The reward system on Infestations is now secure against unfair play!

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Alyona Kolomiitseva
Community Manager
30 June, 2016, 9:40 AM UTC
cD-pSyKik said:

ALYONA KOLOMIITSEVA: thank you for confirming that plarium has made the already dead game even more slow and armies are for big coiners only, also thank you for apologizing for killing our best infest strategy due to some unfair exploit which the fair players don't need to know.

I think I will be done with this game soon. Any MoR members who are interested to continue playing the game can ask their infest questions here. I only understand that you need to spend a lot of more time and more cash here now. 

Cheers and a best of luck with your infests everyone :) 



It's really sad to hear about your decision. You're always welcome here if you decide to return.
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Alyona Kolomiitseva
Community Manager
30 June, 2016, 9:49 AM UTC

For those who did not read my previous comments: 


"The "yellowing" strategy itself is not an exploit!

And we have never meant to offend our fellow fair players.

There were SOME players, who have found the vulnerability by using the described strategy. There is a certain way how the system should work, how it's designed to work.

We are really sorry that your favorite strategy is affected by the change. However, this change was inevitable. You can still use it. The only difference now is that you will need to hit more Infestations to receive a payout.

I totally understand your confusion on this matter. You are fair players who really want to know more about the situation. Please ask your questions in this topic, and I will answer as soon as I get back here. "

I understand that it's hard to accept any changes. Especially if they are related to Infestations. You have probably mastered them after a long time and after putting so many efforts into them.

However, as we have mentioned, there were some players who were using an exploit. There is a certain way how the Infestations should work. But those players have found a vulnerability in the system.

Let me ensure you that you and other fair players who were using this strategy are not among those who have caused this change.

It was a hard decision to change the system when we knew that the changes will affect one of the most popular Infestations strategy. But it was necessary.

We strive to give the same opportunities to all players, and we had to make Infestations fair and equal for everyone.

Though you may need some time to adapt, you will soon notice that the new system is exactly the same as it was before, with one minor change which affected only 1-bar strategy.

If you have any other questions, please ask.

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Danny
30 June, 2016, 10:59 AM UTC

what is plarium going to do to find the balans in game back now "some" players found and used the vulnerability

 ?
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Snowgoon
30 June, 2016, 10:30 PM UTC

@ Biohazard


Is this blog now completely out of date?

Would it be possible to explain how much has changed .. for example, does the superbonus still exist and do infestations each have their own discrete payout amount?


http://plarium.com/en/ask-a-developer/plarium-game-algo/

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BiohazarD
Moderator
30 June, 2016, 11:51 PM UTC

Tony Hobson said:


@ Biohazard


Is this blog now completely out of date?

Would it be possible to explain how much has changed .. for example, does the superbonus still exist and do infestations each have their own discrete payout amount?


http://plarium.com/en/ask-a-developer/plarium-game-algo/

Yes, you can still get a superbonus.  The catch is that the negative bank no longer resets periodically, so you will have to load all the troops you won back in before you can get another payout.  Because of this it is impossible to ever make a profit on the infests (unless of course you never do infests again after a big payout and just leave your bank in the negative).  Also, there is some kind of "tax" on all troops loaded into the infests, so generally you'll only win back about 90% of the troops you have loaded.  This adds up very quickly.  Each level 140 infest takes about 10 million offense or defense to kill.  So lets say you kill 5 of them before getting a full payout, meaning you've sent 50 million power to the infests.  If each one gives you a 1 mil mini-payout, then when you kill the fifth one you'd get about 41 million power back.  That plus the 4 mini payouts means you won a total of 45 million power back, and the other 5 million is lost to the tax (you can't win it back by hitting more infests, it's just gone). 

Each infest level doesn't have an exact payout amount (there is some variation) but it does have an approximate maximum value it will give you on a full payout.  Sometimes they pay out far less than this because of plarium's randomization factor, or don't pay out even when you have more than this loaded, and occasionally you'll get a much larger payout (usually in nemesis, tbolts, and exterms), but this is not considered profit since you have to load it back in before you can get any more payouts.  For level 10-125 this max is approximately 65*n^3.14 where n is the level of the infest, from level 125-140 it seems to go up more slowly, with the max being about 300 mil at level 140.  

Note: This is from my own research and has not been confirmed by plarium. 
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Alyona Kolomiitseva
Community Manager
1 July, 2016, 10:08 AM UTC
Danny said:

what is plarium going to do to find the balans in game back now "some" players found and used the vulnerability

 ?
We already took the necessary measures, Danny 
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Alyona Kolomiitseva
Community Manager
1 July, 2016, 10:09 AM UTC
leonlacey3737 said:

i agree there, i am not high in the infests but i still do them for troops and for torniments and i loose more troops then i gain and for me that messes me over when i saw the infest changes i thought it was gonna be loose less gain more but no its even worse, now i have to do the higher ones to get rewards and troops, this is rediculous.
Infestations work as they did before. If you used to raid lower levels, you can still raid them. 
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eugenio.fr
1 July, 2016, 10:55 AM UTC

NIKITA METEOR said:


Commanders, the new reward system on Infestations is now secure against attempts to obtain Units in an unfair way.


IMPORTANT: The following applies only to new Infestations, i.e. the ones you have not engaged yet.


A few players have identified weaknesses in the Infestation mechanics and exploited them to gain significantly more Units than they were supposed to. Such actions negatively influence the game balance and are unfair to other players. To remedy the situation, we have slightly modified the Infestation mechanics.


