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Mar 11, 2021, 03:2103/11/21
01/31/18
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C.v.C. New old rules,win and no reward?

So I was surprised to find the clan had won, the opposition seems to have disbanded sometime after I logged off the game. 

There's no mention of what happened and why there's no reward for winning.

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Mar 11, 2021, 07:5503/11/21
01/11/17
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Hi Krow,

Make sure to contact our support team specialists. To do so, please follow the link:

https://vikings-support.plarium.com/web/en/


After this, click on "Ask a question" to submit a ticket. Our specialists will thoroughly check the situation!



Mar 12, 2021, 01:1403/12/21
01/31/18
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I knew you would say that, so thats why I put it here and not in technical support.

Following will be another.

Mar 14, 2021, 09:2403/14/21
04/06/18
236

The one time an opponent disbanded within my own experience I seem to recall that the Events report simply said so and did not show their scores.  However that clan disbanded before the contest started so they had no points to display.  Did you look in Events - Ended and what did it show?

If your opponents scores had disappeared but, before disbanding, they outscored you then perhaps no one won.

Mar 14, 2021, 17:3803/14/21
Mar 14, 2021, 17:53(edited)
01/31/18
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Had previous experience with opponents disbanding and still getting the rewards.

Not this time.

In anticipation of needing proof, I took a picture.

 Though it ought not to matter when they disbanded a win is still a win? Isnt it? 

If your last statment was true , then the text shouldnt indicate win.

In any event:

If its a general bug, or the rules have changed again, other players need to know, in advance, hence  the post and title.

C.v.C. New old rules,win and no reward? 


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Mar 15, 2021, 14:3703/15/21
Apr 2, 2021, 15:19(edited)
04/06/18
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Your clan is shown as having reached thirteen checkpoints scoring seven hundred and thirty five million points which put you ahead in one category at the time of the screenshot.  Your opponents are shown as disbanded and ahead in no categories.

My speculation is that upon your opponent disbanding, their scores are erased from the report (in particular from the part of the report showing categories won) but those scores remain relevant and are compared to your scores so as to determine whether you won or lost in each category and hence whether you won sufficient categories to win the contest.

If your opponents outscored you in two or more categories that means you did not win the contest (the surprise you express in your initial post suggests this was indeed the case).

If that speculation is correct the "1:0" part of the report does not indicate victory in the contest and there is no other text to indicate whether you won or not.  Victories are notified in System Mail not by text in the report.

That said, if my speculation correctly describes the way disbandment affects scoring it would be easy enough for plarium to post here saying so - which they have not done.


Mar 16, 2021, 01:1103/16/21
Mar 16, 2021, 01:14(edited)
01/31/18
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Sounds like you would make a good lawyer for the owners.

However, though your explanation does sound plausible,that system could be abused, and maybe thats why they changed the rules previously.

In any case, if their scores counted, after they disbanded, the clan would have not had the 1 shown.

Part of my reason for posting here, rather than in technical, which no longer deals with this kind of situation, was to alert others of what happened, and as you suggested, there then might be some official  explanation.

Mar 20, 2021, 03:0203/20/21
03/19/21
1

In my experience with the opponent quiting/disbanding, this always ended win by forfeit and got full payout.

Mar 20, 2021, 03:4503/20/21
09/01/18
5

If an opponent starts and then disbands the clan it should be a forfiet and and the remaining clan shold win the rewards. This is only fair to the clan that stayed in the game to play. It's not that hard to figure out whats right.

Apr 1, 2021, 16:1704/01/21
12/01/19
6

Enemy clan may have won CVC and disbanded later, after winning. Happened to us. 

Apr 1, 2021, 23:4604/01/21
01/31/18
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Thanks, but that doesnt seem to fit. 

When you say it happened to you ,did it show you as winning, or loosing?

The other clan as already disbanded, or did you  later check they had disbanded yourselves?

I cant see plarium reversing the score of a CvC after the final result has been posted.

Surely a clan isnt going to disband immediately the battle is done, but wait until after they get the reward, which is later.



Apr 2, 2021, 15:1504/02/21
04/06/18
236

It is clear from the Clans Battle screenshot you posted that your opponents did not win first and then disband - they are shown as already disbanded at the time the screenshot was taken and are also shown as having been ahead in zero categories at that time.

The final result is notified to the victors by a System message.  I have seen it suggested that a message should also be sent to the losers. Perhaps plarium shows some unwonted sensitivity in not sending a message to say "You have suffered a humiliating defeat at the hands of your vastly superior opponents - LOSERS".  In any event the message could not be expected to contain any explanation as to how the victory and defeat in this particular case came to be calculated - so you would still be left puzzled.


Apr 5, 2021, 01:2004/05/21
12/01/19
6

We lost the CVC. Rewards had already been paid out. After that opponent disbanded. It showed us winning the CVC. However, our record showed it as a loss. 

Apr 5, 2021, 11:5504/05/21
01/31/18
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Interesting.

I never thought to look at the win / loss table, but I would have needed to know what the status was before.

Anyway  I still dont think that it's the same situation.

The timing on the photograph shows it was taken soon after the  competition ended and there would have been  virtually no time for the reward to have gone to them.


Apr 6, 2021, 18:4204/06/21
04/07/17
1235

Sounds to me like it is the same situation ... you say the timing on the photograph shows it was taken soon after the competition ended but we see no "timing" on the "photograph" ... you said you were suprised your clan won ... so seems they were ahead towards the end and after they got their rewards they disbanded ... sometimes those rewards come pretty fast.

