Bonuses gained cannot be felt during gameplay

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antonio.ooi
26 June, 2016, 10:10 AM UTC

I used to be an active Soldiers Inc player, after stopping for quite a long while, I went back to Plarium game and this time Stormfall.


I noticed two major new features here:

  1. Hero's equipment bonuses
  2. Dragon Art's bonuses

Despite completing lots of upgrade for the above, such bonuses don't seem to be mentally felt and visually seen -- perhaps not so significant, even with the 27% increment of infantry offensive power. Activated dragon arts, 3 slots concurrently, but none of them can be felt during gameplay. I was wondering about two possibilities here:

  1. Have the bonuses been calculated correctly by the devs and truly applied to player's activities when activated?
  2. Or they're still so insignificant for the players to feel their effects -- Is there a way to visually improve it so that those bonuses can be appreciated by the players?

In Stormfall, so many new features available that add bonuses, mostly stackable, but why we can't feel anything "powerful"? Still the same death number for infantry while in battleground. I'm not sure if those bonuses even worth upgrading.


So my suggestion here is: Is there a way to improve the visual effects of such bonuses when they're in action? Or the dev should really look into the effectiveness of such bonuses? Let me know if I have overlooked anything, thanks.


EDIT #1: Example for Visually Seen Construction Speed Bonus

At the Farm Info Page, show something like this:

Upgrade Time: 1 hour

Lost Art Bonus: (None)

Dragon Art Bonus: +7%

Obelisk Bonus: (None)

Actual Upgrade Time: 55m 8s

[ Upgrade ] <-- Upgrade button here.

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antonio.ooi
26 June, 2016, 2:37 PM UTC

So basically, try to provide a consolidated overview of all related bonuses to every single unit / building / mission:


For example, on every military unit's info page:

  • Lost Art Bonus (+?%, +value)
  • Dragon Art Bonus (+?%, +value)
  • Obelisk Bonus (+?%, +value)
  • Hero Equipment Bonus (+?%, +value)
  • Temple of War Bonus (+?%, +value)
  • Sanctum of Shards Bonus (+?%, +value)

  • Total Defense Bonus:  (+value)
  • Total Offense Bonus:  (+value)

The same goes to construction speed, production speed, training speedmovement speed and so on, whichever screen that involved and can be enhanced with such information.

Another best way to graphically express the RESULT of such bonuses is to use the BEFORE and AFTER bar, something like the speed booster bar for the travelling troops, that would significantly improve the visibility and transparency of the game. Then people will have a better idea where their gaming efforts go and what are they doing on the game -- time worth spent.

Helping on Bonuses Discovery

The above idea also helps on related bonuses discovery by placing a link on each bonus name that leads the player to particular upgrade page, e.g. Obelisk. When I see my Sanctum of Shards bonus is 0%, that should remind me to activate it, combine the crystals etc. by simply click on the link -- that should be great.

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Alyona Kolomiitseva
Community Manager
27 June, 2016, 12:49 PM UTC

Unfortunately, we are not planning to add more information on Bonuses or show the exact calculations. You need to discover all formulas by yourself. 

I can ensure you that all Bonuses are applied correctly.
Plarium Community Manager. Please note that I will be unable to respond to your private messages, review your tickets, or check your account information. All technical issues should be directed to our Support Team at plrm.me/Support_Plarium
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antonio.ooi
28 June, 2016, 10:52 AM UTC
Alyona Kolomiitseva said:

Unfortunately, we are not planning to add more information on Bonuses or show the exact calculations. You need to discover all formulas by yourself. 

I can ensure you that all Bonuses are applied correctly.
Then how do you plan to improve the transparency of the game? How do we know if you have applied or accidentally not applied the bonuses to the players' activities?
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Drogar61
28 June, 2016, 9:17 PM UTC

antonio.ooi said:


Alyona Kolomiitseva said:


Unfortunately, we are not planning to add more information on Bonuses or show the exact calculations. You need to discover all formulas by yourself. 

