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Persian positions AFTER big payout

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tagtrengfan87
3 June, 2016, 9:49 AM UTC

I recently ran through all persian positions through lvl 140 making the normal 10% on each position. With no offensive positions left, i went to the highest off i had which was lvl 69. I was rewarded with big payout of 1769 proms. I went back to lvl 30s def and have been going through them to where I am at now in lvl 40s. I have not once even come close to making back what i invested, consistently losing a ton of resources in defensive positions. 


Why are the positions now taking tons of resources from me? I defending the positions using very few units at a time like I am supposed to. 


Do i have to make up what i gained in the huge payout before i can start making my 10% payouts again?


Thank you to anyone that can help with this!
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Ritmas
5 June, 2016, 5:55 AM UTC

I just finished 140 too. Tried some lower ones and only lost troops. Asked around and was told that after you do lv 140 PP are over - not worth doing them any more.

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Prometheus
6 June, 2016, 8:36 PM UTC

Archons,


Sometimes it can take a while to full your bank or few times that has happened to me self, i overbanked and took me 13pp to get a payout!There is nothing for sure fighting the Persians. You will get back what you have spend eventually. 

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ONLINE.ALIEN
6 June, 2016, 10:25 PM UTC

Some advice needed, at the moment im grinding up positions getting the payout on quest. My questions:

1 Is it viable to just level up and do the quest and not go for a big payout. Not going for a big payout gives more smaller ones and u keep advancing faster. So u have steady income of units. Or is the big payout so beneficial that its smarter to stop and go for big payout.

2 How do u set up your payout, do u 1 bar the 5-6 highest levels or is it beneficial to attack like 30 lower level ones maybe getting more units. Not sure what the best way is. Not sure if alot of lower levels add up to be maybe more then a few higher ones.

3 After a big payout what do u do, do u keep advancing or do u try to kill off as many lower levels ones to also get some units there. And then move forward. thank you

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Ritmas
7 June, 2016, 2:47 AM UTC
Hackerista said:

Archons,


Sometimes it can take a while to full your bank or few times that has happened to me self, i overbanked and took me 13pp to get a payout!There is nothing for sure fighting the Persians. You will get back what you have spend eventually. 

After finishing level 140?
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Rob May
7 June, 2016, 3:11 AM UTC

what is your bank value at PP 140? should be around 200mil res, if u don't bank that much doubt u get reward before hand.


unless some partial like that 1700promachos

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ThatBloke
7 June, 2016, 12:22 PM UTC

Hello Archons,


Proof from experiments have now made clear there are separate banks.

By hitting lower levels, you're only paying bank a separante bank for a separate payout.

Banks are for a range of levels (for instance from levels 1 to 25, then levels 26 to 50, etc. : the exact borders are still to be determined precisely, though I'm starting to get more a precise idea since I got two full payouts in a row a couple of weeks ago, one below and one above level 50).


So if you're going to hit lower levels, it's perfectly fine, but if you're looking for a fast payout, avoid to scatter too much : stick to a close range of levels, and pay back the matching bank until you get the payout.


Never forget the payout value is only dependant on the level you hit, so once you think you're close from getting it, only hit the highest levels in the given range, or the payout value will be poor.


When you were playing in the levels 126 to 140 range, that most probably has its own bank, all the partials and the full payout you got have built your next bank, but of course, this bank is only for that range, so if you want another big payout there, you absolutely have to hit positions in the levels 126 to 140 range only.

Of course, I guess the amount to pay back is quite huge now, so yes, hitting lower levels is a good idea to get some troops without paying too much. 

Just don't forget your investment in the top levels doesn't count for the lower ones, as they have their own separate bank.


I pity the fool
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Prometheus
7 June, 2016, 2:44 PM UTC

Ritmas said:


Hackerista said:


Archons,


Sometimes it can take a while to full your bank or few times that has happened to me self, i overbanked and took me 13pp to get a payout!There is nothing for sure fighting the Persians. You will get back what you have spend eventually. 

After finishing level 140?

what TheBloke said is actually accurate :)

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KarlXII
8 June, 2016, 12:06 PM UTC

ThatBloke said:


Proof from experiments have now made clear there are separate banks.

Ok, so the new implemented reward system is such a minor change, that Plarium didn't think we needed the info about it??

The real proof is just that Plarium is trying to squeeze as much real money from ppl, now needing to revive their lost armies trying to get them back...



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Prometheus
8 June, 2016, 7:08 PM UTC

Archon, you only need to learn how to play persians properly. 

Persians need patience, a lot of patience and have a strategy and a lot of building.The second and fastest part is to spend money on reviving or buying troops which is totally up to you. You have gained a free way to gain troops with 0 cost.

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RIX
8 June, 2016, 10:05 PM UTC

I have absolutely positively found more banks than every 25 levels. There are also separate banks for defense and offense which I have proven.

If you can remove the mindset of basing Persians on troop strength and replace you entire thought process on Persian positions with strictly resources than you will get the big picture.

It's 10000000% based on resources that xerxes loans you!

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RIX
8 June, 2016, 10:48 PM UTC

Lets break it down. 

