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Feb 25, 2023, 21:5802/25/23
12/29/19
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Lots of new come to raid but not enough energy per bottle ?

Ok im excited about every thing new on the way to raid but all this stuff needs lots of energy!! Raid needs to change the amount of energy we get at level 100 cuz 300 here and there just wont be enough even for end game players my suggestion is at level 50 we should get 1000 and at level 100 sould get 2000 in order to do regular stuff and new ) Even for a end gamer like me will be impossible to do with out buying energy. Any thoughts ?

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Feb 25, 2023, 22:1402/25/23
06/25/20
6163

Hard pass. You really want those fusions to require 15k points for DD?

Feb 25, 2023, 22:5402/25/23
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kramaswamy.kr

Hard pass. You really want those fusions to require 15k points for DD?

I feel like that's a separate issue, they could raise the energy cap without taking it out on fusions. Besides, aren't they already increasing event requirements in fusions? 

Feb 25, 2023, 23:0402/25/23
12/29/19
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yea thats a mess idk what to say about that cuz i do go for all  fusions 

Feb 25, 2023, 23:5402/25/23
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Balltazer

I feel like that's a separate issue, they could raise the energy cap without taking it out on fusions. Besides, aren't they already increasing event requirements in fusions? 

No they wouldn't. That'd cost them money. 

Feb 26, 2023, 00:1202/26/23
02/11/21
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kramaswamy.kr

No they wouldn't. That'd cost them money. 

I can only speak for myself, but it is their refusal to work with the player base that is costing them money on my end. I've gone f2p a little while back, and I have no intention of spending any more money as long as they perceive a more enjoyable playtime for me as an affront to their bottom line. 

Sometimes you have to give up a little to gain a lot and not treat it like a zero-sum game. 

Feb 26, 2023, 00:4702/26/23
04/24/22
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I think they shouldnt change the energy limit . 

But i also think they should add in a little more energy gain on daily stuff , 1 more refills from doing X content , 50 more energy on another of the advance quest , 75 more energy from daily playtime rewards , etc . 

Those are random example but they yield just a little more energy to deal with all the current content without affectiong plariums wallet ... Stuff like removing energy cost from irontwin , sanddevil .. 


If they do ever raise the energy cap , i want it retroactive *evil* muahahahah ;P

Feb 26, 2023, 03:2302/26/23
12/29/19
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Lyryal

I think they shouldnt change the energy limit . 

But i also think they should add in a little more energy gain on daily stuff , 1 more refills from doing X content , 50 more energy on another of the advance quest , 75 more energy from daily playtime rewards , etc . 

Those are random example but they yield just a little more energy to deal with all the current content without affectiong plariums wallet ... Stuff like removing energy cost from irontwin , sanddevil .. 


If they do ever raise the energy cap , i want it retroactive *evil* muahahahah ;P

yea i agree 100% some thing needs to give!! they keep adding stuff thats cool but not to add energy is just foolish my op lol we need to buy energy all ready for frag champs and fussions and now this !!Never ending 

Feb 26, 2023, 14:3002/26/23
09/02/22
176

 Never going to happen... at least not to the extent the OP has requested.  

I'm curious where you came up with 300 energy per day? Last I checked it was 920 daily if you're at the energy cap of 130 (lvl 60+). This includes daily regen 480 (this is the max you can generate over 24 hours) + 440 from daily quests. You also receive an additional 130 from the free energy refill every other day in the shop. So on those days you can get a total of 1050 energy. 

Also, we need to make some clarifications because there are 2 different conversations going on here. I believe the OP is requesting additional ways to generate energy daily for free. I'm assuming they are referring to more energy rewards from quest / activities. 

The comments following the OP are referring to the energy CAP. First of all, there isn't an actual CAP on energy. As far as I know you can stockpile as much as you like. I have an old account that has 30K+
energy. If they are talking about the cap on natural energy regeneration, then increasing it beyond 480 would be useless to anyone who plays daily. 

What I believe these people are actually asking for is an increase in the natural energy regeneration rate. This would be the most beneficial to players as it would provide a higher consistent stream of energy.  

That being said, you pretty much killed your own post when you stated, "Even for a end gamer like me will be impossible to do without buying energy." <--- Plarium is never going to assist players with NOT spending money in their game.  

Feb 26, 2023, 17:5002/26/23
06/25/20
6163

So - how do you propose they refit full energy refills without breaking events/etc?

Feb 26, 2023, 18:2402/26/23
12/29/19
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Kankle69

 Never going to happen... at least not to the extent the OP has requested.  

