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Dec 23, 2017, 09:2312/23/17
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Lets talk ALTS again...


So, according to Plarium ALTS is discouraged, but that is all...


So what it boils down to is how many alts you got the time to manage. And if you a bit computer savy you can make your own bot software to take care of your day to day running of your alt army.. (seen no rules against automated running vs manual running either, and I doubt you can even detect it).


Actually I now encourage EVERYONE to create as many alts and play as many alts as possible you got time to manage, because. If you not, you gimp yourself.


In Plarium eyes, all they see is alts feeding a main castle/account. Which they gimped, so then its okay, and discouraged...


In my eyes, I see force projection, farming pvp points, traps and a lot of other ways.


I don't like the use of ALTS in games such as this, but for everyone to play on equal terms and grounds, I got no choice than encourage everyone to make and use them.





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BiohazarDModerator
Dec 23, 2017, 12:2012/23/17
Dec 23, 2017, 12:21(edited)
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Making multiple accounts will certainly let you build troops faster than if you only had 1 account, but it doesn't really help you compete with the mega coiners.  Instead of it taking you 200 years to make the same army the coiner got with a swipe of their credit card, with 10 accounts (which is about the max 1 person can manage well without being on the game 24/7) it only takes you 20 years...

The use of 3rd party software is against the game rules (under the malicious behavior section).  I suppose if you wrote the program yourself it might not count as 3rd party software, but I doubt that's going to fly.  As to whether it's detectable, that would depend on how you code it I suppose.  The master bots have been around for years, so it must be possible to write an undetectable bot program.  
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and i think if were so easy to make a bot i suppose all on game were using an own programed bot and i think people is not

using a 3rd party program to run the game, besides to be against rules sure you have to pay. so why pay to use a program if playing is free ??

its a nosense and i dont think people uses a bot even to do daylies.

regards


BiohazarDModerator
Dec 25, 2017, 05:4412/25/17
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djmoody said:

My personal opinion.

I prefer to play one account on games. It maintains the role-play and suspension of disbelief. if you start multiple accounts then your mindset moves into how can to exploit the game mechanics for the best return, which tends to take a game away from straight fun.

With regards to whether I think they are acceptable in this game.

There is no massive benefit to playing alts in this game. You don't play 3 alts and the interaction possible between them yields the result of playing nine accounts, i.e. there is an economy of scale.

Basically if you put effort into running an extra account you get an extra account's worth of troops.

On one level this gives an advantage as it allows you to circumvent the raiding and BG daily limits which only allow you to undertake so much activity in a day and the troop production bottleneck that puts a maximum on the army you can build per day.

So if you play 2 accounts you can build two armies but you have to put x2 amount of time and effort in.

On a moral level I am OK with that. You put your time and effort in and you get the same reward for your time and effort as anyone else. You aren't getting anything above and beyond what you deserve for your effort.

In same games I would feel it was a cheat but this one is so ridiculously pay to win, it is the only route a F2P or even a most spending player could ever hope to compete.

I know I am struggling with the activity to even keep one account going. If someone else is running x5 accounts then good on them for having x5 armies, they earnt it. I could do the same if I could be bothered. I have simply been beaten by their dedication. That feels a lot more comfortable than being beaten by an idiot with no skill, knowledge or experience who has a credit card.

They can use alts to do some annoying things messing with exploiting league diplo and spamming fireballs, but it certainly doesn't give them any significant advantage compared to someone who's spending money.  
Dec 25, 2017, 05:5012/25/17
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Juglar del Viento said:

and i think if were so easy to make a bot i suppose all on game were using an own programed bot and i think people is not

using a 3rd party program to run the game, besides to be against rules sure you have to pay. so why pay to use a program if playing is free ??

its a nosense and i dont think people uses a bot even to do daylies.

regards


200,000 archers on your castle walls. thats why. 
Dec 26, 2017, 16:0812/26/17
02/29/16
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Hello!

Multiple accounts and bot accounts are different things. 

The reply regarding multiple accounting was already given to you in this thread: https://plarium.com/forum/en/stormfall-age-of-war/-news-and-announcements/90495_online-chat-with-plarium-s-community-manager--december-21/

As for the bots, we're banning them regularly. There are several ways to reports them: send cords to Support team or in PM to Lord Oberon.

Plus, we're running an automatic check on the servers and ban such accounts according to this check.

