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question about fortress attack protection during capture the flag tournament

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Sir_bit_yakin
26 June, 2017, 3:05 AM UTC

I was told by support to come here to get answers to my questions about this

"I understand that the game is complex and it may be a daunting task to try to figure out how things work on your own. Our community an excellent platform to discuss all the game-related question, share experience, get game tips. Interacting with fellow players and moderators you will get your questions answered."


so here is my question,  after your fortress is successfully attacked you are supposed to get a min 1 hr attack protection, but at the end of the last tournament our fortress was hit by two players from the same league  7 times in under 3 minutes (4 in under 60 seconds) with aprox 5 min left in the tourney and I am wondering how this is possible


here is a screen shot


https://prntscr.com/fje7i1

can someone explain to me how this is possible?

support just said, everything is working fine with absolutely ZERO explaination and told me to come here and ask

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sison
26 June, 2017, 8:45 AM UTC

it can be attacted but it can t be downgraded for 24 hours


also infrom your members that they should nt attack to another fortress for the next 24 hours because the "downgrade"protection will probably stop exist( i am not completely sure about it)


for futher infos read https://plarium.com/forum/en/stormfall-age-of-war/game-tutorials/23566_league-fortress-2/?post=124843


over there i found what i told you here,check byourlesf and your answer will be solved :)
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Oracle
26 June, 2017, 4:49 PM UTC

If your Fortress is successfully attacked, you shall receive temporary protection from further attacks. This will apply as follows :


- TWO hours ' protection against the league that launched the most recent successful attack;


So the league that just hit you, and took a flag will not be able to do so again in 2 hrs


- ONE hour 's protection against all other league.


These means youou are safe from everyone for the next hour. 


NOTE


If a league under protection launches an attack against another League Fortress, that League shall lose their protection against the League they have attacked .


So if your members attack a league while you are bubbled, your Bubble is lost to only that League you attacked. 


NOTE: There are no restrictions on attacking a league fortress that has your league' s Flag .



So if you have a league flag, they can hit you at any time, your Bubble doesn't apply to leagues you have taken a flag from.

 .

Gedleyihlekisa: Oracle the postremogeniture
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djmoody
27 June, 2017, 5:42 PM UTC

That is a bit of a naff response from customer support.

And the question arises because Plarium provides no guides or explanations of the more complex features. When new features come out, it's only by trial and error we generally know how things works.

So it's a sort of doubly bad response, complete lack of interest, compounding Plarium's initial complete lack of interest.

Btw under forum rules you aren't really supposed to post your private responses from Plarium, although how much a standard generic cut and paste response can be considered private could be argued.
Everyone has a right to an opinion. No one has a right to their opinion being respected by other if it can't be backed up with rational and logic explanation
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Sir_bit_yakin
28 June, 2017, 1:01 AM UTC

Oracle said:



If your Fortress is successfully attacked, you shall receive temporary protection from further attacks. This will apply as follows :


- TWO hours ' protection against the league that launched the most recent successful attack;


So the league that just hit you, and took a flag will not be able to do so again in 2 hrs


- ONE hour 's protection against all other league.


These means youou are safe from everyone for the next hour. 


NOTE


If a league under protection launches an attack against another League Fortress, that League shall lose their protection against the League they have attacked .


So if your members attack a league while you are bubbled, your Bubble is lost to only that League you attacked. 


NOTE: There are no restrictions on attacking a league fortress that has your league' s Flag .



So if you have a league flag, they can hit you at any time, your Bubble doesn't apply to leagues you have taken a flag from.

 .

except NONE of those scenerios apply to the screenshot I put up


let me address each point you mentioned, (BTW only post what support said to show I TRIED to get a direct answer and they sent me HERE)

you said "So the league that just hit you, and took a flag will not be able to do so again in 2 hrs"


as you can see, the league that attacked us hit us no less than 7 times in under 3 min,  4 times in the first 60 seconds....

then you say "So if your members attack a league while you are bubbled, your Bubble is lost to only that League you attacked.


