Question on Champions

3 Replies
agaghas
31 August, 2017, 7:25 AM UTC

Hi there,


I am hoping someone (maybe Plarium) can clarify exactly how champions work. Particularly, how champions influence the balance of defense against various types of offense.


Here is what I mean:


Mounted peltast base defense statistics:

* Defense vs Light: 400

* Defense vs Heavy: 500

* Defense vs Phalanx: 725 

* Defense vs Cavalry: 725

* Defense vs Average: 587.50


A war elephant grants a 410 bonus to a Mounted Peltast (or 70% bonus): 410 / 587.50 = 70%


NOW THE QUESTION IS, which one of the following is happening:


A: Mounted Peltast bonus from War Elephant (the bonus is added to each defense type):

* Defense vs Light: 410

* Defense vs Heavy: 410

* Defense vs Phalanx: 410

* Defense vs Cavalry: 410

* Average bonus: 410


OR:


B: Mounted Peltast bonus from War Elephant (the 70% bonus is applied to base value of each defense type):

* Defense vs Light: 400 * 70% = 279

* Defense vs Heavy: 500 * 70% = 349

* Defense vs Phalanx: 725 * 70% = 506

* Defense vs Cavalry: 725 * 70% = 506

* Average bonus: 410


If you respond to this point, can you please indicate how certain you are of your answer.


Thanks

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Xena
Moderator
31 August, 2017, 8:16 AM UTC

agaghas said:


Hi there,


I am hoping someone (maybe Plarium) can clarify exactly how champions work. Particularly, how champions influence the balance of defense against various types of offense.


Here is what I mean:


Mounted peltast base defense statistics:

* Defense vs Light: 400

* Defense vs Heavy: 500

* Defense vs Phalanx: 725 

* Defense vs Cavalry: 725

* Defense vs Average: 587.50


A war elephant grants a 410 bonus to a Mounted Peltast (or 70% bonus): 410 / 587.50 = 70%


NOW THE QUESTION IS, which one of the following is happening:


A: Mounted Peltast bonus from War Elephant (the bonus is added to each defense type):

* Defense vs Light: 410

* Defense vs Heavy: 410

* Defense vs Phalanx: 410

* Defense vs Cavalry: 410

* Average bonus: 410


OR:


B: Mounted Peltast bonus from War Elephant (the 70% bonus is applied to base value of each defense type):

* Defense vs Light: 400 * 70% = 279

* Defense vs Heavy: 500 * 70% = 349

* Defense vs Phalanx: 725 * 70% = 506

* Defense vs Cavalry: 725 * 70% = 506

* Average bonus: 410


If you respond to this point, can you please indicate how certain you are of your answer.


Thanks

Hello agaghas,

As far as I know all bonuses are added to the basic offense or defense of each unit not the total offense or defense!

I don't have an official answer though.

 I'm just saying what's being discussed between players! 

Warrior Princess
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The Irate Penguin
Moderator
31 August, 2017, 8:32 AM UTC

Gd mornin' Agaghas:

AFAIK Plarium has not published this detail, although I recall it being addressed in the forum a year or so ago. It would be a daunting task to extrapolate this information from any battle report, my own tentative impression is that it corresponds to the former of your two options.  

It seems reasonable, at least to me, that there is only one explanation why this value is not expressed as a percentage whereas building bonus, capital discipline, agreement upgrade and the rest of the lot are, but rather that this a fixed value added to each of the four class defences. 

How certain am I you ask? I suppose around 69.4% sure … but I'm not quite sure of that ;-). 

Cheers 
P.


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agaghas
31 August, 2017, 11:05 AM UTC

@Xena: I agree, but I think you misunderstood the question, or my explanation was poor.


@Penguin: Thanks, that is my guess too. I guess I can always do a somewhat expensive test to determine. However, going to hang on, perhaps someone who knows for sure responds.
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