Unfortunately, these modifications will also affect those players that engage Infestations utilizing the following strategy:

- First, they almost defeat Morgana at multiple Infestations of different levels, i.e. there is a small number of Morgana’s Units remaining at each one of them.

- Next, they engage Infestations of higher levels, receiving a reward.

- Then, they finish all the remaining Infestations.


This strategy may now be less effective.


These modifications will not influence those players that engage (and finish) the Infestations one at a time.



these change not is small change..... after you change payment sistem, it isn't more possible play these game 1- it isn't possible, else in infestation lev. 100 +, to take back a "decent" number of troups and else in intermedial lev. , the power necessary to put down is more upper , and else spending a big amount is very difficult play, taking back a very small number of troups.So, after mor as 260 euro spended today not think take mone 1 cent from me...... sorry..... Eugenio Franzoni  uid 3917447 / fb100000228466624 / Geotopia / segment00





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Danny
1 July, 2016, 12:52 PM UTC

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:


Danny said:


what is plarium going to do to find the balans in game back now "some" players found and used the vulnerability

 ?

We already took the necessary measures, Danny 



Alyona can you be more clear about that or is it only the infest system thats  changes or have you done more measures.
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Pepe del Toro
4 July, 2016, 3:08 PM UTC

Replayability ... completely new possibilities for my army ... invest some money and time ... and now Morgana my money and my work .... erases

Plarium gentlemen , if you put your money into something and your time , the game must be reliable

I understand losing my troops against my enemies ... but I take them off the game itself ... sorry ... I do not like this

 game over

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skylark
9 July, 2016, 5:38 AM UTC

That is why i has left doing infests long ago when first change to the infest system is done.

I already knew that time that this regular changes to infest System is not going to stop.
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roadstar Pitbull
9 July, 2016, 8:08 PM UTC

I agree, completely.



Now plarium,,, please remove infests from my mission files....
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Morgoth
14 July, 2016, 5:31 PM UTC

i was expecting answer to my comment and questions .. not to be deleted 

what are you going to do with raid system ?????
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BiohazarD
Moderator
15 July, 2016, 2:16 AM UTC
Morgoth said:

i was expecting answer to my comment and questions .. not to be deleted 

what are you going to do with raid system ?????
As far as I'm aware there aren't any changes planned to the raiding system. 
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Morgoth
15 July, 2016, 12:15 PM UTC
BiohazarD said:

Morgoth said:

i was expecting answer to my comment and questions .. not to be deleted 

what are you going to do with raid system ?????
As far as I'm aware there aren't any changes planned to the raiding system. 
am talking about cheating in raid system using crystals 
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Alyona Kolomiitseva
Community Manager
18 July, 2016, 12:59 PM UTC
Morgoth said:

BiohazarD said:

Morgoth said:

i was expecting answer to my comment and questions .. not to be deleted 

what are you going to do with raid system ?????
As far as I'm aware there aren't any changes planned to the raiding system. 
am talking about cheating in raid system using crystals 
If you notice any suspicious activity, please report it to our Support Team, they will take the necessary measures.
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BiohazarD
Moderator
19 July, 2016, 6:18 PM UTC
Alyona Kolomiitseva said:

Morgoth said:

BiohazarD said:

Morgoth said:

i was expecting answer to my comment and questions .. not to be deleted 

what are you going to do with raid system ?????
As far as I'm aware there aren't any changes planned to the raiding system. 
am talking about cheating in raid system using crystals 
If you notice any suspicious activity, please report it to our Support Team, they will take the necessary measures.
I notified support of this trick a while ago, apparently it's not a cheat, just a special method that players can discover and use to their advantage. 
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Alyona Kolomiitseva
Community Manager
20 July, 2016, 10:04 AM UTC
BiohazarD said:


I notified support of this trick a while ago, apparently it's not a cheat, just a special method that players can discover and use to their advantage. 
If you mean using Items to get more points, it's not a cheat. But still, it's a good thing to report anything suspicious. We strive to make this game fair for all players 
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Marsiliana
21 July, 2016, 1:47 AM UTC

I'm not understanding something here maybe?

The infests system was changed because there was a group of people who discovered a 'special method' to do infests and get maximum rewards from them, right?

Now another group of people discover a 'special method ' to do raids and get maximum rewards too. Just the small difference is that here they have to use Crystals.( i believe they become ITEMS when needed )

There is some very thin line that makes the difference between good and bad, I wonder what is it ?

Please help me understand

Most respect

M


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Alyona Kolomiitseva
Community Manager
21 July, 2016, 11:38 AM UTC

Marsiliana said:


I'm not understanding something here maybe?

The infests system was changed because there was a group of people who discovered a 'special method' to do infests and get maximum rewards from them, right?

Now another group of people discover a 'special method ' to do raids and get maximum rewards too. Just the small difference is that here they have to use Crystals.( i believe they become ITEMS when needed )

There is some very thin line that makes the difference between good and bad, I wonder what is it ?

Please help me understand

Most respect

M


Yes, there are tricks to raid more Resources (which don't require using Items. And there is a way to place in TOP rankings with Item usage. Both of the methods were not determined as exploits or cheats. Those are tricks, but they don't give an unfair advantage to players who use them. 

But the exploit with the Infestations did. This is not a subject to debate as the decision is already made, and the update won't be reversed. If you were playing in a fair way, there's nothing to worry about.
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