I'm curious where you came up with 300 energy per day? Last I checked it was 920 daily if you're at the energy cap of 130 (lvl 60+). This includes daily regen 480 (this is the max you can generate over 24 hours) + 440 from daily quests. You also receive an additional 130 from the free energy refill every other day in the shop. So on those days you can get a total of 1050 energy. 

Also, we need to make some clarifications because there are 2 different conversations going on here. I believe the OP is requesting additional ways to generate energy daily for free. I'm assuming they are referring to more energy rewards from quest / activities. 

The comments following the OP are referring to the energy CAP. First of all, there isn't an actual CAP on energy. As far as I know you can stockpile as much as you like. I have an old account that has 30K+
energy. If they are talking about the cap on natural energy regeneration, then increasing it beyond 480 would be useless to anyone who plays daily. 

What I believe these people are actually asking for is an increase in the natural energy regeneration rate. This would be the most beneficial to players as it would provide a higher consistent stream of energy.  

That being said, you pretty much killed your own post when you stated, "Even for a end gamer like me will be impossible to do without buying energy." <--- Plarium is never going to assist players with NOT spending money in their game.  

this is what im talking about the cap is 300 per bottle we need way more !!

Feb 26, 2023, 18:2502/26/23
Feb 26, 2023, 18:27(edited)
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kramaswamy.kr

So - how do you propose they refit full energy refills without breaking events/etc?

if u get 1000 or 2000 per bottle events and stuff will be way easy 

Feb 26, 2023, 18:5502/26/23
09/02/22
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killerclone187

this is what im talking about the cap is 300 per bottle we need way more !!

I'm still confused. 

There is no cap on energy. You can get as much as you want because there is no limit to how much energy you can obtain or even store on your account. Like I said, I have an old account that has 30K+ energy.

You can purchase as many energy refills as you want for 40 gems in the shop.

You can purchase straight gem packs in the bank and convert those gems to energy. 

You can purchase silver packs in the shop. These come with gems and energy.

There are constant pop-ups offering energy for sale. The more packs you purchase the more offers you receieve.

Feb 26, 2023, 23:1502/26/23
02/11/21
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Kankle69

I'm still confused. 

There is no cap on energy. You can get as much as you want because there is no limit to how much energy you can obtain or even store on your account. Like I said, I have an old account that has 30K+ energy.

You can purchase as many energy refills as you want for 40 gems in the shop.

You can purchase straight gem packs in the bank and convert those gems to energy. 

You can purchase silver packs in the shop. These come with gems and energy.

There are constant pop-ups offering energy for sale. The more packs you purchase the more offers you receieve.

There is a cap on energy you accumulate with time. If you're below 130 (i.e. if you play the game), energy refills itself by 1 unit every 3 mins. However, once you're over 130, you can only acquire energy by purchasing it (gems, money etc.). That has several issues:

1. 130 energy takes 6.5 hrs to refill. If you're out of the game for more than 6.5 hours, you're missing out on energy. 

2. Refill bottles give you energy to completely fill the gauge i.e. 130 energy. If you farm highest stages in a dungeon, that's 7 runs max. 

With the abysmally low drop rates and high energy costs, it looks an awful lot like Plarium "keeps the playerbase engaged" by slowing down their progress to a crawl. 

Feb 26, 2023, 23:2802/26/23
Feb 26, 2023, 23:28(edited)
02/11/21
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kramaswamy.kr

So - how do you propose they refit full energy refills without breaking events/etc?

Introduce different means of farming dungeons that are not in fusions: Iron Twins, Sand Devil Necropolis, Potion Keeps etc. That would be a start. 

Honestly, I dare them to increase point requirements. Right now, the main challenge in getting enough points for the fusion events is the timesink. So go ahead, raise it to 15K, see how many people do the fusion at all. 

Or...here's a crazy idea: raise the cap and don't touch the fusions requirements. Again, it's not a zero-sum game.


Feb 27, 2023, 00:1002/27/23
12/29/19
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Balltazer

Introduce different means of farming dungeons that are not in fusions: Iron Twins, Sand Devil Necropolis, Potion Keeps etc. That would be a start. 

Honestly, I dare them to increase point requirements. Right now, the main challenge in getting enough points for the fusion events is the timesink. So go ahead, raise it to 15K, see how many people do the fusion at all. 

Or...here's a crazy idea: raise the cap and don't touch the fusions requirements. Again, it's not a zero-sum game.


amen !! yup

Feb 27, 2023, 01:1102/27/23
06/25/20
6163
Balltazer

Introduce different means of farming dungeons that are not in fusions: Iron Twins, Sand Devil Necropolis, Potion Keeps etc. That would be a start. 

Honestly, I dare them to increase point requirements. Right now, the main challenge in getting enough points for the fusion events is the timesink. So go ahead, raise it to 15K, see how many people do the fusion at all. 

