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Help me brainstorm a new arena team

Help me brainstorm a new arena team

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30 янв. 2023, 17:3530.01.23
25.06.20
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Help me brainstorm a new arena team

Got a few peeps sitting in my vault atm, that I think I could build into a reasonable team. The core will be:

  • Kymar - lead, aiming for around 260+ speed and 450+ acc
  • Tormin - main goal for him is just acc. probably will focus on just speed and acc, other stats are irrelevant
  • Valk - slowest on the team, though not a snail - probably 200ish speed, and just max DEF otherwise
  • Someone - who works best as a 4th here? I have a pretty wide range of choices to pick from, so I'm looking less for a specific champ, and more for a range of champs/archetypes to fit in

I'm also not *entirely* sure who I would use this team against - I'm thinking Yumeko / Warlord teams that I can't really easily deal with.

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30 янв. 2023, 21:1230.01.23
19.12.19
5935

What level tag? Not sure how going 2nd against warlord with those 3 is good? 


30 янв. 2023, 21:1830.01.23
30 янв. 2023, 21:18(отредактировано)
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Trips

What level tag? Not sure how going 2nd against warlord with those 3 is good? 


Specifically thinking that Warlord is usually paired with someone like Arbiter for a boost, which Tormin will lock out. Against slower Warlord teams, my Mithrala team does just fine.

And as for level, I guess Tag G3-4

30 янв. 2023, 21:1830.01.23
19.12.19
5935


Stoneskin high resistance kymar I think is the new build 


30 янв. 2023, 21:3530.01.23
11.02.21
932

What about Gliseah? She can help protect from the cooldown increase and have some synergy with Tormin. 

30 янв. 2023, 22:0330.01.23
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Balltazer

What about Gliseah? She can help protect from the cooldown increase and have some synergy with Tormin. 

Don't have her.

30 янв. 2023, 22:2030.01.23
30 янв. 2023, 22:21(отредактировано)
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kramaswamy.kr

Don't have her.

Gotcha. Maybe a high Accuracy Valk build can slow Warlord down or are you building her for damage?

EDIT: I guess if it's max def, you're building her for the shield. 

30 янв. 2023, 22:4530.01.23
19.12.19
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I think gilseah is useless, but tbh I am so far behind the current meta my teams may be working  :)

My strategy is terrible, but is as follows for picking fights.

1. Pick opponent where my nehk, duch, candy team is a sure win

2. Other two battles must give me an expected probability of 1 win. Rely on rng being in my favor to strip stoneskin and avoid sheep 🐑. So I use a combo of 2 kimi, 2 kymar, ramantu, mith, Lydia, Leo, astralon, gurgoh, ukko, warlord 

Nobody in stoneskin, no bomb squad, no cardinal team.

My overall win rate is lower than using 2 go 2nd grind teams but my average battle time is significantly faster.

Somehow I managed to stay in G4 this week at like 1050 points doing this.


30 янв. 2023, 23:5930.01.23
19.12.19
5935

I stand corrected on gilseah viability...


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dthorne04Moderator
31 янв. 2023, 00:4431.01.23
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Trips


Stoneskin high resistance kymar I think is the new build 


I haven't run into any but have seen a few of the builds...800+ res and somewhere in that 180 speed range...nasty nasty stuff 

31 янв. 2023, 00:5731.01.23
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dthorne04

I haven't run into any but have seen a few of the builds...800+ res and somewhere in that 180 speed range...nasty nasty stuff 

Some of the stoneskin builds are ridiculous, 300+ stoneskin kimi.... 800acc warlord...


31 янв. 2023, 03:4031.01.23
25.06.20
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Trips

Some of the stoneskin builds are ridiculous, 300+ stoneskin kimi.... 800acc warlord...


I gots me one of those :)

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31 янв. 2023, 03:5431.01.23
11.02.21
932

Hypothetical: could White Dryad Nia reset Kymar? 

Also, what if you used Ronda? Decent damage dealer with no accuracy Passive block. 

31 янв. 2023, 04:2531.01.23
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Balltazer

Hypothetical: could White Dryad Nia reset Kymar? 

Also, what if you used Ronda? Decent damage dealer with no accuracy Passive block. 