Here is bank loan of 202,805




So now I need to pay back 203,000 back in resources for my next payout which I calculated at killing off 650 Numidon Archers.  So now I will knock down enough positions down to 1 bar in the level 11-20 range without finishing them to cover the loan. 





Ok I have officially paid back the LOAN!!!  650ish Numidon Archers killed to cover the 203k resources borrowed and now I want offensive troops for the next loan so I will finish off with an offensive position. 

What the hell? Where is my payout?  Let's try another offensive position:

OK now I am getting pissed!!  Where is my bank loan????????????????? 

Wait a second... let me go back and finish one of the defensive positions I knocked down to 1 bar....

BINGO!!!!! There is my new loan!!! 231k in resources.


Proof that offense and defense banks are separate.  Criticism is always welcome :)

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Rob May
9 June, 2016, 12:58 AM UTC

thanks for visual I appreciate work you put in:)


but I don't agree on separate offense and defense bank, from like 2 years until as recently as about month ago it worked for me, to pick what troops I needed.


maybe small % must be put in to other type as well, but that's understandable, if u put for example 20mil res to offense and watch to cash out defense, you need like 1-2mil res to pour into def position to kill it off for reward(that's always worked for me) unless u have one weakened from before

btw to hide city cords from screenshot, its maybe easier to hide it via clicking eye beside X button in game than edit picture after, unless u fast with edit button :)

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RIX
9 June, 2016, 1:24 AM UTC

I completely forgot about the privacy tab !!! LOL  And as of right now, I am consistently getting a bank for both defense and offense separately. I have tried the method numerous times now and have also found many banks.  I put in hours of work daily to come up with these conclusions.  Maybe I am missing something?


I tested it with offense today.  I was ready for the payout and did 3 defensive positions just to be sure and they did not pay out.


***It may differ in the higher positions but level 30 and below I'm getting separate banks***

My work is done and back to the uppers. I think the banks are much tighter up there than the suggested 50-75 and 76-105 but to me it doesn't matter, I took the time to thoroughly learn positions on a smaller scale and understand how it has everything to do with resources that I am now ready to play in the uppers again. 
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Kakos
9 June, 2016, 4:40 AM UTC
Where exactly is the "proof" that the bank is based in resources in all these, may I ask?
Vae victis
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RIX
9 June, 2016, 10:12 AM UTC
Kakos said:

Where exactly is the "proof" that the bank is based in resources in all these, may I ask?
You get resources in the payout and your troops cost resources to build.  Calculating your next payout is almost impossible using troops strength and simple using resources. :)
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Kakos
9 June, 2016, 12:48 PM UTC

Hi Rix, I made some calculations based on your screenshots, lets see how they pan out.. :-)

I believe that there is a correlation between resources and hit points and that they can be used interchangeably. 


Lets take your first point about "You get resources in the payout and your troops cost resources to build".

(Or they might cost drachmas or come free from tournaments or quests.. but lets don't go there..)

Your said your loan was 203k, I make it out ~228k, but no matter.

You used 749 Numidians (not 650ish) at a cost of 389 480 in resources.

You got a payout of 66 Thureos = 330 000+ 300 in resources.

You are now in the red for 59 180 or ~16% in resources.

I don't think that is how a bank is supposed to work.. one is supposed to get back all deposits PLUS interest.


Lets take your second point that "Calculating your next payout is almost impossible using troops strength and simple using resources. :)"



You used 749 Numidians worth ~22.4k BHP (Base Hit Pints= the starting strength of a unit before any upgrades).

You got back 66 Thureos worth  ~26.4 BHP.

You got back from the bank all your deposits PLUS ~20% interest.


If my calculations are correct, which method do you think would be easier to calculate a PP payout?

Vae victis
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RIX
9 June, 2016, 5:11 PM UTC

I know I over compensated on the Archers because I was experimenting with seeing if there were separate banks. 

and for my initial loan:

24 Mounted Pelts = 124,800


4 Macs = 60,800

Resources= 17,205

Total warehouse 202,805  I'm an auto mechanic not a scientist or engineer so let's say 203k.


Now maybe my resource calculators are wrong but I'm using that Spartan blogspot one?


And now I am guessing that your initial question was a leading one. You an attorney?

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Rob May
9 June, 2016, 5:31 PM UTC

resource method is widely accepted among players for years, across all plarium games not only Sparta. IF its stats based then non upgraded units would yield smaller payouts and losses, and 50% boost and maxed out troops would be yielding high profits, maybe doubling army every 2-3days?


as far as I know none of them applies, so resource method seems to be one in works.


separate banks per level ranges, are very bad thing, more they are worse for us.


unfortunately there is nobody to ask about it except plarium, players who play positions 24/7 usually don't know much about them at all. only that they notice some separate banks along way, but almost none of them keep track of resources or collect any data whatsoever, they just "yolo" hit them in most cases and then brag about their rankings. (if some actually found out something useful, they certainly not telling to rest of community)

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RIX
9 June, 2016, 9:22 PM UTC
You are right, separate banks aren't a good thing.
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