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Best blessing for Maneater for CB

Best blessing for Maneater for CB

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29 сент. 2022, 19:1629.09.22
06.08.20
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Best blessing for Maneater for CB

Hi everyone! 

Which blessing works best for Maneater? (Note: I do not want to give him the aura increasing blessing.)


Thanks!

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29 сент. 2022, 19:3229.09.22
25.06.20
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If you don't already have someone with Cruelty, take that. If you do, take Crushing Rend.

29 сент. 2022, 19:4129.09.22
06.08.20
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Thank you! 


For CB, is each "round" one turn? Or is the entire CB battle considered a single "round?"

29 сент. 2022, 19:4529.09.22
25.06.20
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E. Grey

Thank you! 


For CB, is each "round" one turn? Or is the entire CB battle considered a single "round?"

The latter. So yeah - Crushing Rend is only useful when fully maxed. If that's not something you can do, then go with Phantom Touch instead.

29 сент. 2022, 19:5529.09.22
06.08.20
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I will go with Cruelty then. Thanks for the advice!

harleQuinnModerator
29 сент. 2022, 19:5629.09.22
29 сент. 2022, 19:56(отредактировано)
24.02.19
7109

Cruelty for someone on the team, but after that it's Phantom Touch.

Crushing Rend is only useful at all at max awakening.

Hot take time. Dare I say that Cruelty isn't that terribly great in clan boss either, if you're only at 1-2 stars. I think Ultranightmare CB only has 1685 defense. That 5% isn't doing a lot, 1601 defense is not much of a change.

While on my Jintoro, he is triggering 69k Warmaster hits and 34k Phantom Touch hits on UNM CB. I think Seeker's Phantom hits are in the 27k range.

Basically I'm not super on the low star Cruelty train for CB either. :)

29 сент. 2022, 19:5829.09.22
25.06.20
6076

Very specific to an ATK-based champ though, Quinn. Not sure if ME is going to have enough ATK to get those same benefits.

harleQuinnModerator
29 сент. 2022, 20:0429.09.22
29 сент. 2022, 20:07(отредактировано)
24.02.19
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kramaswamy.kr

Very specific to an ATK-based champ though, Quinn. Not sure if ME is going to have enough ATK to get those same benefits.

It's a good thing that MEs damage is based off attack then, isn't it? Seems like Phantom Touch works perfectly here.

It's definitely better than removing a total  84 defense for the fight, even if someone has a lower attack Maneater build cause they were struggling for speeds or such.

29 сент. 2022, 20:0629.09.22
25.06.20
6076

Oh I get that - I more meant that most people, especially those who don't have high-end gear, tend to just get their ME's to the right speed breakpoints, and don't necessarily have the room to get them into decent damage gear.

I'd argue that an ME with ~2.5K ATK is not going to contribute as much to the overall team damage with Phantom Touch as he will to the team damage from Cruelty. But I'd definitely love to see a more in-depth analysis on it.

harleQuinnModerator
29 сент. 2022, 20:1029.09.22
29 сент. 2022, 20:11(отредактировано)
24.02.19
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kramaswamy.kr

Oh I get that - I more meant that most people, especially those who don't have high-end gear, tend to just get their ME's to the right speed breakpoints, and don't necessarily have the room to get them into decent damage gear.

I'd argue that an ME with ~2.5K ATK is not going to contribute as much to the overall team damage with Phantom Touch as he will to the team damage from Cruelty. But I'd definitely love to see a more in-depth analysis on it.


It's 84 defense Kram. What more in depth analysis do you need? 😂

dthorne04Moderator
29 сент. 2022, 20:1329.09.22
29 сент. 2022, 20:13(отредактировано)
30.12.20
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kramaswamy.kr

Oh I get that - I more meant that most people, especially those who don't have high-end gear, tend to just get their ME's to the right speed breakpoints, and don't necessarily have the room to get them into decent damage gear.

I'd argue that an ME with ~2.5K ATK is not going to contribute as much to the overall team damage with Phantom Touch as he will to the team damage from Cruelty. But I'd definitely love to see a more in-depth analysis on it.

The thing is, we should be building our Maneater to hit as hard as possible since the A1 hits hard, itself. So the Phantom Touch procs are going to be worthwhile. 

Cruelty isn't great at low awakening for the reasons Quinn listed. Crushing Rend is going to run into a very similar issue. If I was someone who was really on the margins of getting to a 2 key UNM, or getting to a full on 1 key this would be a lot more frustrating given a lot of advice on CB blessings has heavily veered towards Cruelty/Crushing Rend. 

Even with the Speed requirement putting some players in a difficult spot with regards to filling out the rest of the stats, I don't see that making a difference.

edit: snail, quinn math

29 сент. 2022, 21:0329.09.22
06.08.20
21

So for the champ with the blessing, Phantom Touch should boost damage more than Cruelty. 


Do you feel this remains true if we think about the entire team benefitting from the reduced defense from Cruelty? In other words, the other champs also get to "ignore an additional 5% defense" as well as the ME champ that has the blessing. Is that still too unimpactful?


29 сент. 2022, 21:2029.09.22
25.06.20
6076

That's the part where I'd like to see the math broken down. I know its a small amount, but I am curious how much it'll influence things. But I don't have the time right now to do that math.

29 сент. 2022, 21:5929.09.22
25.06.20
6076

Okay, so here's what I get. Now, the amount of extra damage from Phantom Touch is harder to evaluate, but at least this gives you something to work with. I'd probably say see how much damage Phantom Touch is proccing for on your champ and divide it by five, then compare with your damage increase from Cruelty instead, and see which gives you the bigger number.

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