I don't think you're really following the intention of the team. The goal is essentially a lockdown. Ronda has no real purpose there. As for Nia, I don't have her, but no, to my knowledge you can't alter the cooldown of cooldown-decreasing moves, probably to avoid two Kymar's from just endlessly resetting their teams' moves.

31 янв. 2023, 04:5331.01.23
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kramaswamy.kr

I don't think you're really following the intention of the team. The goal is essentially a lockdown. Ronda has no real purpose there. As for Nia, I don't have her, but no, to my knowledge you can't alter the cooldown of cooldown-decreasing moves, probably to avoid two Kymar's from just endlessly resetting their teams' moves.

Lockdown as in full control? Tormin freezes, Kymar sleeps, Valk decreases TM kind of lockdown? What if you bring a cooldown increase champ of your own: like Basher or Alika? 

31 янв. 2023, 05:2431.01.23
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Balltazer

Lockdown as in full control? Tormin freezes, Kymar sleeps, Valk decreases TM kind of lockdown? What if you bring a cooldown increase champ of your own: like Basher or Alika? 

And Dark Elhains kill them all. :D

31 янв. 2023, 05:3431.01.23
11.02.21
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And Dark Elhains kill them all. :D

Pretty sure he's talking about offense team....in Gold tag. Never been to Gold tag, but I don't imagine there are many Dark Elhains there. 

harleQuinnModerator
1 фев. 2023, 18:2201.02.23
24.02.19
7188
kramaswamy.kr

Thoughts, @harleQuinn ?

Heya Krama. At a quick glance you're trying to deal with fast Yumeko and Warlord teams with that?

My honest opinion is that it seems rough, and here's why. Warlords and Yumekos are commonly now 350+ speed with 700 accuracy up in G3/G4. And lots of them are now wearing Untouchable too. So high resist, ignore debuffs, to deal with bombs.

Basically they can lock you out, circle back around, place block debuffs and shields, and lap your Tormin forever even WITH TM decrease. Some of the Warlord Speed teams are so fast that I Hegemon Evil Eye them with his A1, then they STILL jump my own Arbiter and Yumeko.

Gliseah isn't the worst idea to deal with this. She is starting to pop up as the speed on some of these champs gets insane. I've seen 420+ Siphis into 700 Acc Warlords that are faster than the fastest gear on my account. As the speeds continue to go up in response to the speed/bomb teams that are themselves in response to the super tank stoneskin teams, I think champs like Gliseah will see more play, even if it is only at most a 55% chance to resist the effects (with Sniper).

From your pic, that Kimi for example is nowhere near fast enough to just be a speed champ, and I don't think could debuff anyone on my slower teams even if she got her own Inc Acc. She'd need a 3% to even get the 50% to remove the stoneskin. I assume, with that resistance at 350, you have her geared for Hydra?

harleQuinnModerator
1 фев. 2023, 18:2301.02.23
24.02.19
7188

Would you mind posting or linking your roster, as well as letting me know what two teams you commonly use that you are "happy with" and when you use them?

harleQuinnModerator
1 фев. 2023, 18:3401.02.23
24.02.19
7188
Trips

I think gilseah is useless, but tbh I am so far behind the current meta my teams may be working  :)

My strategy is terrible, but is as follows for picking fights.

1. Pick opponent where my nehk, duch, candy team is a sure win

2. Other two battles must give me an expected probability of 1 win. Rely on rng being in my favor to strip stoneskin and avoid sheep 🐑. So I use a combo of 2 kimi, 2 kymar, ramantu, mith, Lydia, Leo, astralon, gurgoh, ukko, warlord 

Nobody in stoneskin, no bomb squad, no cardinal team.

My overall win rate is lower than using 2 go 2nd grind teams but my average battle time is significantly faster.

Somehow I managed to stay in G4 this week at like 1050 points doing this.


No bomb squad, no stoneskin is sweet. Impressive stuff to hang in G4 week to week with that. I'm having to be much more creative and use Quinnie's Patented Garbo Trick Teams to compete. Don't tell Tazer, he'd be mad. lmao

I am a bit jealous of your Candy, Nek, Kimi and Leo though. Tell me who you offered an infernal bargain to for Nek so I can try that too.