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wow, i really do not know this game!

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nobody
30 July, 2016, 3:33 PM UTC

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defending yourself is even less valuable than i thought.  i have 11m offense and 8m defense with a month of ques building.  THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO VALUE IN ANY OF IT!

1. hamlets,  "pkers who don't want to go toe to toe with other pkers cried out for prey, plarium gave them hamlets.

2. pvp events became on average less valuable, including the 7th anniversary 15 day events, since they take the spot of a real event.

3. 50% offense and 50% defence for already overpowering players.

4. there is no value in defending yourself.

5. castle walls, and other improvements cannot be purchased with game resources such as x/x/x. the exception being immortals.

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i wasted one year, i will not waste another.

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Blasphemy
30 July, 2016, 5:17 PM UTC

if a pvp event is on then you will get credited on what you kill, doesn't mater offense or defense... 

defending or raiding 


not sure what the mod you speak of was aiming to say 
I am a daughter of a High King who is not moved by this world for my God is with me and goes before me, I do not fear because im his
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nobody
30 July, 2016, 5:26 PM UTC

they were stating that the reason why you don't get points for defeating other players troops while defending is that it is a tactic to combat players who use alts to send smaller amounts of troops against their main with a huge defense.

are you stating that:

1. this is not in effect during pvp events.

2. that there is an amount of troops sent that is large enough to cancel the effect.

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Blasphemy
30 July, 2016, 6:48 PM UTC

johanrayne said:


This post has been edited for writing falsified information.

im pretty sure she is defining the offense that was used to kill you defense in a battle, say someone sent 1k dragons at you,

it is calculated by what you lost on the battle and not what they lost, as the person whom hit you, their calculation would be on what offense they destroyed killing your defense.....


If you can direct me to the post she had mentioned this...

I can better understand .


But i do know you do get pvp points defending your self, that is the whole point in this game is the combat purpose 

take that away and then what purppose do any of us have 

I am a daughter of a High King who is not moved by this world for my God is with me and goes before me, I do not fear because im his
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nobody
30 July, 2016, 6:58 PM UTC

i brought the whole thread to the front by making a couple of posts in it, it is third in row at present. if you look at the last 2 posts i made in it. another player showed results from an attack, zero loss attacker gained 108 points, defender lost 97% of troops and gained 21 points.

the defender gained 21 points by losing, the attacker gained 108 points by not losing, but instead destroying.  if you have 1m defence and attacker has 1m offense. the defender gains points on their losses, while the attacker gains points by destroying, and the pvp points gained favors the attacker.

so at 1m defense you get no points if attacked by someone with 10k offense because you did not lose any troops, even tho you destroyed 10k worth of offence.

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nobody
30 July, 2016, 7:03 PM UTC

"that is the whole point in this game is the combat purpose

take that away and then what purppose do any of us have"



exactly

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nobody
30 July, 2016, 7:08 PM UTC
why are we penalized for having overwhelming defence is the topic
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Blasphemy
30 July, 2016, 7:27 PM UTC

johanrayne said:


why are we penalized for having overwhelming defence is the topic

ive seen it now, thank you,

 Im sided struck not understanding her at the moment, and there is a pretty big discussion over it already

now im confused why the same topic was put here that will only take on what is already talking about in another thread, 

now we will be talking about the same thing in two different threads about the same topic 





( *Side note* Aloyna  is a community manager of plarium she is not a MOD, Mods are volunteer players ) 

I am a daughter of a High King who is not moved by this world for my God is with me and goes before me, I do not fear because im his
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nobody
30 July, 2016, 7:40 PM UTC

my thread has to do with more than 1 subject.  initially in your post you stated that pvp points would be given based on enemy troops you destroy regardless of whether it was offense or defense.

in your second post you stated to the effect that defense gets their pvp points based on defensive losses. these 2 posts on the same day in the same thread.

this is not just a topic, it is a game mechanic, one in which you stated that if the mechanic does not function in a reasonable way, what purpose do we have in the game.

is this not the jist of what we have communicated?

maybe there needs to be more than 1 set of posts on the subject. you never know which one might bring more clarity
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Sifr
31 July, 2016, 1:17 AM UTC

johanrayne said:


i just read a post from a forum mod that you DO NOT GET PVP POINTS FOR DEFENDING YOURSELF BY KILLING OTHER PLAYERS TROOPS, YOU ONLY GET POINTS FOR LOSING YOUR OWN TROOPS!

This is actually not true. Depending on units affinity you may get more or less points. For example griffins are good to defend against beastiaries but not that good for infantries. 850 def to beasties, 400 def against infantries.


So if you put 100k def (numbers that appears on the bottom) in griffins against infantries you'll get less points than if you defend using demons with the same def points for example. That's because you killed less. 


However if your defense is too big compared to the ofens the defending party will get no point. Not sure about the comparison, maybe 5%? Like 5k ofens for 100k def? idk.


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nobody
31 July, 2016, 1:30 AM UTC

Sifr said:


johanrayne said:


This post has been edited for writing falsified information.

