bgs 'payouts changed overnight?

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BiohazarD
Moderator
4 June, 2017, 7:03 PM UTC
nobody said:

whether it is a bug or intended, there are times when a player absolutely cannot get a "payout" on levels that should be filled.  a player may go 2 years without this happening to them and thinking that the players that it has happened to are just lousy players.  then it happens to them, and they are like omg did bgs get changed.

whether bgs is constantly changed which plarium denies, or if it something at least 1 1/2 years old that can happen or not happen to anyone, idk.

i doubt that it is random, but it appears random, there must be a trigger.  and getting a jackpot, higher than usual, even tho designed that way will cause there to be hell to pay.  this hell is not worth the xtra jackpot, imo.

players like lordmark have complained about not getting their scheduled payout happening to them, then they throw more troops at it than i make in a month, eventually they get a payout and thank plarium for it.  this confuses.  did lordmark get back paid in full, or is he happy to get partial payment back.  others have lost 100m resources that they are likely never to recover.

when a player begins bgs, they are superman, gaining more troops back then they lose, then a switch gets flipped around  lvl 6,7 or 24 hrs and you get the 25% losses back and the jackpot system starts.  there are switches in this game.

i ran into the situation twice 1 1/2 years ago and again when i started doing bgs again for a month, how players go 2 years without running into it, i do not know.

under normal function, bgs is a resource sink, at least for non-elite players, and then you can run into the situation, whatever it is, a bug or programmed design.

this is my tutorial on playing bgs.

DON"T
I wouldn't say don't do bgs at all, the boosts you can get from hero items certainly makes them worth doing at least a little bit.  But it definitely pays to be careful and not go overboard hitting every bg you see. 
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thefray
6 June, 2017, 2:22 AM UTC

I can state one thing that is an absolute fact about BG


If you send in a ticket you will get a response sayig something like this.


the BG are constantly being monitored and deemed working and as such this ticket will not be investigated.


Other than that they are a slot machine which keeps you playing at the hope you will get a return.


Oracle in his infinite wisdom (surprised how many don't like his un helpful responses yet he is still a mod, pays to be a yes man) said they are not a slot machine then posts from plarium there is a spin deciding if you get a payout or not. Is this a cruel joke making a person a mod who just tries to confuse us more?
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Oracle
6 June, 2017, 9:26 AM UTC
roadstar Pitbull said:

Oracle said:


djmoody said:

Those are two completely contradictory statements.....

Are people to immediately stop or to try and reproduce the bug? 

Seeing as Plarium are not willing to admit there is a problem despite being given a perfect BG log that makes it obvious and clear, I would highly recommend NOT trying to re-create the bug as you will lose twice as much which you will never get compensated for.

Several experienced players (myself included) have offered to test BG's on accounts provided by Plarium on a live server. I have a potential theory about why it happens. Would be great to be able to test that. Clearly not going to do that on a real account and lose all that person's troops.

Unfortunately, Plarium’s terms of use together with international laws governing gaming doesn’t allow Plarium to authorise such testing. Plarium is not allowed to play let alone authorise someone to play on servers that players play on. The reason being that such act will compromise the stability and balance of the game.

I am willing to help you, in whatever ways possible, getting to the bottom of the mystery behind BG’s. But I can’t do that until I see factual evidence that BG are bugged, especially when played correctly, which Jumy has proved from the logs that they are not.


Now i know you have stated (in this or another thread), that absolutely the BG's are NOT bugged.

But now you are agreeing with Jumy that there is bug??? but you do not have factual evidence of what exactly it is???

I'm gonna see about some sort of forum message block,,, your posts tend to give me a headache.

Jumy has proved, using one of the logs, that the player was not playing BG correctly, and proofed beyond doubts that BG are not bugged. Which part of my post give you a headache. As an act of kind gusture I will remove the part that is giving you a headache.
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djmoody
6 June, 2017, 8:35 PM UTC

Jumy has proved, using one of the logs, that the player was not playing BG correctly, and proofed beyond doubts that BG are not bugged. Which part of my post give you a headache. As an act of kind gusture I will remove the part that is giving you a headache.