for them to attack us 4 times in 60 seconds, that means,  they attack,  we attack, they launch 2nd attack in 15 seconds


lets assume that's possible

round TWO    their attack hits,  we see it, select units, send, boost,  they see it, select troops, send, boost  that 8 separate actions in less than 15 seconds


but OK  lets just say ALL that is possible

you  say if we have their flag  all protections are off, if we hit them protections are OFF

if we either  hit them OR  took their flag it would mean we would have AT LEAST ONE FLAG THEN,  RIGHT???


explain THIS to me then


these are the last 4 attacks  it will show we had ONE flag on the 4th to last attack, (which they took)   and ZERO FLAGS   for the last three attacks


so if we had ZERO flags, we had ZERO successful attacks  on ANYONE, much less them, also if we had ZERO flag we did not have THIER flag



https://prntscr.com/fjyopq


https://prntscr.com/fjyot9


https://prntscr.com/fjyoyh


https://prntscr.com/fjyp2x





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Sir_bit_yakin
28 June, 2017, 1:07 AM UTC

I was rather insulted by support telling me I just wasn't SMART ENOUGH to figure this all out...

everything that was told to me so far I already KNEW, I have participated in this tournament at least 5 times now


our league has gotten reward every single time in this event,  EXCEPT this last one


it CLEAR to me this was a bug exploit, they sent 7 attacks as fast as they could load em up

you don't just LUCK into 7 successful attacks like that, it was CLEARLY planned and coordinated by these two players


BTW oracle, I am perfectly fine with accepting your explainations so long as they FIT the evidence of what actually HAPPENED

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sison
28 June, 2017, 8:40 AM UTC

fortress can t be downgraded for some time after of a downgrade

flag problem is something else,attacks always can happend, every single second, nobody can stop it but downgrade protecion is something specific and clear

if something happend with downgrade bring,it,if you had flag problem keep in mind that there is no limit in attacks

 

*i am not specialist i try to help you feel free to let us know if it covers you or not the answers


thanks

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Mad Roy
28 June, 2017, 4:40 PM UTC
So bad responses lol... Bit_Yakin, sent you a mail in the game.
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sison
28 June, 2017, 9:32 PM UTC
Mad Roy said:

So bad responses lol... Bit_Yakin, sent you a mail in the game.
you can share your experience with us,all players should learn what is their mistake apart from hearing that they gave a bad response,does it help on the improvment  of our knowlege this answer ?,what do you think :)
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BiohazarD
Moderator
29 June, 2017, 5:13 AM UTC
Sir_bit_yakin said:

I was rather insulted by support telling me I just wasn't SMART ENOUGH to figure this all out...

everything that was told to me so far I already KNEW, I have participated in this tournament at least 5 times now


our league has gotten reward every single time in this event,  EXCEPT this last one


it CLEAR to me this was a bug exploit, they sent 7 attacks as fast as they could load em up

you don't just LUCK into 7 successful attacks like that, it was CLEARLY planned and coordinated by these two players


BTW oracle, I am perfectly fine with accepting your explainations so long as they FIT the evidence of what actually HAPPENED

I can't quite tell what you're asking.  But you should keep in mind that the other league may have a spy account in your league, so they could just have it send an attack at their fortress then cancel the attack, which would then let them attack yours while you're under protection. 
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DrFondles
Moderator
30 June, 2017, 1:24 AM UTC

Mad Roy said:


So bad responses lol... Bit_Yakin, sent you a mail in the game.

Haha thank you for doing so man, I was just about to do the same till I read your post

If you still have issues shoot me a pm and I'll be clear as I can. Wish you luck in 10 hours 

Josh/Synergy S3
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Sir_bit_yakin
30 June, 2017, 5:14 AM UTC

sison said:


fortress can t be downgraded for some time after of a downgrade

flag problem is something else,attacks always can happend, every single second, nobody can stop it but downgrade protecion is something specific and clear

if something happend with downgrade bring,it,if you had flag problem keep in mind that there is no limit in attacks

 

*i am not specialist i try to help you feel free to let us know if it covers you or not the answers


thanks

not going into a long explination but you are mistaken

after a SUCCESSFULL attack you get a MIN 1 hr ATTACK protection during the flag tourny

it's nullified if you make a successful attack...


which was explained by oracle.