"This is actually not true. Depending on units affinity you may get more or less points. For example griffins are good to defend against beastiaries but not that good for infantries. 850 def to beasties, 400 def against infantries.


So if you put 100k def (numbers that appears on the bottom) in griffins against infantries you'll get less points than if you defend using demons with the same def points for example. That's because you killed less. 


However if your defense is too big compared to the ofens the defending party will get no point. Not sure about the comparison, maybe 5%? Like 5k ofens for 100k def? idk."



so are you saying that community manager alyona was incorrect when they stated that when defending, you only get points for your lost troops and not troops of the attacker that you have killed?


more points or less points is irrelevant to the topic. the question is how can you not gain points on defense if you kill any significant number of attacking troops? "significant" simply being enough to register pvp points such as 2 pikes or whatever it takes.



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Sifr
31 July, 2016, 2:15 AM UTC

johanrayne said:


Sifr said:


johanrayne said:


This post has been edited for writing falsified information.

"This is actually not true. Depending on units affinity you may get more or less points. For example griffins are good to defend against beastiaries but not that good for infantries. 850 def to beasties, 400 def against infantries.


So if you put 100k def (numbers that appears on the bottom) in griffins against infantries you'll get less points than if you defend using demons with the same def points for example. That's because you killed less. 


However if your defense is too big compared to the ofens the defending party will get no point. Not sure about the comparison, maybe 5%? Like 5k ofens for 100k def? idk."



so are you saying that community manager alyona was incorrect when they stated that when defending, you only get points for your lost troops and not troops of the attacker that you have killed?


more points or less points is irrelevant to the topic. the question is how can you not gain points on defense if you kill any significant number of attacking troops? "significant" simply being enough to register pvp points such as 2 pikes or whatever it takes.

Yes, she was wrong.  And for why we don't get points for killing ofen while we have overwhelming defend is I don't know. "However if your defense is too big compared to the ofens the defending party will get no point. Not sure about the comparison, maybe 5%? Like 5k ofens for 100k def? idk."

That's a question for developer to anwer, I'm just a player who knows few things.


I put comparison on griffins and demons as an example as to why when defending some get more points, it's because of the units they kill. Demons will kill more infantries easily than griffins. So in my mind it's not very OOT.

Fighter Sifr of Fellowship
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djmoody
31 July, 2016, 3:18 AM UTC

johanrayne said:


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Just plain wrong. Have pointed this out before in a similar thread. There have been and will be in future mods who have very little understanding of the game. You are far better off listening to what the knowledgeable players tell you.

You get points for the troops you kill and part of the points from both sides are split between both players. If you have an overwhelming fight then the PvP points are factored down. At extremes you can get zero points from completely one sided fights. I am sure that is done to prevent alt abuse and bullying.

Everyone has a right to an opinion. No one has a right to their opinion being respected by other if it can't be backed up with rational and logic explanation
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Wolficus DEPLOYED
31 July, 2016, 4:36 AM UTC

DJmoody yesterday i had a league do nine attacks against my castle, yet they walked away with a ton of points and i hardly got any. They lost about 85-90% i lost 35%. But my defense is larger than my offense is. And to be frank it felt one sided on the points.

Me 390 pvp points

Them 4180
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IronApex Turok
31 July, 2016, 4:58 PM UTC
how do y ou know how many points they got?
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nobody
31 July, 2016, 5:10 PM UTC

djmoody said:


johanrayne said:


This post has been edited for writing inaccurate information.

"Just plain wrong. Have pointed this out before in a similar thread. There have been and will be in future mods who have very little understanding of the game. You are far better off listening to what the knowledgeable players tell you.

You get points for the troops you kill and part of the points from both sides are split between both players. If you have an overwhelming fight then the PvP points are factored down. At extremes you can get zero points from completely one sided fights. I am sure that is done to prevent alt abuse and bullying."
ok, so the community manager was wrong then.
you are stating that there is a manipulation to how many points you get, "a mystical esoteric rainbow arc" and if i don't guess with accuracy how many troops are being sent i can end up with no points.
in pirates a player attacked me with only 2 ship of the line and 1 bonnie. i put my defence out and killed the 2 ships and the bonnie. i lost 9 bonnies. i got zero points. i did not get points for killing the 2 ships.  i was 20 levels lower than the other player and in the game 2 months less than the other player. it was nice of plarium to protect the player who is 20 levels higher than me and in the game 2 months more than me and attacking my haven from my bullying of having my haven attacked.
i don't buy that it is to protect from bullying, bullies don't get attacked, they attack. is there a similar mystical magical arc that if you send 20m offense against 500k defense that the attacker "the victim" in this scenario also gets a manipulative penalty?
the manipulative penalty 100 attacking dragons vs. 100 dragons defending gets a 90/10 split in favor of the attacker doesn't make sense either. 100 dragons vs 100 dragons is fairly equal.
the title i used is that i don't know this game, why, because the development is absurd, and there are not good sources of info, not in wiki or you tube or player mods or plarium employees or other players.
100 different players say they have the secret to bgs. hearing what they say, they all seem to be leaving out a key ingredient. i suspect that key to be sapphires.  which are not a key within the gameplay.
i want to know how to play the game. for this i need actionable intell. so if you can answer a couple questions that would be great.
1. if i send defense with my offense on an attack, does the mystical esoteric rainbow manipulate so that my losses will actually be greater than if i send offense only? and the same thing while defending?  rational states that sending both makes your army stronger not weaker.
2. the same person stated that your big payout in bgs is based on the level of the bgs. such as level 25 =25%, level 99 = 99% and they stated that the best payouts are between levels 25 and 35.  say what? if the payouts are based on the level. you would never do any other bgs other than the skull runes until you get to level 99.
it is the absurdity of development and lack of of accessible actionable intelligence along with the future hassle of flash player. worst case scenario "yes i want to open this file" on every single action and report. do you know what the impact of flash on the future game will be? do you know if plarium is working on it, or at least studying it?