Sorry got to call that utter BS.

Please provide this proof so it can be shown to be completely wrong.

As a side note opener, you know you can't really play BG's "incorrectly" right. There aren't ways of doing them "wrong" that lead to definite losses.

Everyone has a right to an opinion. No one has a right to their opinion being respected by other if it can't be backed up with rational and logic explanation
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Oracle
7 June, 2017, 9:32 AM UTC

djmoody said:



Jumy has proved, using one of the logs, that the player was not playing BG correctly, and proofed beyond doubts that BG are not bugged. Which part of my post give you a headache. As an act of kind gusture I will remove the part that is giving you a headache.

Sorry got to call that utter BS.

Please provide this proof so it can be shown to be completely wrong.

As a side note opener, you know you can't really play BG's "incorrectly" right. There aren't ways of doing them "wrong" that lead to definite losses.

If you take the ''tax hypothesis'' and ''spilt reward'' mechanism into consideration, you might see that there are ways of playing BG wrong. The bank can be messed, infinately, when BG are not played correctly. 

The mystery is, which way is the correct way, and which way is not. By the look of complaints, I can come to conclusion that, those complaining are playing them wrong. But these is hypothetical too. Especially because you refuse to tell how you play BG, there is no way of telling which way is wrong( as any other mechanics has been squandered. 

You hoard ways of playing BG, citing ''competitive advantage'' and further more, you refuse to reproduce events that leads to a ''so called bug''. So as it is the is no way you can get help. 

The way I see it, if Plarium was to see you interacting with BG mechanics, and then encountering the ''bug'', maybe they will help. If you tell the community how you interact with BG mechanics, maybe someone will notice something ''off'', and help yo solve your ''bug''. 

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nobody
7 June, 2017, 4:59 PM UTC

Oracle said:


djmoody said:



Jumy has proved, using one of the logs, that the player was not playing BG correctly, and proofed beyond doubts that BG are not bugged. Which part of my post give you a headache. As an act of kind gusture I will remove the part that is giving you a headache.

Sorry got to call that utter BS.

Please provide this proof so it can be shown to be completely wrong.

As a side note opener, you know you can't really play BG's "incorrectly" right. There aren't ways of doing them "wrong" that lead to definite losses.

If you take the ''tax hypothesis'' and ''spilt reward'' mechanism into consideration, you might see that there are ways of playing BG wrong. The bank can be messed, infinately, when BG are not played correctly. 

The mystery is, which way is the correct way, and which way is not. By the look of complaints, I can come to conclusion that, those complaining are playing them wrong. But these is hypothetical too. Especially because you refuse to tell how you play BG, there is no way of telling which way is wrong( as any other mechanics has been squandered. 

You hoard ways of playing BG, citing ''competitive advantage'' and further more, you refuse to reproduce events that leads to a ''so called bug''. So as it is the is no way you can get help. 

The way I see it, if Plarium was to see you interacting with BG mechanics, and then encountering the ''bug'', maybe they will help. If you tell the community how you interact with BG mechanics, maybe someone will notice something ''off'', and help yo solve your ''bug''. 

what are the odds that the average internet player will play "incorrectly", a mystery in which no one can agree what is correct and what is incorrect?

even the elite must be playing incorrectly, and they have no idea what this "incorrect" situation is, for afterward, they continue to play according to what they believe to be correct.  and for a period of time they get what they consider to be the correct scheduled payout.  this they do with no change in tactics.  then they run into the situation again.  this they do without changing tactics.

how are your tactics correct, and then without changing them incorrect, and then without changing them, correct again?  it is plariums manipulations, many triggered by their "overpayment" in their jackpot system.  like you said the bank is messed infinitely.  you must drop at least one pay grade to get a "payout"  but then you will never recover what you lost.


for a normal, casual player, all the mystery and manipulation makes it to where the only way you can play the game is incorrectly.  {against natural logic and reason.}  this in most every part of a plarium games.

my tutorial remains the same

DON'T



edit: reproducing the bug is a hard thing to do since;  1.  it is triggered by a random generated jackpot.  2.  it takes alot of resources "real life money"  for the higher levels who know what they are doing.