I can ensure you that all Bonuses are applied correctly.
Then how do you plan to improve the transparency of the game? How do we know if you have applied or accidentally not applied the bonuses to the players' activities?

You doubt Alyona's words? 

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Alyona Kolomiitseva
Community Manager
29 June, 2016, 1:45 PM UTC
antonio.ooi said:

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:

Unfortunately, we are not planning to add more information on Bonuses or show the exact calculations. You need to discover all formulas by yourself. 

I can ensure you that all Bonuses are applied correctly.
Then how do you plan to improve the transparency of the game? How do we know if you have applied or accidentally not applied the bonuses to the players' activities?
You need to explore it in the game, test it, and figure out how it works 
Plarium Community Manager. Please note that I will be unable to respond to your private messages, review your tickets, or check your account information. All technical issues should be directed to our Support Team at plrm.me/Support_Plarium
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Gadheras
29 June, 2016, 1:52 PM UTC

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:


antonio.ooi said:


Alyona Kolomiitseva said:


Unfortunately, we are not planning to add more information on Bonuses or show the exact calculations. You need to discover all formulas by yourself. 

I can ensure you that all Bonuses are applied correctly.
Then how do you plan to improve the transparency of the game? How do we know if you have applied or accidentally not applied the bonuses to the players' activities?
You need to explore it in the game, test it, and figure out how it works 

So calcuate, how much dmg a unit does with applied lost arts, then make the math and apply each bonus from any relic, dragon bonus, and so forth. and if the end number doesnt add up, then Plarium is a rotten egg?



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djmoody
5 July, 2016, 9:39 AM UTC

The bonuses are additive to the base value of the troops not cumulative/compounding on top of each other.

They are not:

base value * (1+ bonus 1) * (1+ bonus 2) * (1+ bonus 3)  i.e. cumulative/compounding

They are:

base value + (base value * bonus 1) + (base value * bonus 2) + (base value * bonus 3) i.e. the same as adding the bonus %'s up and then multiplying into the base value / addative

 
Everyone has a right to an opinion. No one has a right to their opinion being respected by other if it can't be backed up with rational and logic explanation
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wesleypringle1
5 July, 2016, 2:56 PM UTC
Alyona Kolomiitseva said:

Unfortunately, we are not planning to add more information on Bonuses or show the exact calculations. You need to discover all formulas by yourself. 

I can ensure you that all Bonuses are applied correctly.
Could it Be that the bonuses are non-existant and just a ploy to make people think they are improving the strength of their units? That's my guess because as it's stated when doing BGs and other attacks there is no discernible difference in the result as far as the amount of units killed on either side of the aisle mine or Bultar's  It's a sham that's why they will not be giving any more information about it !!!!!!
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antonio.ooi
6 July, 2016, 10:06 AM UTC
wesleypringle1 said:


Could it Be that the bonuses are non-existant and just a ploy to make people think they are improving the strength of their units? That's my guess because as it's stated when doing BGs and other attacks there is no discernible difference in the result as far as the amount of units killed on either side of the aisle mine or Bultar's  It's a sham that's why they will not be giving any more information about it !!!!!!
This is exactly what many are thinking when the bonuses added have not been transparent enough. If you total up all your bonuses gained (not multiplied but add up to the base value), it may look fantastic, but when you tested it on BG, you have no feel on that power at all -- still the same losses. Could it be that. while the bonuses have been added, they added more power to BG enemies as well? LOL.... If this is the case, then might as well don't give us with those bonuses! :D
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antonio.ooi
6 July, 2016, 10:07 AM UTC
djmoody said:

The bonuses are additive to the base value of the troops not cumulative/compounding on top of each other.

They are not:

base value * (1+ bonus 1) * (1+ bonus 2) * (1+ bonus 3)  i.e. cumulative/compounding

They are:

base value + (base value * bonus 1) + (base value * bonus 2) + (base value * bonus 3) i.e. the same as adding the bonus %'s up and then multiplying into the base value / addative

 
This one I know. :)
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