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nobody
1 August, 2016, 1:45 AM UTC

http://plarium.com/forum/en/stormfall-age-of-war/game-discussion/topics/why-are-we-penalized-for-having-overwhelming-defensive-troops-/1/#133903/


for continued discussion with djmoody:

if you go to this thread and go to tony hobson's second post, they show a zero loss attacker with 108 points and a defender with 21 points.

now in the actual factual manifestation of what happened the defender got 21 points without killing any troops.  are you stating that the points were redistributed from the offense's points. as part of the shared points you talked about. that on one end of the rainbow defense shares offense points for getting wiped out.  and that on the other end of the rainbow a defense gets no points for wiping out an attacker.  and that the mystical esoteric formula evens out at the 1/1 kdr point?

if not, then the points would have to come from the defense's losses.  i know most people don't believe that to be the case.

but a hypothetical based on assumption from the various things i have read and experienced, this is just a hypothetical for hypothetical's sake: could the mystical magical formula be that defense gets points for losing troops and offense gets points for destroying troops.  then as a second calculation the troops destroyed by the defense have a value and the troops lost by the attacker have a value. {yes they are the same troops, however, possibly separate values added together and then split between the 2 sides.

these are just ideas based on assumption.

edit: if i remember correctly, back when i started the game, a neighbor and i would send dragons to kill 40 archers on each others sieges between our 2 castles.  with 3 dragons we would kill 37 archers. this gave us 17 pvp points on offense and 3 pvp points on defense.  however if we sent 4 dragons, the result was zero points on defense.  so the defense pvp points would come not from the lost troops, but for the remaining troops.  thus gaining points without killing any troops. so the defender in hobson's post, most likely got points for the remaining troops, not the lost troops.

in any case i have received 2 pvp points by sending 2m power and killing 10 arches.  i also in pirates killed 2 troops the equivaent of wyverns with 300k power on defense and received zero points.

this only matters as far as pvp tournaments are concerned, otherwise, you are just glad to dominate.

and whatever the actual mechanic: the design seems to be if you want pvp points the best efficiency is supposedly a 1/1 kdr and and the more epic {more troops you lose the better}. idk if that suggests a higher bonus for higher losses or not.

i'll give this part of my post a rest. as i stated initially the new pvp rewards don't interest me any how, and i will no longer build in order to go toe to toe with a coin player thanks to the 50/50 boost. and defense still seems to be at a disadvantage, unfortunately defense is the stance i take.

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Nemanja
1 August, 2016, 11:45 AM UTC

Lord Johanrayne,

I've edited your post's cause they were containing  falsified information's. Since I haven't found anywhere Alyona's post you're referring to (neither in deleted posts and topics) hereby you're warned for posting falsified informations.

Nemanja
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Sifr
1 August, 2016, 12:51 PM UTC

Nemanja said:


Lord Johanrayne,

I've edited your post's cause they were containing  falsified information's. Since I haven't found anywhere Alyona's post you're referring to (neither in deleted posts and topics) hereby you're warned for posting falsified informations.

I think it's this one http://plarium.com/forum/en/stormfall-age-of-war/game-discussion/topics/why-are-we-penalized-for-having-overwhelming-defensive-troops-/1/#133162/

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:
Guys, if you are defending yourself, you get points for your lost Units, not for the Offense killed. Moreover, our game is not about local fights, it's about epic battles. the more the battle, the more points you gain 

Edit: Hmm, direct link to post fails. Well, it's on the first page anyway.

Fighter Sifr of Fellowship
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nobody
1 August, 2016, 3:19 PM UTC

Nemanja said:


Lord Johanrayne,

I've edited your post's cause they were containing  falsified information's. Since I haven't found anywhere Alyona's post you're referring to (neither in deleted posts and topics) hereby you're warned for posting falsified informations.

i see that you deleted # 6 on my first post, therefore are you stating that:

1. browsers are not fazing out flash drive.

2. that you do not need flash drive to play this game.

3. that the fazing out of flash drive will have no negative effect on this game.

4. that plarium has any issues that will arise under control.


thank you for your confirmation on the topic


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