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djmoody
7 June, 2017, 6:59 PM UTC

Oracle said:


you refuse to reproduce events that leads to a ''so called bug''. So as it is the is no way you can get help. 

The way I see it, if Plarium was to see you interacting with BG mechanics, and then encountering the ''bug'', maybe they will help. If you tell the community how you interact with BG mechanics, maybe someone will notice something ''off'', and help yo solve your ''bug''. 


The question I asked was for you to provide proof / evidence to back up what you posted.

I knew there was no substance to what you posted because I use the forums A LOT and I know Jumy never posted anything near the definitive proof you suggested. 

What I didn't ask you do was yet again make up a bullshit statement slandering me personally. Now the 3rd thread you have done that in.

You can't just make stuff up about people you don't like because they ask you difficult questions. It's totally shameless and bang out of order. 

Far from refusing to provide evidence I have helped TheBeast with his log, hosted it on my webspace so everyone can see it and posted and discussed multiple times in many threads how it definitively proves there is a bug. 

I have offered to test the live server if Plarium provide the accounts.

I have offered multiple times both on the forum and in private conversation to get on voice comms with Plarium to explain the problem.

What do I get for that - a Mod making up Bullshit about me. 

Shame on you. Shame on Plarium for blindly supporting one of the worst trolls on the forum.

Everyone has a right to an opinion. No one has a right to their opinion being respected by other if it can't be backed up with rational and logic explanation
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DraK
7 June, 2017, 9:31 PM UTC

BGs have some serious issues. added a lot more than just interest and guess what, got out empty handed. same thing happens to league mate today. And i might say im no expert on BGs but i do very good math, and mate is expert on BGs and got the same result as i did. Bgs have issue. and there should be clear and visible pot in eagles nest so people can actually see whats going on insted of having spreadsheets with calculators installed. So if Plarium has enough resources to develop more and more things for the game its unbelievable that they don't have resources to build a small ( big ) help for players that enjoy doing BGs. So please Plarium do a miracle and create some kind of tool for players that spend money and time on this nice game. 

As it goes for proofs and so on, well you lads have all data needed to check some of accounts that are reporting big loses. Sit down, take your precious 10-15min and run the numbers. Don't just leave message you did something wrong, BGs are working perfectly.
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roadstar Pitbull
7 June, 2017, 11:27 PM UTC

Oracle said:


djmoody said:



Jumy has proved, using one of the logs, that the player was not playing BG correctly, and proofed beyond doubts that BG are not bugged. Which part of my post give you a headache. As an act of kind gusture I will remove the part that is giving you a headache.

Sorry got to call that utter BS.

Please provide this proof so it can be shown to be completely wrong.

As a side note opener, you know you can't really play BG's "incorrectly" right. There aren't ways of doing them "wrong" that lead to definite losses.

If you take the ''tax hypothesis'' and ''spilt reward'' mechanism into consideration, you might see that there are ways of playing BG wrong. The bank can be messed, infinately, when BG are not played correctly. 

The mystery is, which way is the correct way, and which way is not. By the look of complaints, I can come to conclusion that, those complaining are playing them wrong. But these is hypothetical too. Especially because you refuse to tell how you play BG, there is no way of telling which way is wrong( as any other mechanics has been squandered. 

You hoard ways of playing BG, citing ''competitive advantage'' and further more, you refuse to reproduce events that leads to a ''so called bug''. So as it is the is no way you can get help. 

The way I see it, if Plarium was to see you interacting with BG mechanics, and then encountering the ''bug'', maybe they will help. If you tell the community how you interact with BG mechanics, maybe someone will notice something ''off'', and help yo solve your ''bug''. 

Quote #1...The bank can be messed, infinately, when BG are not played correctly. 

Quote#2....The mystery is, which way is the correct way, and which way is not.

Quote#3....I can come to conclusion that, those complaining are playing them wrong. But these is hypothetical too.

