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master and helper

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birdybyebye
27 September, 2017, 3:51 PM UTC

I recieved this , this morning have recieved in the past also have recieved simular messages from helper, are these legal?


https://prnt.sc/gqe8ic

Thank you Birdy

birdy
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Snowgoon
27 September, 2017, 4:07 PM UTC

birdybyebye said:


I recieved this , this morning have recieved in the past also have recieved simular messages from helper, are these legal?


https://prnt.sc/gqe8ic

Thank you Birdy

Not officially, but plarium turn a blind eye to Helper Castles, Master Castles, Bot Castles and all Alt Accounts because it increases their Monthly Active Users ..... which boosts the sale value of these games

If all illegal castles were removed then plarium's valuation might fall well below 500 Million Dollars
Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way - Pink Floyd - http://prnt.sc/dv923b
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djmoody
27 September, 2017, 7:01 PM UTC

Any in game purchase that isn't through Plarium is going to entail some degree of risk. I wouldn't recommend dealing with 3rd parties.

Idk if Plarium have a specific T&C to cover this but would be suprised if they have include a rule prohibiting purchasing from a 3rd party.

Also on a wider basis, the money we spend on the game keeps the servers alive, pays for support and potentially new development (not that we really get any of the latter). The more of your money you give to a 3rd party and the less to Plarium, the less resource will be available for the game. So it's detrimental to all in the long run.

Everyone has a right to an opinion. No one has a right to their opinion being respected by other if it can't be backed up with rational and logic explanation
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Gadheras
27 September, 2017, 7:10 PM UTC

djmoody said:


Any in game purchase that isn't through Plarium is going to entail some degree of risk. I wouldn't recommend dealing with 3rd parties.

Idk if Plarium have a specific T&C to cover this but would be suprised if they have include a rule prohibiting purchasing from a 3rd party.


Also on a wider basis, the money we spend on the game keeps the servers alive, pays for support and potentially new development (not that we really get any of the latter). The more of your money you give to a 3rd party and the less to Plarium, the less resource will be available for the game. So it's detrimental to all in the long run.


One of the master mails I got in the past, stated could pay through paypal, and pay after your recieved the goods. So master did offer a safe way to pay and a option to just ripp him/them off. I wouldn't touch such offers with a 10ft pole, but there is those that does or else they wouldnt spam this crap all the time. 


On another note, the more money we give to Plarium, the less seems to be invested back into the game. Probably helped fund their mobile platform push though.
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IronApex Turok
28 September, 2017, 7:11 AM UTC

ive spoken with master. She lives 30 minutes away from me. It's legit. 


she runs a bot program that farms or builds troops.  you buy resources or reinforcements from her. 


Shes working on a few hammer accounts so soon you'll be able to pay the bots to take down beacons, or spam attack other leagues. that should really change the game dynamics. 
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Gadheras
28 September, 2017, 7:49 AM UTC
IronApex Turok said:

ive spoken with master. She lives 30 minutes away from me. It's legit. 


she runs a bot program that farms or builds troops.  you buy resources or reinforcements from her. 


Shes working on a few hammer accounts so soon you'll be able to pay the bots to take down beacons, or spam attack other leagues. that should really change the game dynamics. 
sounds an awfull lot like order and ddos on someone kinda, lol. wildcard hammers.
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Alina Phoenix
Community Manager
28 September, 2017, 10:20 AM UTC

Hello.

Such accounts as Master should be reported to the Support Team: https://plariumsupport.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

From our end, we're running an automatic check and block such accounts. 


Community Manager
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Red
28 September, 2017, 7:57 PM UTC

Alina Phoenix said:


Hello.

Such accounts as Master should be reported to the Support Team: https://plariumsupport.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

From our end, we're running an automatic check and block such accounts. 


What is Plarium's stance on buying a hammer from Master and/or Helper to take down beacons and/or forts?  

We've already seen that Plarium says "not our responsibility" when a player's account is compromised and Plarium determines their server was not compromised.  

So it raises questions.  If someone purchases a hammer, and the purchaser's identity is known, would Plarium take action against them?  Would the bot castles used in the attack be banned?  Would players who lose troops as a result of the hammer attack be compensated?  Would Plarium seek legal action against Master?

I ask because if the service exists, people might use it.  If people use it, you're going to hear players crying foul when bot armies destroy league resources and kill troops people have earned or paid for.

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Gadheras
28 September, 2017, 8:01 PM UTC
Red said:

Alina Phoenix said:


Hello.