Apr 7, 2021, 02:1304/07/21
Apr 7, 2021, 03:18(edited)
01/31/18
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Though I do see that it may look otherwise, I never actually  meant to imply that the time was visible . 

 It might have been less ambiguous if I hadn't  decided against posting the exact time , or instead, I had written 'The timing of the photograph shows.' 

Also, if I knew the time was there, I would have written shown , not shows.


Beforehand I  had checked the posted picture myself, then the timelog,this information couldn't be  displayed here.  

If I had thought I would need proof, then it would have been originally included in the snapshot.


The oppostion was ahead , but not unsurmountably so, such that if I had not been otherwise engaged it couldnt have been turned around.

 Given that it was so soon after the competition ended when the shot was taken, even though you say the rewards can be given pretty fast, I stick by my statement, and say that this did not happen.

Unfortunately again, so long after the event, I have no official logs  to back this up.

Apr 7, 2021, 04:1904/07/21
04/06/18
236

The sequence of events is for the scores to be updated from time ro time as the event progresses and then, when time brings the contest to an end, the Clans Battle screen is transferred to the "Ended" section of Events and carries the text seen in the OP's screenshot "The competition has ended".  The scores shown at that point are not the final scores.  It typically takes the game between half an hour to an hour before the updated final scores are shown.  The message sent to rhe victors, the rss sent to the Chief and the personal achievement awards are credited at about the same time that the final updated scores appear.

I can see no reason why plarium should go through that process only subsequently, after the awards had been made, to re-visit the Clans Battle screen and amend it to show that the victors had disbanded and to retrospectively remove their scores.  To do so achieves nothing, is additional work, creates confusion and the removal of the scores would also be a lie.

Apr 7, 2021, 05:4804/07/21
Apr 7, 2021, 05:59(edited)
04/07/17
1235

KROW -Are you the one who took the picture and what timelog ... the game timelog ... or timelog of the computer of when the picture was taken?  And all you have to do is contact support and they will confirm whether or not the clan quit before the end of cvc ... also when a clan loses that shows very quickly in their win/loss stats ... a win takes longer to register in the win/loss stats (about the same time they hand out the rewards) ... 


Apr 7, 2021, 05:5804/07/21
04/07/17
1235

John - When a clan disbands either before or after CVC ends the disbanding automatically zeros out their scores ... plarium does not have to go in to do this it is automatic done through how they set up the program ... as KROW says they were ahead in other catagories and overall ahead towards the end ... as CelticWolf says they had a time when a clan disbanded after the CVC and the disbanded clan received the win BUT their score zeroed out so it "looked" as though his clan had won when you looked at the CVC score AFTER the event ended.

And I see no reason why a clan that is ahead would disband shortly before the end of the competition ... if you look you see it is league of Rookie clan ... after the win the chief might have disbanded the clan so as to go join another clan.


Apr 7, 2021, 12:4304/07/21
04/06/18
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CelticWolf says rewards had already been paid out but does not explain how s/he knows that.

I remain skeptical.  Your speculation that the programming revisits old CvCs to erase a disbanding clans scores makes no sense to me.  How far back would it go - the clan's whole history?  Why would the programmers think it necessary to make any changes at all?

What we know in this case is that the OP's clan did not win.  What we don't know is whether the disbanded clan won or not.  It makes more sense to me for no changes to the Clans Battle record to be made when a clan disbands after CvC ends but when a clan disbands during CvC it can no longer win, no achievement awards are credited and the Clans Battle record appears as it does in the OP's screenshot.

As I posted previously the explanation as to why the OP's clan did not win would then have to be that to do so they had to outscore their opponents and it seems reasonably clear that in this case they did not do so.  Although the disbanded clan's scores had been erased from the Clans Battle record, they still counted for the purposes of determining whether the undisbanded participant won.

A pity that the forum admin do not post to give us an authoritative answer.  I suppose they do not know and can't be bothered to make enquiries to find out.

Apr 7, 2021, 12:4504/07/21
Apr 7, 2021, 13:31(edited)
01/31/18
204

John. Blazebo

I am familar with how the score is periodically updated, and how when the competition ends the score at that time is subject to change after the final calculations have been processed .

Also, that the rewards are not given till after this final score is shown, which isn't always immediately afterwards, such that the whole process can be quite lengthy.

Again, I say the snapshot of the result  which wasnt going to change again, was taken too soon after the competition finished , for the opposing side to  have won, claim the reward, and then disband.

Though I will say , quitting  was a strange thing to do, if they were after the rewards.

Blazebo.

I took the picture, and here again a final editing of my post seems to have muddied its clarity.

The time log was on the device, and not on the picture which had it been may have helped with the discussion, but maybe not the outcome, based on other event threads,that did contain the exact timings of events and still appeared to have got the poster no where.

As  a reminder, the purpose of posting here was to alert other players, and see what official response I might see. 

I knew what would happen if I had posted in the technical section

I never expected Ivar to write 'contact support' in answer, as he would have as in above.

After there was little intial comments here, I did contact support,but thats as far as it got.

Too much goes on un registered.


Re edit  with latest thoughts.

Had I been unaware of events during the CvC, I would have returned only to find the opposition disbanded, the win was in ,but no rewards given.