Dec 26, 2017, 16:1512/26/17
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Alina Phoenix said:

Hello!

Multiple accounts and bot accounts are different things. 

The reply regarding multiple accounting was already given to you in this thread: https://plarium.com/forum/en/stormfall-age-of-war/-news-and-announcements/90495_online-chat-with-plarium-s-community-manager--december-21/

As for the bots, we're banning them regularly. There are several ways to reports them: send cords to Support team or in PM to Lord Oberon.

Plus, we're running an automatic check on the servers and ban such accounts according to this check.

What difference is it for a player to run 5 alts, than he does the same using macros to automate the process rather than manual clicking? you allow the use of alts, so. how a player play his/hers alts, does that matter then?
BiohazarDModerator
Dec 26, 2017, 18:0412/26/17
10/04/13
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Gadheras said:

Alina Phoenix said:

Hello!

Multiple accounts and bot accounts are different things. 

The reply regarding multiple accounting was already given to you in this thread: https://plarium.com/forum/en/stormfall-age-of-war/-news-and-announcements/90495_online-chat-with-plarium-s-community-manager--december-21/

As for the bots, we're banning them regularly. There are several ways to reports them: send cords to Support team or in PM to Lord Oberon.

Plus, we're running an automatic check on the servers and ban such accounts according to this check.

What difference is it for a player to run 5 alts, than he does the same using macros to automate the process rather than manual clicking? you allow the use of alts, so. how a player play his/hers alts, does that matter then?
With a player just playing multiple accounts, they still have to put the time and effort into running those accounts. With a bot, they can run as many accounts as they want without having to actually play them. So yes, whether a player actually plays the game or just gets a computer to do it for them matters.  
Dec 27, 2017, 00:2512/27/17
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BiohazarD said:


Gadheras said:


Alina Phoenix said:


Hello!

Multiple accounts and bot accounts are different things. 

The reply regarding multiple accounting was already given to you in this thread: https://plarium.com/forum/en/stormfall-age-of-war/-news-and-announcements/90495_online-chat-with-plarium-s-community-manager--december-21/

As for the bots, we're banning them regularly. There are several ways to reports them: send cords to Support team or in PM to Lord Oberon.

Plus, we're running an automatic check on the servers and ban such accounts according to this check.

What difference is it for a player to run 5 alts, than he does the same using macros to automate the process rather than manual clicking? you allow the use of alts, so. how a player play his/hers alts, does that matter then?
With a player just playing multiple accounts, they still have to put the time and effort into running those accounts. With a bot, they can run as many accounts as they want without having to actually play them. So yes, whether a player actually plays the game or just gets a computer to do it for them matters.  

For a player that doesn't have, or use alts. He/she wouldn't really care tbh. Just regard it both as unfair/bad. How about second hand accounts, or even 3rd or more generation ones. There is players sitting on several handed off accounts of players leaving the game. We all know about this, its in most leagues. How much time and effort did a player do to achieve that?


In a game such as this having alts and such put you on a edge over others. I just want the playing field to be equal for everyone, and with Plarium not enforcing any rules over the "form of alts".... go figure. 


Heck there is even computer mouses out there you can buy that come with macros, that would mimic actions and repeat them. Not even any need for bot sotware at all. 
BiohazarDModerator
Dec 27, 2017, 06:5312/27/17
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Gadheras said:

BiohazarD said:


Gadheras said:


Alina Phoenix said:


Hello!

Multiple accounts and bot accounts are different things. 

The reply regarding multiple accounting was already given to you in this thread: https://plarium.com/forum/en/stormfall-age-of-war/-news-and-announcements/90495_online-chat-with-plarium-s-community-manager--december-21/

As for the bots, we're banning them regularly. There are several ways to reports them: send cords to Support team or in PM to Lord Oberon.

Plus, we're running an automatic check on the servers and ban such accounts according to this check.

What difference is it for a player to run 5 alts, than he does the same using macros to automate the process rather than manual clicking? you allow the use of alts, so. how a player play his/hers alts, does that matter then?
With a player just playing multiple accounts, they still have to put the time and effort into running those accounts. With a bot, they can run as many accounts as they want without having to actually play them. So yes, whether a player actually plays the game or just gets a computer to do it for them matters.  