Such accounts as Master should be reported to the Support Team: https://plariumsupport.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

From our end, we're running an automatic check and block such accounts. 


What is Plarium's stance on buying a hammer from Master and/or Helper to take down beacons and/or forts?  

We've already seen that Plarium says "not our responsibility" when a player's account is compromised and Plarium determines their server was not compromised.  

So it raises questions.  If someone purchases a hammer, and the purchaser's identity is known, would Plarium take action against them?  Would the bot castles used in the attack be banned?  Would players who lose troops as a result of the hammer attack be compensated?  Would Plarium seek legal action against Master?

I ask because if the service exists, people might use it.  If people use it, you're going to hear players crying foul when bot armies destroy league resources and kill troops people have earned or paid for.

This is a double edged sword, people could start acuse real players of being bots because they get "hammerd" as well. 
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Red
28 September, 2017, 8:38 PM UTC

Gadheras said:



This is a double edged sword, people could start acuse real players of being bots because they get "hammerd" as well. 

Very true.  I have heard speculation that some of these players we see with gigantic armies obtained them through less than honest methods.  I think most of the speculation is false since the methods mentioned are things a player could not get away with for long.  

As an example, I've heard players say someone spends so much on the game because they use stolen credit cards.  When you tell your credit card company a transaction is fraud, they don't just eat the loss.  They talk to the company that charged the card.  Short story long, if you use stolen credit cards, as soon as the unauthorized transactions were discovered and reported, Plarium would be notified and your account would be banned.

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djmoody
28 September, 2017, 10:55 PM UTC

IronApex Turok said:


ive spoken with master. She lives 30 minutes away from me. It's legit. 


she runs a bot program that farms or builds troops.  you buy resources or reinforcements from her. 


Shes working on a few hammer accounts so soon you'll be able to pay the bots to take down beacons, or spam attack other leagues. that should really change the game dynamics. 

Change the dynamic to a dead server I suspect, similar to how the botting ruined the pirates.

It would be quite useful if a CM would confirm that buying game merchandise from a 3rd party was a bannable offence, or maybe it isn't.... It would be good to know though, either way.
Everyone has a right to an opinion. No one has a right to their opinion being respected by other if it can't be backed up with rational and logic explanation
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Gadheras
29 September, 2017, 12:17 AM UTC
djmoody said:

IronApex Turok said:


ive spoken with master. She lives 30 minutes away from me. It's legit. 


she runs a bot program that farms or builds troops.  you buy resources or reinforcements from her. 


Shes working on a few hammer accounts so soon you'll be able to pay the bots to take down beacons, or spam attack other leagues. that should really change the game dynamics. 

Change the dynamic to a dead server I suspect, similar to how the botting ruined the pirates.

It would be quite useful if a CM would confirm that buying game merchandise from a 3rd party was a bannable offence, or maybe it isn't.... It would be good to know though, either way.
You can't really prove you bought anything, beause its not like ingame assets get moved from one account to another. Unless someone hand Plarium solid evidence of transaction took place and for what service. It would be next to impossible to prove.
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IronApex Turok
29 September, 2017, 4:05 PM UTC
Alina Phoenix said:

Hello.

Such accounts as Master should be reported to the Support Team: https://plariumsupport.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new

From our end, we're running an automatic check and block such accounts. 


ive given y ou her phone number and address.  Clearly the higher ups at plarium arent offended by her actions so why bother reporting? 
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IronApex Turok
29 September, 2017, 4:09 PM UTC

think about all the money being sent to the master account.....


thats being turned into sapphires to build hundreds of hammers.



The bots are plariums biggest customers right now. they are out coining all of you.  who's side do you think plarium is on? 




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IronApex Turok
29 September, 2017, 4:11 PM UTC

plarium still gets  your money when you spend with master.   She just charges a 15% fee and sends the left overs back to plarium by buying sapphs. 



when you spend $100 dollars with her, she keeps $15 and buys $75 worth of sapphs. 


that transaction happens hundreds of times a day

   plarium wins and you are funding the hammer that will eventually defeat you. 



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BiohazarD
Moderator
30 September, 2017, 12:36 AM UTC
djmoody said:

IronApex Turok said:


ive spoken with master. She lives 30 minutes away from me. It's legit. 


she runs a bot program that farms or builds troops.  you buy resources or reinforcements from her. 


Shes working on a few hammer accounts so soon you'll be able to pay the bots to take down beacons, or spam attack other leagues. that should really change the game dynamics. 