Quote#4....You hoard ways of playing BG, citing ''competitive advantage'' 


Somehow you managed to completely contradict yourself with #'s 1,2,3, so why bother post such nonsense??? Oh right, your the all knowing....

As to #4, many players have certain was of playing differently, that they feel is advantageous. Here you just sound like a crying child wanting to know what the other kids know.

And, I do not recall DJM asking for your help...

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Oracle
8 June, 2017, 3:36 PM UTC

djmoody said:

What I didn't ask you do was yet again make up a bullshit statement slandering me personally. Now the 3rd thread you have done that in.

You can't just make stuff up about people you don't like because they ask you difficult questions. It's totally shameless and bang out of order. 


You're are very sensitive. I haven't slandered you, Nor am I actively attacking you. I don't want to become your enemy. I wish we could have better understanding with each other. 

I don't know how is stating your actions which are publicly known is slander. We know you're good in BG. But refuse all the time to tell of the secrets of how you are ''soo good in BG''. We know that as a fact. So how is saying DJ moody don't make BG tutorials an act of slander when in fact you haven't made BG tutorials. 

About the second part. 

I like to discuss and expand in many things you say. Sometimes I do it to force you to expand. You might feel ''offended'' by me asking you questions and begging for an expansion. But I only do it because I value you as a member of the forum. And I know that you try to be as helpful as possible, unlike many. You are also able to cast aside your difference and help players. So as a moderator, responding to your posts is an obligation, especially on matters of you saying there is a bug. Its my duty to find out if there is a bug, and so far I have tried to push you to produce evidence, or explain one that you have. 

The truth is you have confused me with someone else, or think I represent someone else (maybe of a misunderstanding we might have in the past, or from bad intel). So you see every reply I make to you as an attack. 


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Oracle
8 June, 2017, 3:43 PM UTC

DraK said:


BGs have some serious issues. added a lot more than just interest and guess what, got out empty handed. same thing happens to league mate today. And i might say im no expert on BGs but i do very good math, and mate is expert on BGs and got the same result as i did. Bgs have issue. and there should be clear and visible pot in eagles nest so people can actually see whats going on insted of having spreadsheets with calculators installed. So if Plarium has enough resources to develop more and more things for the game its unbelievable that they don't have resources to build a small ( big ) help for players that enjoy doing BGs. So please Plarium do a miracle and create some kind of tool for players that spend money and time on this nice game. 

As it goes for proofs and so on, well you lads have all data needed to check some of accounts that are reporting big loses. Sit down, take your precious 10-15min and run the numbers. Don't just leave message you did something wrong, BGs are working perfectly.

That is a good suggestion. Why don't you expand your suggestion and put it into the suggestion thread. Plarium is always willing to help its players as much as it can and will consider every suggestion players have. or support some from players. 

Plarium is also willing to provide resources to support production of tools that will help its players outside the game. So if you have an idea, Contact plarium and put it into the suggestion thread.

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Oracle
8 June, 2017, 3:55 PM UTC

roadstar Pitbull said: 

Quote #1...The bank can be messed, infinately, when BG are not played correctly. 

Quote#2....The mystery is, which way is the correct way, and which way is not.

Quote#3....I can come to conclusion that, those complaining are playing them wrong. But these is hypothetical too.

Quote#4....You hoard ways of playing BG, citing ''competitive advantage'' 


Somehow you managed to completely contradict yourself with #'s 1,2,3, so why bother post such nonsense??? Oh right, your the all knowing....

As to #4, many players have certain was of playing differently, that they feel is advantageous. Here you just sound like a crying child wanting to know what the other kids know.

And, I do not recall DJM asking for your help...

Can you read the whole thread, and develop a theme as to how the conversation is going before you respond. Those qoutes are expansion of the consersation that where had before. You would have made a better post of instead our asked how

For expample if you read you would have seen the converation around Qoute 1 as follows

''The bank could be messed up(something DJ said its not possible, and I explained it is, a bank can become negative, read Lord Nobody post, when he explain how ''jackpot system'' can lead to these. ''

Please be constructive, logical in your post and stop trolling me, or actively flaming me, it won't and can't work. 

