Rhonda to UDK counter is like ice versus fire. It's kinda a counter ... but not really. Just wrong affinity.

That's my mistake, I'm not using Ronda for spiders. I meant I'm saving Hoskarul summon for summon rush event. ☺️ So just looking for advice on how to fine tune udk, apo, geo, armiger, Madame serris for spiders 20

With more than 300 res, he shouldn't get any poisons, so I guess it's the hit damage from the Spiderlings that kills him.

I don't see any other solution than better equip. In my Spider 20, Drexthar is the tank, and it works with 53k hp, 4.8k def, 263 res. To achieve that much def, I use def% main stat boots on him instead of speed. Maybe a way to go for your UDK?

Correct, it's the hits getting through now, no poisons are landing, I think I just need to find the balance. Before I re-geared he was sitting at 4.5k def and 62k hp but died from poisons 😂 I've got hp% gloves (only 50% atm), res chest to hit the 300.. and 6* leg def% boots. I'm going to have to find a way to re-gear to balance out I think. I don't mind a few poisons coming through as long as I can withstand the hit damage 

At higher levels in Spider's Den, you want AOE HP burners. Do you have any? 

Also, Achak's passive synergizes well with HP burns, so might want to break him out. Achak is also great for controlling spiderlings with his freeze, although I wonder if UDK's decrease ATK might have Achak land HP Burns, instead. 

Geomancer strategy is quite similar to hp-burn on all Spiderlings. Geo burns the big Spider, the Spiderlings attack your team, Geo does his special counter attack to the queen.

Maybe you should try to get your Res from a banner? You don't need that much for stage 20. In my experience, dungeon level x 10 + a flat 50 (250 res for stage 20) is enough to resist most debuffs. And a single poison landing from time to time shouldn't kill him.

3535 def isn't enough.

This is my problem at the moment, I've got res chest and res banner equipped and they make up 144 of my res 😣I'm going to roll some defiant 5-6'is soon and hope for a def % chest with res substat with a double or trip roll into res (I really am clutching) 😂

Had to manual it so that apo actually bothered with healing when it was needed, but first 20 done at last ☺️ 

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Congrats. :)

Achak would be a pretty darn good option now and I think I'd prefer him to Madame. Perhaps that would be a bit of a nonbo with Geo, though.

Also, I'm not certain if Geo's AI got any better in this regard: but if you try to auto it and click the big spider while Auto is running, then Geo will only target the big spider with A2 and most importantly the A3. 

Is it enough to actually replace the HP burn strategy? If so, I guess just beefing up UDK should be enough. 

It works. Hp-burn is faster and on the long run Geo should be replaced. But for the first team that can kill Spider, Geo is good enough.

Learning something new every day. 

What a night, hit spiders 20

Just checked FK progression as well (which I was dreading, the last time I touched FK was a month ago and I could only just manual FK 14 in 12 minutes) 

But just hit FK 20 tonight as well, waves on auto and boss on manual, still a 10 min run but job done ☺️ 

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Congratulations. Two dungeons in one day. 👍

Thank you very much Skadi and thank you for your help also ☺️ No idea what to do on my account now to be completely honest 😂 I thought I was going to be a month away from hitting 20 on the both of them!