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What's the point of random single champ arena def in Stoneskin?

What's the point of random single champ arena def in Stoneskin?

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Dec 2, 2022, 22:4812/02/22
10/15/20
2046

What's the point of random single champ arena def in Stoneskin?

I'm not talking about traps, with champs that could win from their armor set, like Stoneskin Gaius or even Stoneskin Paragon.

But I've met so many ultra slow (so their Stoneskin effect doesn't dissappear for a lot of attacker turns) random champs with absolutely no chance to win the fight or force a stalemate once the Stoneskin effect is gone. What's the point of this? The fight takes a minute for the attacker instead of 5 seconds, but the attacker allways wins. What does the defender get from this? Do they print the lists of people who attacked their arena def, put these lists as a wallpaper in their room and say "I've stolen hours of lifetime" with a diabolic grin?

Why would anybody who is not a complete [insert word the mod would edit anyway here] put an Armiger with a full Stoneskin set as arena def?

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Dec 2, 2022, 23:0412/02/22
02/11/21
932

Trolling.....in today's "Generation Degeneration", it is somehow perceived as a virtue of sorts. 

dthorne04Moderator
Dec 2, 2022, 23:3212/02/22
12/30/20
5462

Single Mortu defense enjoyer checking in: even I think this is dumb. 

Dec 3, 2022, 02:2312/03/22
06/20/19
2181

Question; what's stoneskin muahahaha!

Dec 3, 2022, 02:2812/03/22
Dec 3, 2022, 02:28(edited)
06/20/19
2181

Seriously  though I don't understand it as a strategy.  just no point to it.

Dec 3, 2022, 20:3812/03/22
04/06/22
143

I've seen a lot of... dumb strategies. 


I mean, putting Ninja, Ukko, or Arbiter alone? The best skills they have are worthless unless they're on a team, I don't see why anyone would put them alone.

Dec 3, 2022, 20:4412/03/22
10/15/20
2046
OccamsRazor

I've seen a lot of... dumb strategies. 


I mean, putting Ninja, Ukko, or Arbiter alone? The best skills they have are worthless unless they're on a team, I don't see why anyone would put them alone.

That's because the player doesn't want defensive victories, as the opponents in arena get stronger or at least seem to get stronger, the more arena points you have. Farming medals vs. super strong teams is hard, so you give away your defensive fights for free.

Basically the same as a single Armiger in Stoneskin, but the polite version, that doesn't take minutes for the attacker to win.

Dec 3, 2022, 21:0012/03/22
Dec 3, 2022, 21:00(edited)
04/06/22
143
Skadi

That's because the player doesn't want defensive victories, as the opponents in arena get stronger or at least seem to get stronger, the more arena points you have. Farming medals vs. super strong teams is hard, so you give away your defensive fights for free.

Basically the same as a single Armiger in Stoneskin, but the polite version, that doesn't take minutes for the attacker to win.

Really?

I'm lucky if I get one defensive victory a day, and it doesn't seem like they get any easier.


But thanks for the tip.

Apr 17, 2023, 19:0404/17/23
01/26/21
1

For me Stoneskin need a Nerf hard because is unplayble! Because u need champs 2 remove Stone skin ! ONLY have few champs doing that and its 50/50 to remove and you can resist! U dont take any damage on Stone skin cant put debuffs! For me have 100 chance remove but you can resist Its a good resulotion ! Its a build ONLY for tanks! Imagine on the future ! U ONLY see arena full Stone! Stone vs Stone -.-! Boring fights because if you dont remove you lose! No need strategy! Imagine some champs can solo full teams with Stone skin because if you fail remove with madame serris GG! 

dthorne04Moderator
Apr 17, 2023, 19:1104/17/23
12/30/20
5462
loladoborboleta

For me Stoneskin need a Nerf hard because is unplayble! Because u need champs 2 remove Stone skin ! ONLY have few champs doing that and its 50/50 to remove and you can resist! U dont take any damage on Stone skin cant put debuffs! For me have 100 chance remove but you can resist Its a good resulotion ! Its a build ONLY for tanks! Imagine on the future ! U ONLY see arena full Stone! Stone vs Stone -.-! Boring fights because if you dont remove you lose! No need strategy! Imagine some champs can solo full teams with Stone skin because if you fail remove with madame serris GG! 

