PM UTC
oracle said:

Yes, I have  noticed too, Now I have to spy to raid( something that was never necessary). The bot was always full. But plarium doesn't care they never care. If they look around the bot they will see  so many active players around, bot create conflict, conflict make people more active. 


if you compare the untamed land and the dark plains you will find that most cattle around active bot have better chance of going active till at least level 50+.  but when they are far away from the bots, they go inactive before level 15-.  


Plarium never cares, without active bot castles players will quit, or find other ways of getting resources. or just plain quit. with and emphasis on $$$$, it has become hard for new players to stay. without resources the Game is dead. unless if you can put in another currency ''Sapphires'' and coin. but that is too expensive for a level 1-15, or just plain useless.


Bot must be active, and make as many as 3 lines per 100 mils.  especially next to new players locations. 


You Sir, is an dimwit!  Shutting down the bot castles so they doesn't yield max resources as any active player would if you raided him/her, is the best thing they done in for like forever (if they have).  Raid other players that is active, balls to the walls, you know. gameplay? EVen Plarium try to make their best for Stormfall to be a medieval farmville, we not quite there yet.
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Snowgoon
6 September, 2016, 12:37 AM UTC

oracle said:


Yes, I have  noticed too, Now I have to spy to raid( something that was never necessary). The bot was always full. But plarium doesn't care they never care. If they look around the bot they will see  so many active players around, bot create conflict, conflict make people more active. 


if you compare the untamed land and the dark plains you will find that most cattle around active bot have better chance of going active till at least level 50+.  but when they are far away from the bots, they go inactive before level 15-.  


Plarium never cares, without active bot castles players will quit, or find other ways of getting resources. or just plain quit. with and emphasis on $$$$, it has become hard for new players to stay. without resources the Game is dead. unless if you can put in another currency ''Sapphires'' and coin. but that is too expensive for a level 1-15, or just plain useless.


Bot must be active, and make as many as 3 lines per 100 mils.  especially next to new players locations. 


You should try playing on Facebook, Kabam or other servers - you would get torn apart in 5 minutes

This is supposed to be a war game and bot castles turn it into legoland - every bot castle should be removed and replaced with vacant lots, then players will be able to re-locate their castles and each league can work as a team
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IronApex Turok
6 September, 2016, 1:21 AM UTC

Snowgoon said:




You should try playing on Facebook, Kabam or other servers - you would get torn apart in 5 minutes

This is supposed to be a war game and bot castles turn it into legoland - every bot castle should be removed and replaced with vacant lots, then players will be able to re-locate their castles and each league can work as a team

or any real strategy game. 



anyone absent for 1 month should stop producing resources. 


as far as moving castles, i'd rather see Being able to build new castles, up to 5 per player. That way you can have a castle in each corner and the center of the map.  It'd make game play more exciting and give more real people to play against. 
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Alyona Kolomiitseva
Community Manager
6 September, 2016, 7:14 AM UTC

I don;t know what happened to those Castles. Any ideas?

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Sifr
6 September, 2016, 1:17 PM UTC
I don't have any siege on bots castle but from what I read here it seems the bots got inactive. If you siege an active player it can net around 400 (I think?) per hour while inactive (long ago) will net 100. Either the bots got bored or plarium did something to the bots.
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Oracle
6 September, 2016, 2:56 PM UTC

I realize what bot are, and how they function. But these game is not a strategy game and definitely not an RPG game. Bot make it, a little bit fair. it made things a little bit sane. When you play a game were money is a factor and were the real effect and sweat that come with planning mean nothing. We get to play with players that are mostly from the USA. even though we can both be student but the mere fact that He/She can buy as many at ten times the rate that i get to pay with make things unfair. Sapphires price are ridiculous expensive for anyone we is not from Europe or from USA, and since Plarium have decided that $$$ is the way to go, there is no fixing these. 


I can bet you anyone that most players who win tournament are either from USA, Europe or just mad rich. none/ few of them understand the mechanics or anything to do with the game. they are just players who get most fun out of the game by, being born in those countries. By taking the price away Plarium will be a fun and a fair game. 

Bots not the hackers behind the bots have made things better. they have balanced the game and make it more playable for other ''UNable to coin players'' that these game have been designed against. 

The thesis that bot kill game play is just a bare assertion fallacy. there is no prove that these is a case. Eve, although the dynamics and mechanics of Eve are way to different to stormfall, have functioned for many years with Farmers, and although farmers are BAD, and should not be allowed in such a game as stormfall the game mechanics and the time frame that it take to do anything on stormfall make it impossible for a farmer to function. And I must include farmers are not BOTS. bot are different they just sit on the map and produce resources. weather someone sell from these castles, that I have not heard of. although I had an offer of resources from a non bot cattle.  


