djmoody said:

This is to stop ppl using alts to gain PvP.

It also acts to deter ppl from bully small players to get their PvP.

Stop players from use alts to gain pvp ... now that was a funny one...

djmoody said:

Gadheras said:

djmoody said:

This is to stop ppl using alts to gain PvP.

It also acts to deter ppl from bully small players to get their PvP.

Stop players from use alts to gain pvp ... now that was a funny one...

Yes - you cant send low amounts of troops from many small alts to a heavily defended main that will take no losses from the activity.

Or you can take small amounts from a lot of alts and stack def at a place and hit it. This I seen happend several times.

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:

Guys, if you are defending yourself, you get points for your lost Units, not for the Offense killed. Moreover, our game is not about local fights, it's about epic battles. the more the battle, the more points you gain 

The only epic battle I done in a long time was in TW:WH and facing 3 whaaargs with a rabble empire army. No offense -)

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:

Guys, if you are defending yourself, you get points for your lost Units, not for the Offense killed.

So defenders only get decent points if they take heavy losses, but attackers always get good points even when they suffer zero losses?

That seems fair - not

I thought the whole point of building castle walls was to reduce our defensive losses and increase the attacker's losses, but this will also reduce our tournament points??

Further proof that plarium hates defenders - so why don't we all hide in the catacombs for a month and watch this biased game collapse?

Tony Hobson said:

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:

Guys, if you are defending yourself, you get points for your lost Units, not for the Offense killed.

So defenders only get decent points if they take heavy losses, but attackers always get good points even when they suffer zero losses?

That seems fair - not

I thought the whole point of building castle walls was to reduce our defensive losses and increase the attacker's losses, but this will also reduce our tournament points??

Further proof that plarium hates defenders - so why don't we all hide in the catacombs for a month and watch this biased game collapse?

My Lord, It's just an assumption on your part. For many times there was statement that game is well balanced.
 

soooooo...why have a defense at all?

if you only get points for dfense troops lost and not what you killed, 

why not just make your defense troops entirely out of archers and let them get slaughtered.  no need for those expensive food eating bestiary units.

Tony Hobson said:

 so why don't we all hide in the catacombs for a month and watch this biased game collapse?

we h ave been doing that for a year. thats why plarium is making desperate grabs at ways to make more money off of saphires.

Vladimir Stojanovic said:

Tony Hobson said:

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:

Guys, if you are defending yourself, you get points for your lost Units, not for the Offense killed.

So defenders only get decent points if they take heavy losses, but attackers always get good points even when they suffer zero losses?

That seems fair - not

I thought the whole point of building castle walls was to reduce our defensive losses and increase the attacker's losses, but this will also reduce our tournament points??

Further proof that plarium hates defenders - so why don't we all hide in the catacombs for a month and watch this biased game collapse?

My Lord, It's just an assumption on your part. For many times there was statement that game is well balanced.
 

Do you have same definition of balance as Alyona, or this is some new term?

You must be kidding.

Vladimir Stojanovic said:

My Lord, It's just an assumption on your part. For many times there was statement that game is well balanced.

 

One example should suffice ......

Zero-loss attacker gets 108 Tournament Points - http://prntscr.com/bgeq7z

Defender loses 97% but only gets 21 Tournament Points - http://prntscr.com/bgejl0

Even 30% free restore cannot repair the damage

This game encourages bullies to send infinite, unfed armies to attack weak opponents - 'nuff said?

But even with equal strength armies the defender will suffer heavier losses and get fewer tournament points

Tony Hobson said:

Vladimir Stojanovic said:

My Lord, It's just an assumption on your part. For many times there was statement that game is well balanced.

 

One example should suffice ......

Zero-loss attacker gets 108 Tournament Points - http://prntscr.com/bgeq7z

Defender loses 97% but only gets 21 Tournament Points - http://prntscr.com/bgejl0

Even 30% free restore cannot repair the damage

This game encourages bullies to send infinite, unfed armies to attack weak opponents - 'nuff said?

But even with equal strength armies the defender will suffer heavier losses and get fewer tournament points

You are sending Legendary and Bestiary units vs Cavalry units and you want to prove something  

I can't find because somebody clever remove and/or protect old posts, but for Plarium stuff ( ) should be very important to read some old posts - discussions had much more sense (I didn't understand how answer could be empty and I wasn't satisfied with them - but after today's comments old ones have precious value).

Point for today is:

There is Lord Oberon's post about battle calculation, pretty much revealed and explained about battle mechanics. Read it for your good.

Drogar61 said:

I can't find because somebody clever remove and/or protect old posts, but for Plarium stuff ( ) should be very important to read some old posts - discussions had much more sense (I didn't understand how answer could be empty and I wasn't satisfied with them - but after today's comments old ones have precious value).

Point for today is:

There is Lord Oberon's post about battle calculation, pretty much revealed and explained about battle mechanics. Read it for your good.