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Sir_bit_yakin
30 June, 2017, 5:42 AM UTC

BiohazarD said:


Sir_bit_yakin said:


I was rather insulted by support telling me I just wasn't SMART ENOUGH to figure this all out...

everything that was told to me so far I already KNEW, I have participated in this tournament at least 5 times now


our league has gotten reward every single time in this event,  EXCEPT this last one


it CLEAR to me this was a bug exploit, they sent 7 attacks as fast as they could load em up

you don't just LUCK into 7 successful attacks like that, it was CLEARLY planned and coordinated by these two players


BTW oracle, I am perfectly fine with accepting your explainations so long as they FIT the evidence of what actually HAPPENED

I can't quite tell what you're asking.  But you should keep in mind that the other league may have a spy account in your league, so they could just have it send an attack at their fortress then cancel the attack, which would then let them attack yours while you're under protection. 

after 5 times playing this tourney, its possible I am mistaken and feel free to test this, but   I do  not think you can send an attack then cancel it,  for it to bring your protection down it has to be a SUCCESSFULL attack


I can tell you this,  we've played this tourney ALOT, the protection part has been spotty at best, but until now I didn't have such CLEAR evidence that it was buggy so I didn't bring it up....


but 7 attacks in under 3 minutes is pretty clear that this was a bug exploitation


its just not physically possible to do all the mouse clicks, screen changes,  including travel times,  (even with boosts) and waiting/watching for protection to come down due to attacks by our league and launch 4 separate attacks in under 60 seconds


you do realize not only would THEY have to boost 4 attacks, but our players would have to boost 3 attacks back at them


PS. regarding spies in my league, I am 99% sure that's NOT the case


PSS. you said you can't quite understand what I am asking

what I am asking is for SOMEONE to explain to me HOW its possible for 7 SEPERATE attacks to take place in under 60 seconds

4 from then at us and 3 from us at them    that 7 separate attacks,   that 7 times    troops  selected,    attacks launched,   boosts engaged  at a average of 8.5 seconds each


lets say they are CLOSE and  with thieves they are 90 seconds away,   1 50% boost brings it down to  45 seconds,  when you do your next boost with it beingunder 60 seconds away you get the  ARE YOU SURE message  you clikc YES and now you are down to 22 seconds    another boost another  ARE YOU SURE MESSAGE  and you are down to 11 seconds   another click and ANOTHER  ARE YOU SURE message  and you are down to 5 seconds, another click and ANOTHER are you sure message and you are down to 2 seconds,  ALL THOSE CLICKS,  PLUS selecting troops and launching then   in 8.5 seconds???  REALLLLLLLLLLLYY


THAT'S the explanation you want me to accept??? 

and let's not forget that WHOLE PROCESS has to be done  7 times!!!!


BTW since a new flag tourney starts in a few hrs, I AM going to test this  launch/cancel theory


I don't think it will work, I am pretty sure  it has to be a SUCCESSFULL ATTACK

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Sir_bit_yakin
30 June, 2017, 1:47 PM UTC

sison said:


Mad Roy said:


So bad responses lol... Bit_Yakin, sent you a mail in the game.
you can share your experience with us,all players should learn what is their mistake apart from hearing that they gave a bad response,does it help on the improvment  of our knowlege this answer ?,what do you think :)

you asked me to share my experiences...


which experiences are you referring to?  my game experience in this tourney or my experience with support when I tried to show them there is a bug?


I think I am not allowed to tell/say here what was said by support, but to say it was less than satisfactory would be the understatement of the century.

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sison
30 June, 2017, 2:59 PM UTC

Sir_bit_yakin said:



you asked me to share my experiences...


which experiences are you referring to?  my game experience in this tourney or my experience with support when I tried to show them there is a bug?


I think I am not allowed to tell/say here what was said by support, but to say it was less than satisfactory would be the understatement of the century.

i ask mad roy not you,i said this cause he said all answers is wrong ,i would like to hear what is his opinion

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Alina Bright
Community Manager
30 June, 2017, 3:32 PM UTC

Sir_bit_yakin said:


sison said:


Mad Roy said:


So bad responses lol... Bit_Yakin, sent you a mail in the game.
you can share your experience with us,all players should learn what is their mistake apart from hearing that they gave a bad response,does it help on the improvment  of our knowlege this answer ?,what do you think :)

you asked me to share my experiences...


which experiences are you referring to?  my game experience in this tourney or my experience with support when I tried to show them there is a bug?