For a player that doesn't have, or use alts. He/she wouldn't really care tbh. Just regard it both as unfair/bad. How about second hand accounts, or even 3rd or more generation ones. There is players sitting on several handed off accounts of players leaving the game. We all know about this, its in most leagues. How much time and effort did a player do to achieve that?


In a game such as this having alts and such put you on a edge over others. I just want the playing field to be equal for everyone, and with Plarium not enforcing any rules over the "form of alts".... go figure. 


Heck there is even computer mouses out there you can buy that come with macros, that would mimic actions and repeat them. Not even any need for bot sotware at all. 
I guess it's a difference of opinion then.  So many players in the game have a few alt accounts that it's not really considered a big deal to most people.  But if someone has 500 bot accounts with 50 million offense each that's a big problem and can do some serious damage to an entire league or group of leagues.  
Dec 27, 2017, 08:3612/27/17
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BiohazarD said:

Gadheras said:

BiohazarD said:


Gadheras said:


Alina Phoenix said:


Hello!

Multiple accounts and bot accounts are different things. 

The reply regarding multiple accounting was already given to you in this thread: https://plarium.com/forum/en/stormfall-age-of-war/-news-and-announcements/90495_online-chat-with-plarium-s-community-manager--december-21/

As for the bots, we're banning them regularly. There are several ways to reports them: send cords to Support team or in PM to Lord Oberon.

Plus, we're running an automatic check on the servers and ban such accounts according to this check.

What difference is it for a player to run 5 alts, than he does the same using macros to automate the process rather than manual clicking? you allow the use of alts, so. how a player play his/hers alts, does that matter then?
With a player just playing multiple accounts, they still have to put the time and effort into running those accounts. With a bot, they can run as many accounts as they want without having to actually play them. So yes, whether a player actually plays the game or just gets a computer to do it for them matters.  

For a player that doesn't have, or use alts. He/she wouldn't really care tbh. Just regard it both as unfair/bad. How about second hand accounts, or even 3rd or more generation ones. There is players sitting on several handed off accounts of players leaving the game. We all know about this, its in most leagues. How much time and effort did a player do to achieve that?


In a game such as this having alts and such put you on a edge over others. I just want the playing field to be equal for everyone, and with Plarium not enforcing any rules over the "form of alts".... go figure. 


Heck there is even computer mouses out there you can buy that come with macros, that would mimic actions and repeat them. Not even any need for bot sotware at all. 
I guess it's a difference of opinion then.  So many players in the game have a few alt accounts that it's not really considered a big deal to most people.  But if someone has 500 bot accounts with 50 million offense each that's a big problem and can do some serious damage to an entire league or group of leagues.  
All it take is for one account shared account to create a lot of damage to an entire league... (or group of leagues..)
Dec 27, 2017, 11:3812/27/17
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Gadheras said:


Heck there is even computer mouses out there you can buy that come with macros, that would mimic actions and repeat them. Not even any need for bot sotware at all. 

i dont think so

you can use a mouse repeater only in some features as it was combining cristals time ago to avoid being clicking during one hour to combine all cristals. even i that only repeating scenario u have a lot of problems with server response and timing between automatic clicks so sometimes u had to begin again with all process

imagine if you have to program the mouse for: find ur target in ur raiding list, go to that castle, send a spy to see if the raid will worth, wait for the spy report, then go to that castle, send the troops to raid, control the time, send caravans at 20 secs before the raid, wait for the raid and cancel caravans...


I guess it's a difference of opinion then. So many players in the game have a few alt accounts that it's not really considered a big deal to most people. But if someone has 500 bot accounts with 50 million offense each that's a big problem and can do some serious damage to an entire league or group of leagues.  

i think all we can theorically think about one program. 

and talking theorically,  really do u guys can use it ???. do u all are going to learn russian ???. finallly its more an interface than a cloning bots program and you have to control every account you could have. its true some actions can be automatized but finally you have to be pending about all features and put them manually to work. and even you still have to be conected to do all.

and the most important, in theory, you have to pay for using it what is not allowed on game. so beginiing with learning a new languaje the time it takes to know how it runs and how it works is more than playing as always.

all this if we are thinking about the same thing.. i repeat if were so easy to program a bot this post sure will not exist.