And please don't lecture me about exchange rates( I am a first witness on how they are used and were used to destroy Zimbabwe) or Kabam I have played there  most beacon are empty, players are way to dump they don't know anything beyond Hello and HI. although the prices are fairer there, 
 
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brunsonthomas
6 September, 2016, 3:06 PM UTC
IronApex Turok said:

brunsonthomas said:


IronApex Turok said:


the bots dont belong to plarium. they belong to hackers......



the problem has gotten so out of hand people just think they are part of the game now.



plarium never did anything to fix it, now any attempt to do so will look like plarium us punishing players. 
It looks like someone has found bots and is trying to change things. If you siege a bot the output is approximately 1/4 what it was a few days ago, more in line with what a regular castle of the level would produce.

what do you mean a regular castle?


how is a "bot" castle not a regular castle.  what are hackers doing to increase production?
First of all to get that kind of production you need to upgrade all resource buildings and storage buildings with sketches. Second who names themselves with random numbers and letters. Normal castles do not get far enough to purchase sketches in the amounts necessary to perform these upgrades.
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Oracle
6 September, 2016, 4:01 PM UTC

brunsonthomas said:


''First of all to get that kind of production you need to upgrade all resource buildings and storage buildings with sketches. Second who names themselves with random numbers and letters. Normal castles do not get far enough to purchase sketches in the amounts necessary to perform these upgrades.''

YOU ANSWERED NOTHING. IS BEST IF YOU DIDN'T SAY ANYHTING. ANSWER SIMPLY 2 QUESTION POSTED


1 How do you deferrentiate a bot to a non bot cattle. e,g what is a bot, what do bot do, what is a regury/ non bot cattle

2 what mechanics does bot operators use to produce  resources . SO what do they use? I Am not the one who said they use some mechanics, cheat ect. you said it. So what is it

a cattle at 100% production can't operate like those cattle, or the way you say they operate, its just beat the maths.
 
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IronApex Turok
6 September, 2016, 5:57 PM UTC
It's like BrunsonThomas is talking about another game sometimes. 
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Gadheras
6 September, 2016, 8:25 PM UTC

oracle said:


I realize what bot are, and how they function. But these game is not a strategy game and definitely not an RPG game. Bot make it, a little bit fair. it made things a little bit sane. When you play a game were money is a factor and were the real effect and sweat that come with planning mean nothing. We get to play with players that are mostly from the USA. even though we can both be student but the mere fact that He/She can buy as many at ten times the rate that i get to pay with make things unfair. Sapphires price are ridiculous expensive for anyone we is not from Europe or from USA, and since Plarium have decided that $$$ is the way to go, there is no fixing these. 


I can bet you anyone that most players who win tournament are either from USA, Europe or just mad rich. none/ few of them understand the mechanics or anything to do with the game. they are just players who get most fun out of the game by, being born in those countries. By taking the price away Plarium will be a fun and a fair game. 

Bots not the hackers behind the bots have made things better. they have balanced the game and make it more playable for other ''UNable to coin players'' that these game have been designed against. 

The thesis that bot kill game play is just a bare assertion fallacy. there is no prove that these is a case. Eve, although the dynamics and mechanics of Eve are way to different to stormfall, have functioned for many years with Farmers, and although farmers are BAD, and should not be allowed in such a game as stormfall the game mechanics and the time frame that it take to do anything on stormfall make it impossible for a farmer to function. And I must include farmers are not BOTS. bot are different they just sit on the map and produce resources. weather someone sell from these castles, that I have not heard of. although I had an offer of resources from a non bot cattle.  


And please don't lecture me about exchange rates( I am a first witness on how they are used and were used to destroy Zimbabwe) or Kabam I have played there  most beacon are empty, players are way to dump they don't know anything beyond Hello and HI. although the prices are fairer there, 
 

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M'kay, once more... There is no HACKERS running these bot castles. All that is needed to create a bot farm is to a) register a whole bunch of accounts b) have automated software that run the entire thing. No hacking involved. And even scare tactics is used to claim these hackers etc doesn't make it so. Plarium got no interest in players make use of such, and of course want to scare players from use them. This is a presistant problem, because, take 1 down, 2 more pop up, and it does because Plarium is a enabler to the problem and create a market for it. 


The farmers start spam other players about selling resources and scroll at "cheap" rates. The term is gold sellers and most mmo's have them at some level or the other. They have no interest in hack players to make a short time gain if they can get a lot of customers over time.