I think I am not allowed to tell/say here what was said by support, but to say it was less than satisfactory would be the understatement of the century.

So can you please specify the question? 

Support referred you to the Forum because this is a gameplay question. And at this point our experienced players and moderators can help you. 


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Sir_bit_yakin
30 June, 2017, 6:38 PM UTC

Eugenia Misura said:


Sir_bit_yakin said:


sison said:


Mad Roy said:


So bad responses lol... Bit_Yakin, sent you a mail in the game.
you can share your experience with us,all players should learn what is their mistake apart from hearing that they gave a bad response,does it help on the improvment  of our knowlege this answer ?,what do you think :)

you asked me to share my experiences...


which experiences are you referring to?  my game experience in this tourney or my experience with support when I tried to show them there is a bug?


I think I am not allowed to tell/say here what was said by support, but to say it was less than satisfactory would be the understatement of the century.

So can you please specify the question? 

Support referred you to the Forum because this is a gameplay question. And at this point our experienced players and moderators can help you. 


well its clearly not a gameplay issue, it's a bug exploit, and no one here can help except to say, well if the most UNLIKELY thing that could happen, happened that's how it MIGHT have happened


I've been VERY SPECIFIC with my question but I'll ask AGAIN

explain to me how its possible for 7 separate successful attacks to happen in UNDER 60 SECONDS


could I launch 4 attacks in under 60 seconds?  SURE I COULD, but NOT IF I have to WAIT for the other league to RESPOND between attacks


league A launches an attack,  its successful  (TIMER STARTS) protection goes up, now they CANNOT ATTACK AGAIN until league B  responds and has a successful attack against them,  THEN and ONLY then can they launch attack #2,  then AGAIN they have to WAIT until league B's 2nd attack hits,  rinse and repeat until league A has completed 4 attacks in under 60 seconds


LAUNCHING and boosting multiple attacks is NOT THE ISSUE, the issue is that they CANNOT launch  2nd 3rd or 4th attacks UNTIL our league RESPONDS between attacks

I KNOW I didn't respond with attacks, and NO ONE else in the league gets a REPORT when the fortress is attacked, so they would have to use the flags reports to  try to figure out that  THAT league is who his it and THEN respond

the more I think threw this whole thing more I am SURE its just NOT POSSIBLE

sooo the next HOLE in the theory is  that my guys were just LUCKY and responded against this league 6 times, cause they DO NOT GET REPORTS to ALERT THEM that  such and such a league hit the fortress

now you say, well if they have troops in the fortress they get a report, but if you look at the screenshots you'll see the attacks were TINY, and either they would have killed a SINGLE archer OR they wouldn't have been successful attacks

NOW you have to theorize, that one or more of my guys, boosted  def into the fortress in EACH of those 8.5 second gaps so they'd get reports so they'd know WHO to attack

first I was told well if you hold their flag there is NO PROTECTION,  but I posted screen caps to show the last 3 attacks we had ZERO FLAGS, which rules THAT OUT

then most PLAUSABLE explaination is we have a SPY from their league in our league that launched and canceled attacks at them to bring our protection down

BTW if they had a spy in our league launching an canceling attacks, then WHY would they do that 3 times at the end when we had NO FLAGS...

(WHICH BTW I would ALSO classify as a BUG EXPLOIT, or at the very least a HUGE FLAW in how this is set up)

even though I am fairly certain its not just launch an attack it has to be a successful attack

not to mention that would be some AWSOME forethought and planning to  place a spy in our league early enough that we wouldn't suspect it, especially when we've had ZERO interaction with this league prior to this occasion

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Alina Bright
Community Manager
3 July, 2017, 3:17 PM UTC
Thank you verry much for describing this issue so detail. I'm sorry that I took some time from you. It's better to contact Support, but address this question as an issue and choose a bug-report section, thus, they can look into this case with devs and check what happened. I would really appreciate your cooperation at this matter. 
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