Regards

Dec 27, 2017, 11:5012/27/17
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Juglar del Viento said:

Gadheras said:


Heck there is even computer mouses out there you can buy that come with macros, that would mimic actions and repeat them. Not even any need for bot sotware at all. 

i dont think so

you can use a mouse repeater only in some features as it was combining cristals time ago to avoid being clicking during one hour to combine all cristals. even i that only repeating scenario u have a lot of problems with server response and timing between automatic clicks so sometimes u had to begin again with all process

imagine if you have to program the mouse for: find ur target in ur raiding list, go to that castle, send a spy to see if the raid will worth, wait for the spy report, then go to that castle, send the troops to raid, control the time, send caravans at 20 secs before the raid, wait for the raid and cancel caravans...


I guess it's a difference of opinion then. So many players in the game have a few alt accounts that it's not really considered a big deal to most people. But if someone has 500 bot accounts with 50 million offense each that's a big problem and can do some serious damage to an entire league or group of leagues.  

i think all we can theorically think about one program. 

and talking theorically,  really do u guys can use it ???. do u all are going to learn russian ???. finallly its more an interface than a cloning bots program and you have to control every account you could have. its true some actions can be automatized but finally you have to be pending about all features and put them manually to work. and even you still have to be conected to do all.

and the most important, in theory, you have to pay for using it what is not allowed on game. so beginiing with learning a new languaje the time it takes to know how it runs and how it works is more than playing as always.

all this if we are thinking about the same thing.. i repeat if were so easy to program a bot this post sure will not exist.

Regards

A quick google search give several hits, on easy to set up macros. Even youtube videos showing how. Why people want to buy bot software and such is beyond me. A programable mouse that got own feature of mimic actions, would of course require everything stay the same for the actions to trigger. I think some people might limit themselfs inside the box of Stormfall and not think outside it, in regard of what is possible to achieve in games and not tbh. 
BiohazarDModerator
Dec 28, 2017, 07:1812/28/17
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Gadheras said:

BiohazarD said:

Gadheras said:

BiohazarD said:


Gadheras said:


Alina Phoenix said:


Hello!

Multiple accounts and bot accounts are different things. 

The reply regarding multiple accounting was already given to you in this thread: https://plarium.com/forum/en/stormfall-age-of-war/-news-and-announcements/90495_online-chat-with-plarium-s-community-manager--december-21/

As for the bots, we're banning them regularly. There are several ways to reports them: send cords to Support team or in PM to Lord Oberon.

Plus, we're running an automatic check on the servers and ban such accounts according to this check.

What difference is it for a player to run 5 alts, than he does the same using macros to automate the process rather than manual clicking? you allow the use of alts, so. how a player play his/hers alts, does that matter then?
With a player just playing multiple accounts, they still have to put the time and effort into running those accounts. With a bot, they can run as many accounts as they want without having to actually play them. So yes, whether a player actually plays the game or just gets a computer to do it for them matters.  

For a player that doesn't have, or use alts. He/she wouldn't really care tbh. Just regard it both as unfair/bad. How about second hand accounts, or even 3rd or more generation ones. There is players sitting on several handed off accounts of players leaving the game. We all know about this, its in most leagues. How much time and effort did a player do to achieve that?


In a game such as this having alts and such put you on a edge over others. I just want the playing field to be equal for everyone, and with Plarium not enforcing any rules over the "form of alts".... go figure. 


Heck there is even computer mouses out there you can buy that come with macros, that would mimic actions and repeat them. Not even any need for bot sotware at all. 
I guess it's a difference of opinion then.  So many players in the game have a few alt accounts that it's not really considered a big deal to most people.  But if someone has 500 bot accounts with 50 million offense each that's a big problem and can do some serious damage to an entire league or group of leagues.  
All it take is for one account shared account to create a lot of damage to an entire league... (or group of leagues..)
True, we've seen that done in some of the big league funded hammers. 
Dec 28, 2017, 10:5312/28/17
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Hello, Lord Gadheras.

What difference is it for a player to run 5 alts, than he does the same using macros to automate the process rather than manual clicking? you allow the use of alts, so. how a player play his/hers alts, does that matter then?

I will agree with DJMOODY here. Multiple accounts mean accounts the player also spends time and effort to develop to the high level, upgrade Buildings, build Units, discover Lost Arts. These accounts look like a usual account of a player.

Bot accounts are usually low level and not very developed. They also have strange Castle names and located not far away from each other on the Map.