You can see a documentary about gold farming here @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3cmCKjPLR8


Also you single out US and Euro players as rich to spend tons of this game, and its unfair because you can't. Well there is those that spend a lot yeah and then there is those that don't. I'm of the later, and I don't because this game just doesn't deserve the level of cash it ask for. and because I'm not MAD rich as you say.


And don't even start go on about farmers is okay in EVE. Because it ain't. All "real money trading" in EVE is frown uppon and players found to take part get banned. I been playing EVE ever since the beta, and still is. What EVE does is allow players to have multiple accounts. You mad at people that can run multiple accounts there too when you can just afford one? They also made new rules regarding use of such software as ISBOXER in EVE as well, and any form of automated process bot programs is not allowed.


Have these bot castles in Plarium to give up a lot of free resources is not a blessing to the players. If you want resources go raid other active players and get some pvp points at same time. Why should someone that is close to these bots be more entitled to free resources than those far from them? Don't you see this create a inbalance? At the same time, we also got single players that run a lot of castles automated to act like feeders for their main castle. Their alt castles act like places to earn pvp points, spy farms and so on. All this is something Plarium seems very reluctant to deal with. Its always "report it"..... but for over a year now I still got the same bot neighbours around me. I can hit them for cheap pvp points, and resources. just because... they are there. It doesn't make it the right thing to do.



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Alyona Kolomiitseva
Community Manager
7 September, 2016, 8:09 AM UTC

Gadheras said:

Have these bot castles in Plarium to give up a lot of free resources is not a blessing to the players. If you want resources go raid other active players and get some pvp points at same time. Why should someone that is close to these bots be more entitled to free resources than those far from them? Don't you see this create a inbalance? At the same time, we also got single players that run a lot of castles automated to act like feeders for their main castle. Their alt castles act like places to earn pvp points, spy farms and so on. All this is something Plarium seems very reluctant to deal with. Its always "report it"..... but for over a year now I still got the same bot neighbours around me. I can hit them for cheap pvp points, and resources. just because... they are there. It doesn't make it the right thing to do.

Many factors should be considered. If we remove those Bot Castles, many players who use them as farms will start complaining. So it's not the best option. 

And yes, I would say "report it" as many times as it takes, because there is a certain workflow for such cases. You need to report them to Support, they need to check your information and decide what to do next.
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Stormfall
7 September, 2016, 9:12 AM UTC

@Gadheras

How do you expect lower level players to grow if you remove bot lines? They gonna raid you or other level 80+ players for resources? Whats the difference between bot castle and castle inactive for a month or the one you are raiding? Because I assume you dont raid bot lines. Those "hackers" was the best thing that happend to Plarium in my opinion. Without bot lines I would have quit after the first week of playing when I found out how much p2w content is in this game.

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Sifr
7 September, 2016, 10:03 AM UTC
Have these bot castles in Plarium to give up a lot of free resources is not a blessing to the players. If you want resources go raid other active players and get some pvp points at same time.

Raiding active players will make you lose more than what you gain. Not to mention it will create hostilities. As a no coiner who raid everyday, without inactive castles all around me, it'll be next to impossible to build troops.

 Why should someone that is close to these bots be more entitled to free resources than those far from them? 

Actually most bot lines are on the outer rim of the map. What I know of are 1730, 1910, and 2100-2125 (the last one is too far for me). And maybe there are more. It can be useful for those new guys. As for the old guys who are on the inside rim, they can use gate of precision to move if they want.

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Gadheras
7 September, 2016, 11:23 AM UTC
Alyona Kolomiitseva said:

Gadheras said:

Have these bot castles in Plarium to give up a lot of free resources is not a blessing to the players. If you want resources go raid other active players and get some pvp points at same time. Why should someone that is close to these bots be more entitled to free resources than those far from them? Don't you see this create a inbalance? At the same time, we also got single players that run a lot of castles automated to act like feeders for their main castle. Their alt castles act like places to earn pvp points, spy farms and so on. All this is something Plarium seems very reluctant to deal with. Its always "report it"..... but for over a year now I still got the same bot neighbours around me. I can hit them for cheap pvp points, and resources. just because... they are there. It doesn't make it the right thing to do.

Many factors should be considered. If we remove those Bot Castles, many players who use them as farms will start complaining. So it's not the best option. 

And yes, I would say "report it" as many times as it takes, because there is a certain workflow for such cases. You need to report them to Support, they need to check your information and decide what to do next.
You either level the playing field, or you don't. Because of the distance to things, you are giving some players a free lunch, while others can't, and that is the big crux here. It also means Stormfall lacks proper content for players. When bots used for gold farming is considered content for your players. There is so muich wrong with that. Basicaly you saying "we need more bots to please our players".
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