Bombs, buff strippers, waiting out Stone Skin teams with better tanky teams...

Does Stone Skin slow down fights often? yes.

Does this mean there is no strategy? No. 

Apr 17, 2023, 21:4904/17/23
Apr 17, 2023, 21:50(edited)
10/15/20
2046

Does it mean the only effect Stone Skin has is lowering the fun of the players? Yes.


Things that would make Raid a better game: 

  1. remove Stone Skin
  2. remove the "defeat team of higher team power in arena" quest (has nothing to do with stone skin, but it's, beside this set, the second dumest thing in Raid)
dthorne04Moderator
Apr 17, 2023, 21:5404/17/23
Apr 17, 2023, 21:55(edited)
12/30/20
5462
Skadi

Does it mean the only effect Stone Skin has is lowering the fun of the players? Yes.


Things that would make Raid a better game: 

  1. remove Stone Skin
  2. remove the "defeat team of higher team power in arena" quest (has nothing to do with stone skin, but it's, beside this set, the second dumest thing in Raid)

the reality is a lot of folks will find something to complain about with regards to the meta and my advice will always be the same as it pertains to an existing meta, whether one likes it or not:

adapt or die

I know quite a few good players who've found ways to get around it, but whether one wants to or not themselves is another story

harleQuinnModerator
Apr 17, 2023, 22:3304/17/23
02/24/19
7316

I always just bring my bomb team to every single defense team.

Solves any issues right off the bat.

Apr 18, 2023, 02:1904/18/23
12/19/19
6034

I know for tag, many just leave their normal leads until the weekend.  And then put rest of defense back in friday/saturday.  I do this, though none currently have stoneskin, because there are no presets for defense and its one less thing i need to remeber.

But to complain that people arent setting weak enough defenses... lmao

harleQuinnModerator
Apr 18, 2023, 02:2004/18/23
02/24/19
7316
Trips

I know for tag, many just leave their normal leads until the weekend.  And then put rest of defense back in friday/saturday.  I do this, though none currently have stoneskin, because there are no presets for defense and its one less thing i need to remeber.

But to complain that people arent setting weak enough defenses... lmao

I DEMAND you make my free farming slightly easier, Plarium, since the other players are mean to me!

Apr 18, 2023, 07:1404/18/23
01/15/21
1137

Personally, i dont make a point of  a single stoneskin champ as defence, its just i delete most of my team and as all my base team tend to be in stoneskin the one i have left is in stoneskin.

If you see a single UDK and suspect its stoneskin just use a bomb champ?

Apr 19, 2023, 16:4004/19/23
604

LOL


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Apr 19, 2023, 17:0104/19/23
06/25/20
6268
Trevor Wilson

Personally, i dont make a point of  a single stoneskin champ as defence, its just i delete most of my team and as all my base team tend to be in stoneskin the one i have left is in stoneskin.

If you see a single UDK and suspect its stoneskin just use a bomb champ?

This exactly.

Apr 19, 2023, 20:3904/19/23
12/09/22
119
dthorne04

Bombs, buff strippers, waiting out Stone Skin teams with better tanky teams...

Does Stone Skin slow down fights often? yes.

Does this mean there is no strategy? No. 

I thought you couldnt remove stoneskin...i have shemnath, seer, pinthroy..a good amount of champs to remove buffs but never did. So now i see its just an accuracy problem

Apr 19, 2023, 21:3004/19/23
10/15/20
2046
Donvak

I thought you couldnt remove stoneskin...i have shemnath, seer, pinthroy..a good amount of champs to remove buffs but never did. So now i see its just an accuracy problem

In addition to the accuracy vs. res, there is a 50% chance that stoneskin gets not removed. In the end, Plarium is run by a casino company, so making the game a gambling opportunity is not surprising.

Apr 20, 2023, 16:0004/20/23
12/09/22
119
Skadi

In addition to the accuracy vs. res, there is a 50% chance that stoneskin gets not removed. In the end, Plarium is run by a casino company, so making the game a gambling opportunity is not surprising.

I guess rng f*cking hates me too hahahha