Or...here's a crazy idea: raise the cap and don't touch the fusions requirements. Again, it's not a zero-sum game.


You go ahead and try convincing a business that they should cut off some of their income because a bunch of FTP players are complaining about not enough energy.

Feb 27, 2023, 02:3802/27/23
02/11/21
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kramaswamy.kr

You go ahead and try convincing a business that they should cut off some of their income because a bunch of FTP players are complaining about not enough energy.

Come on, Krama, you can do better than that. I'm sure you can call them greedy without making it sound like it's a problem on the players' part. Right now, Plarium as a company looks a lot like a team of creative developers led by greedy executives. 

Let's be real, f2p has nothing to do with it. Truth of the matter is it's merely a part of a much bigger problem: they couldn't care less about their player base, f2p or whale, and that's what will drive more and more people to stop spending or playing altogether. They are treating this game like a cash cow while there is still a lot of potential for growth and innovation. When that happens, the business is dying. 

I've spent enough money on this game to know that they couldn't give a Gnishak's behind, whether you spend money or not, so let's not make it about f2ps begging for more free stuff. 

Feb 27, 2023, 13:0502/27/23
09/02/22
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kramaswamy.kr

You go ahead and try convincing a business that they should cut off some of their income because a bunch of FTP players are complaining about not enough energy.

 This was my point. While I would love to see more free energy (let's all be honest, that is essentially what the OP is requesting) no company is ever going to remove the need for you to spend money on their product. If we're going to ask for something, instead of more energy, I'd like a more reliable means of farming Legendary Books.

"Honestly, I dare them to increase point requirements. Right now, the main challenge in getting enough points for the fusion events is the time sink. So go ahead, raise it to 15K, see how many people do the fusion at all."  

They have... several times. It seems, at least to me, that the resource cost of each new fusion or guaranteed shard event has gradually increased. There are numerous videos and forum post discussing this.

The big issue I see is that people need to look at Raid in a different way. Raid is an online casino that targets the RPG community. While yes, technically it is an RPG game, at it's core it is an interactive slot machine. The beauty of Plarium's business model is that unlike a casino, they don't have to pay out real world money when the player wins.  

Feb 27, 2023, 15:1902/27/23
02/11/21
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Kankle69

 This was my point. While I would love to see more free energy (let's all be honest, that is essentially what the OP is requesting) no company is ever going to remove the need for you to spend money on their product. If we're going to ask for something, instead of more energy, I'd like a more reliable means of farming Legendary Books.

"Honestly, I dare them to increase point requirements. Right now, the main challenge in getting enough points for the fusion events is the time sink. So go ahead, raise it to 15K, see how many people do the fusion at all."  

They have... several times. It seems, at least to me, that the resource cost of each new fusion or guaranteed shard event has gradually increased. There are numerous videos and forum post discussing this.

The big issue I see is that people need to look at Raid in a different way. Raid is an online casino that targets the RPG community. While yes, technically it is an RPG game, at it's core it is an interactive slot machine. The beauty of Plarium's business model is that unlike a casino, they don't have to pay out real world money when the player wins.  

First of all, we're not asking for more free energy, we are asking for more storage for the enrgy that is already free. We're not asking them to adjust the rate at which it accumulates, only the amount we can accumulate. 

Secondly, I think you guys have a very myopic view of business strategy. 

"...no company is ever going to remove the need for you to spend money on their product."

From fortune cookies and Costco samples to free shipping, and in case of some gacha games, free pulls, companies absolutely "give stuff away". Even Raid gives away stuff just for logging in. Where is this notion that nickel-and-diming customers is "just business" coming from? 

Raid is like a casino because Plarium is owned by Aristocrat Leisure - a gambling machine manufacturer. Speaking of casinos, they give away free drinks when you gamble. You know why businesses give stuff away? Competition. Businesses who have competition need to either distinguish themselves from the rest or at the very least to keep up with the competition. 

So when Plarium won't budge on something as trivial as energy STORAGE, they are saying "screw you, you're not going anywhere". And frankly, I'm getting really close to being done with it. I could have bought over a  dozen PS5s with the money I spent on this game, so if you guys think I'll be guilt-tripped into feeling like I'm some moocher asking for more free stuff, you have another thing coming. 

Feb 27, 2023, 16:1402/27/23
09/02/22
176

 Dude, chill out. There is no reason to get hostile. No one "called" you anything. I was under the impression
that we were having a constructive conversation with conflicting viewpoints. Undoubtably that isn't what's happening, so I'm done with this conversation. 

Just an FYI though... if you are one of those people who wants to get angry / hostile when someone doesn't agree with you then these forums, and the internet for that matter, probably isn't the place for you.