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roadstar Pitbull
8 June, 2017, 4:22 PM UTC

Oracle said:


roadstar Pitbull said: 

Quote #1...The bank can be messed, infinately, when BG are not played correctly. 

Quote#2....The mystery is, which way is the correct way, and which way is not.

Quote#3....I can come to conclusion that, those complaining are playing them wrong. But these is hypothetical too.

Quote#4....You hoard ways of playing BG, citing ''competitive advantage'' 


Somehow you managed to completely contradict yourself with #'s 1,2,3, so why bother post such nonsense??? Oh right, your the all knowing....

As to #4, many players have certain was of playing differently, that they feel is advantageous. Here you just sound like a crying child wanting to know what the other kids know.

And, I do not recall DJM asking for your help...

Can you read the whole thread, and develop a theme as to how the conversation is going before you respond. Those qoutes are expansion of the consersation that where had before. You would have made a better post of instead our asked how

For expample if you read you would have seen the converation around Qoute 1 as follows

''The bank could be messed up(something DJ said its not possible, and I explained it is, a bank can become negative, read Lord Nobody post, when he explain how ''jackpot system'' can lead to these. ''

Please be constructive, logical in your post and stop trolling me, or actively flaming me, it won't and can't work. 

But you sure do make it easy....when you heed your own advice "constructive, logical" posts i can stop also.

Have you not noticed, when your posts are  "constructive, logical", i do tend to stay away....

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Oracle
8 June, 2017, 5:07 PM UTC

roadstar Pitbull said:

But you sure do make it easy....when you heed your own advice "constructive, logical" posts i can stop also.

Have you not noticed, when your posts are  "constructive, logical", i do tend to stay away....

Thanks for admitting to these. 


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OCTAVIAN
8 June, 2017, 5:26 PM UTC

Oracle said:


Well to further add to what JUGLAR DEL VIENTO said

I will say these could have happened


  1. The player have not banked correctly.
    E.g banking low BG and hitting high level( but these should not matter much), or
    not banking all the bank needs before completing a BG, All resources have to be put in, plus up to 25% bank.

  2. The player was using a bad method of doing BG,
    E.g all in method above level 50
    defending and offending with wrong unit types
  3.  The player immediately tossed his reward back into the bank, these inflated his bank, at a level of up to 15% in bank value per BG. These could have easily happened if she hit a sweetspot BG and did many BG immediately after. thus losing his sweetspot rewards(by banking it back) and accumulating more indues fees as she does more BG  

If you are using the banking method remember, every BG has its separate bank value. And if you need rewards, you need to pay each each BG what is due. Think of a BG as a ATM, and not a slot machine, every time you  make a withdrawal the bank charges you fees of up to 15%. So if you withdraw from 10 ATM, you will be have to pay back 10 times 15% back, in every resources you gain back. These is the foundation of the banking method, and many people don't get it. To maximize your reward, make sure that every time you withdraw from your ATM when your are in a sweetspot region. To minimize your rewards, withdraw only when the balance you can get back from your ATM is higher than that of your highest ATM( e.g ''yellowing/banking the highest level BG). These method is faulty, if you hit zero, then, you are likely to try somewhere else( going back to 3).

These is the best explanation I  can make from what was explained to me, when I encountered similar a problem. 

 

Official statement from Plarium 

We don’t share the exact algorithm for the feature, but here’s the basic outline: every time you attack or defend a [prize], your unit losses are totalled up according to each unit’s price in [Rum, Gold, Lumber]. This running total is your Payout Number. When you get payout from a [Prize], the spread, number, and type of Units or Resources you receive are randomly allocated as measured in resources based on that total.

The longer you go without receiving a payout, the higher your Payout Number total is becoming and the bigger your eventual reward will be (that's if you continue to bank). Now, there are also some randomized triggers when running this calculation – first, it does a “spin” to see if this infestation will pay out this time, or just keep adding to your Payout Number. Depending on how this spin goes, it’s possible to go extremely long periods without getting a payout (even though your Payout Number is still growing over time). This is especially true if you've received big payouts on higher-level [Prizes] and then go back to hitting low-level ones.