How about second hand accounts, or even 3rd or more generation ones. There is players sitting on several handed off accounts of players leaving the game. We all know about this, its in most leagues. How much time and effort did a player do to achieve that?

It's not allowed to share the login details as it leads to the security breaches. It's a choice of a player whether to tell his login details to anyone or not. But it's logical that then the complaints "my account was hacked" don't have a positive solution for such players.



Dec 28, 2017, 11:3812/28/17
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Alina Phoenix said:


Hello, Lord Gadheras.

What difference is it for a player to run 5 alts, than he does the same using macros to automate the process rather than manual clicking? you allow the use of alts, so. how a player play his/hers alts, does that matter then?

I will agree with DJMOODY here. Multiple accounts mean accounts the player also spends time and effort to develop to the high level, upgrade Buildings, build Units, discover Lost Arts. These accounts look like a usual account of a player.

Bot accounts are usually low level and not very developed. They also have strange Castle names and located not far away from each other on the Map.

How about second hand accounts, or even 3rd or more generation ones. There is players sitting on several handed off accounts of players leaving the game. We all know about this, its in most leagues. How much time and effort did a player do to achieve that?

It's not allowed to share the login details as it leads to the security breaches. It's a choice of a player whether to tell his login details to anyone or not. But it's logical that then the complaints "my account was hacked" don't have a positive solution for such players.



I think you generalize the term "bot".. bot'ing, is just a form of automated clicks and actions that keep the player to do repetive mundane tasks. In other games such as like WOW, you can use such to farm xp with to level your character and so on. Then there is "bots" used in another way, such as farming resources and sell for cash etc. Its two quite different scenarios. 


If a player wan tto run 10 castles under a bot net for the sole purpose of just build archers fo whatever reason he/she see fit. Its quite differnet from some other player want to collect resources to sell to another player for cash etc.


Bots, macros, whatever, used for automated clicks to save the player for repetive mundane things. Heck you can do it with a single castle too, just let some script play your game entire day, make sure all new units get moved to catacombs, queue up new units to make sure your resources is low. 


Also when Plarium says "its not allowed too",people dont care because its not enforced uppon. A player that leave the game care little about his/her login details once handing the account over to another player. That player adopting millions of def/off he did no work to obtain other than maybe know the person that left the game. 


One person might have all the time in the world to sit mantain his/her castle empire, where som eother player have more limited time. Its kinda funny that adding multiple alt castles to your "inventory" is the only thing that actually affect reward vs effort and time spent in this game.
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Alina,


Can u explain how can this player achived lvl54 with:

- 0 attack

- 1 deffense

- 0 BG


It looks like it is made by plarium as well Oberon castle

An also the Feast of vallor is strage. It changes :


Jan 4, 2018, 12:3301/04/18
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Lord Mark, send the cords of this player in PM to Lord Oberon and he will check it :)
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Lord Mark said:


The link was removed by CM.

Does't quite apply to Plarium games though. Make a automated script/bot for Plarium games much more simple. Go to Youtube, do a search for "Plarium bot"... pick your poison,....



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Alina Phoenix said:



It's not allowed to share the login details as it leads to the security breaches. It's a choice of a player whether to tell his login details to anyone or not. But it's logical that then the complaints "my account was hacked" don't have a positive solution for such players.



People who are quitting don't care if people know their login credentials since they generally do not intend to return (I say generally since some do come back).

Those who share without quitting are assuming a risk, but they are also imposing that risk on other players who have no say in the matter and may not even know the sharing is going on.  We've already seen in some high profile account hijackings (whether due to sharing or due to account compromise outside of Plarium's servers) that Plarium refused to make good for the players who did nothing wrong but took losses due to the illicit activity.  

Friendly warning to those who choose to share accounts:  There are game mechanics which can be exploited to retain access to an account even after the password has been changed.  Once you give someone access (or they compromise your account another way), its very difficult (or impossible) to secure your account again.  Best advice:  don't share accounts

 

BiohazarDModerator
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Gadheras said:


Lord Mark said:


The link was removed by CM.

Does't quite apply to Plarium games though. Make a automated script/bot for Plarium games much more simple. Go to Youtube, do a search for "Plarium bot"... pick your poison,....



I wouldn't recommend using any bot advertised on youtube, most of them are probably scams...

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