I assume that you are referring to this - http://prntscr.com/bgrn44

taken from facebook page - https://www.facebook.com/StormfallCommunity/photos/a.455590444492138.114079.450552231662626/993694780681699/?type=3&theater

Simplified this becomes B/(A+B)

Unfortunately, this algorithm has been nerfed, adding an EXTRA 5% casualties to defender's losses .... as usual, attackers do not suffer from this nerf

If you need to see this nerf in action then send 100 pikes to attack 200 archers at any low level castle with no walls etc. (identical strength armies)

Defender will win the battle, but lose a higher percentage of units than the attacker - and is still likely to get fewer tournament points

richard.plantagenet said:

Drogar61 said:

I can't find because somebody clever remove and/or protect old posts, but for Plarium stuff ( ) should be very important to read some old posts - discussions had much more sense (I didn't understand how answer could be empty and I wasn't satisfied with them - but after today's comments old ones have precious value).

Point for today is:

There is Lord Oberon's post about battle calculation, pretty much revealed and explained about battle mechanics. Read it for your good.

I assume that you are referring to this - http://prntscr.com/bgrn44

taken from facebook page - https://www.facebook.com/StormfallCommunity/photos/a.455590444492138.114079.450552231662626/993694780681699/?type=3&theater

Simplified this becomes B/(A+B)

Unfortunately, this algorithm has been nerfed, adding an EXTRA 5% casualties to defender's losses .... as usual, attackers do not suffer from this nerf

If you need to see this nerf in action then send 100 pikes to attack 200 archers at any low level castle with no walls etc. (identical strength armies)

Defender will win the battle, but lose a higher percentage of units than the attacker - and is still likely to get fewer tournament points

Exactly, congrats 

I'm not sure why you're being so unkind in your posts, Drogar61. The post you're referring to is in Game Discussion thread: http://plarium.com/forum/en/stormfall-age-of-war/game-discussion/topics/calculate-the-outcome-of-a-battle-/. Nobody has removed it. 

And by the way, please check our Forum Rules. 

3. By joining our Community, users agree NOT to: 

3.15 Create posts discussing forum moderation decisions, such as banning, closing forum threads, deleting forum posts / threads, etc. 

This is my first warning on this matter.

Spot the difference

Attacker - http://prntscr.com/bh2xbl

Defender - http://prntscr.com/bh2dxq

2 (virtually) identical armies clash at a neutral castle and the defender is victorious - Hooray!!

... but defender loses 56% and only gets 301 tournament points

The attacker is defeated, but only loses 50% and is given 315 tournament points

It seems to me that victory and defeat have no meaning in this game because the attacker will always win.
He will always lose fewer units but will gain more points, even when the 2 armies have the same overall strength.
This shows a blatant game bias - defender always loses an extra 6% and gets fewer points.

Defensive strength - http://prntscr.com/bh1kls
26980/19x20 = 28400 infantry defense

Offensive strength - http://prntscr.com/bh1jip

Please try to prove me wrong - but show screenshots and calculations

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:

I'm not sure why you're being so unkind in your posts, Drogar61. The post you're referring to is in Game Discussion thread: http://plarium.com/forum/en/stormfall-age-of-war/game-discussion/topics/calculate-the-outcome-of-a-battle-/. Nobody has removed it. 

And by the way, please check our Forum Rules. 

3. By joining our Community, users agree NOT to: 

 

3.15 Create posts discussing forum moderation decisions, such as banning, closing forum threads, deleting forum posts / threads, etc. 

This is my first warning on this matter.

IronApex Turok said:

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:

I'm not sure why you're being so unkind in your posts, Drogar61. The post you're referring to is in Game Discussion thread: http://plarium.com/forum/en/stormfall-age-of-war/game-discussion/topics/calculate-the-outcome-of-a-battle-/. Nobody has removed it. 

And by the way, please check our Forum Rules. 

3. By joining our Community, users agree NOT to: 

 

3.15 Create posts discussing forum moderation decisions, such as banning, closing forum threads, deleting forum posts / threads, etc. 

This is my first warning on this matter.

WOW!!!!  thats bad when you have to make rule that players arent allowed to complain about you!!!!!

Makes me ponder, who do we complain about forum mods to? Oberon?

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:

I'm not sure why you're being so unkind in your posts, Drogar61. The post you're referring to is in Game Discussion thread: http://plarium.com/forum/en/stormfall-age-of-war/game-discussion/topics/calculate-the-outcome-of-a-battle-/. Nobody has removed it. 

And by the way, please check our Forum Rules. 

3. By joining our Community, users agree NOT to: 

 

3.15 Create posts discussing forum moderation decisions, such as banning, closing forum threads, deleting forum posts / threads, etc. 

This is my first warning on this matter.

When I make mistake I apologize. So, I apologize for my reaction.

Just a little explanation, I couldn't find it, your search couldn't find it. I'm glad that you found it, that was goal.

About your rule. If you implement your rule in all you could close forum because 90% posts on your posts exactly break that rule.

And, if you do that, many public forums, not under your control, will get that posts. I'm happy hear, and everything else is up to you.

Do you have some rule about punishment Plarium representatives for ignorance, lies and arrogance? Maybe the players should need them one day.

Makes me ponder, who do we complain about forum mods to? Oberon?