Change the dynamic to a dead server I suspect, similar to how the botting ruined the pirates.

It would be quite useful if a CM would confirm that buying game merchandise from a 3rd party was a bannable offence, or maybe it isn't.... It would be good to know though, either way.
I looked at the prices they charge, if you know what you're doing it's much cheaper to just buy the troops yourself on you own account.  ex: It cost about $2200 to buy 100m defense from the master site.  
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IronApex Turok
30 September, 2017, 1:17 AM UTC

BiohazarD said:


djmoody said:


IronApex Turok said:


ive spoken with master. She lives 30 minutes away from me. It's legit. 


she runs a bot program that farms or builds troops.  you buy resources or reinforcements from her. 


Shes working on a few hammer accounts so soon you'll be able to pay the bots to take down beacons, or spam attack other leagues. that should really change the game dynamics. 

Change the dynamic to a dead server I suspect, similar to how the botting ruined the pirates.

It would be quite useful if a CM would confirm that buying game merchandise from a 3rd party was a bannable offence, or maybe it isn't.... It would be good to know though, either way.
I looked at the prices they charge, if you know what you're doing it's much cheaper to just buy the troops yourself on you own account.  ex: It cost about $2200 to buy 100m defense from the master site.  

yeah, but you arent feeding  a defense.  if you buy it from master.   


all your food resources can go towards offense. 
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BiohazarD
Moderator
30 September, 2017, 6:29 PM UTC
IronApex Turok said:

BiohazarD said:


djmoody said:


IronApex Turok said:


ive spoken with master. She lives 30 minutes away from me. It's legit. 


she runs a bot program that farms or builds troops.  you buy resources or reinforcements from her. 


Shes working on a few hammer accounts so soon you'll be able to pay the bots to take down beacons, or spam attack other leagues. that should really change the game dynamics. 

Change the dynamic to a dead server I suspect, similar to how the botting ruined the pirates.

It would be quite useful if a CM would confirm that buying game merchandise from a 3rd party was a bannable offence, or maybe it isn't.... It would be good to know though, either way.
I looked at the prices they charge, if you know what you're doing it's much cheaper to just buy the troops yourself on you own account.  ex: It cost about $2200 to buy 100m defense from the master site.  

yeah, but you arent feeding  a defense.  if you buy it from master.   


all your food resources can go towards offense. 
If you're spending that much money you're not really concerned with the food cost though since units don't die if you run out of food anymore.  And since you can buy over 3x as much for the same price just doing it yourself, I don't see why anyone would buy it from master except for lack of knowledge of how to do it theirself.  
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IronApex Turok
30 September, 2017, 7:12 PM UTC

BiohazarD said:


IronApex Turok said:


BiohazarD said:


djmoody said:


IronApex Turok said:


ive spoken with master. She lives 30 minutes away from me. It's legit. 


she runs a bot program that farms or builds troops.  you buy resources or reinforcements from her. 


Shes working on a few hammer accounts so soon you'll be able to pay the bots to take down beacons, or spam attack other leagues. that should really change the game dynamics. 

Change the dynamic to a dead server I suspect, similar to how the botting ruined the pirates.

It would be quite useful if a CM would confirm that buying game merchandise from a 3rd party was a bannable offence, or maybe it isn't.... It would be good to know though, either way.
I looked at the prices they charge, if you know what you're doing it's much cheaper to just buy the troops yourself on you own account.  ex: It cost about $2200 to buy 100m defense from the master site.  

yeah, but you arent feeding  a defense.  if you buy it from master.   


all your food resources can go towards offense. 
If you're spending that much money you're not really concerned with the food cost though since units don't die if you run out of food anymore.  And since you can buy over 3x as much for the same price just doing it yourself, I don't see why anyone would buy it from master except for lack of knowledge of how to do it theirself.  

and yet.....


master is still in business all these  years later. 
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Alina Phoenix
Community Manager
2 October, 2017, 10:55 AM UTC

Hello, Lords and Ladies.

Usage of the bot accounts and selling Resources is not allowed by our policy. 

Accepting such Offers and getting Resources from such third-party accounts is not allowed as well.

All these actions can lead to the ban of your account.

We're running the regular automatic check on the servers and ban bot accounts.  

From your end, you need to report such accounts to Support team. Please note that Support team will not inform you about the results of their check and about the measures that were taken to the reported accounts as it's against our Privacy policy.

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