The payout frequency is a little higher for the [prize] that pop up directly on the left side of your screen, but those require hitting consecutively higher [prizes] each time. Sometimes you can also “spin” and hit a superbonus, which will trigger a payout worth more than your total investment, but those don’t pop up much.

The biggest misconception is that regular [prizes] each have their own discrete payout amount. I know it often seems like we’re laughing maniacally to ourselves as we change each [Prize] Level’s payouts every week to confound everyone – this isn't true. It doesn't work that way.

The payouts are based on your collective Payout Number; the last time you triggered a payout, and how many Unit losses you've suffered in the meantime. Treat it like Black Jack; play with a long view, don’t bet everything you have, and quit when you’re ahead. It can be frustrating, but senior players have experimented with different strategies and gotten pretty good results. Ask around, but be prepared to lose a lot of troops to get there – don’t commit anything you’re not ready or able to lose without being hamstrung.

Some advice: take advantage of Global Mission events to “double dip” on your investment. Also don’t forget to include the XP, and Ranking Points, ranking awards, Achievement Bonuses, and other freebies you’re getting from taking on the Infestations.

Also, if you want a sure bet, don’t forget about the Campaign [Prizes]. Each one of these has a fixed payout in [Brethren] units that you can view before deciding whether or not to run the mission – plus they all have a pretty cool storyline and audio content, but the higher ones get really, really tough.

In the coming months we’re planning to experiment with the payout frequency algorithm to make it a little less discouraging from the player end, so standby for future announcements.



As moderator you should provide information that should help players in they game, not to make contradictory comments that will confuse those who read your posts. I marked few of your words to explain what i say: 

     "not banking all the bank needs before completing a BG, All resources have to be put in, plus up to 25% bank."  that contradicts your post that you say is official plarium statement : " every time you attack or defend a [prize], your unit losses are totalled up according to each unit’s price in [Rum, Gold, Lumber]. This running total is your Payout Number. "

     "  all in method above level 50  defending and offending with wrong unit types "  that also contradicts the "oficial plarium statement" quoted above....


Somewhere in a thred, a player told you to refrain from posting, because give him headache...i have to say i experience same sensation... 


I also have a question to you. According with your post, there is a fee for each payout from BG. According with "oficial plarium statement" there is none. (btw another contradiction in your post) . So my question: is it or is it not a fee on BG payout ? 

I will apreciate a straight answer, and if you dont know , pls say you dont know.
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Oracle
8 June, 2017, 6:16 PM UTC

Octavian said

As moderator you should provide information that should help players in they game, not to make contradictory comments that will confuse those who read your posts. I marked few of your words to explain what i say:

      "not banking all the bank needs before completing a BG, All resources have to be put in, plus up to 25% bank." that contradicts your post that you say is official plarium statement : " every time you attack or defend a [prize], your unit losses are totalled up according to each unit’s price in [Rum, Gold, Lumber]. This running total is your Payout Number. "

The 25 % comes from the percentage of extra resources you have to put back into the back from your previous bank pay out.  . So lets say I have earned a pay of 5 graffin, here these website calculate my pay back.


As you can see these website calculate the extra pay back percentage as 5 %, some  as 10% some as 15%. But I get better result when using 25%.  

    " all in method above level 50 defending and offending with wrong unit types " that also contradicts the "oficial plarium statement" quoted above....

And all in method, is when a player use all his troops to do BG. These is a bad idea especially above level 50 because it will be difficult to calculate your back, and the losses are tremendous above  level 50.

 I personally have a BG squad, and use it to do BG below level 50. My BG is about 25% occult+ beast and 75% infantry and cavalry. Because my Bg are lower than level 55( I am planning to take them to 65, and achieve the final tier. I take a screenshot of my squad, and do the all in method for all O BG requiring cavalry and infantry. After each BG I toss my gains back into the catamp and continue untill I hit a level 49.When I am done I go to screenshot and subtract how many units I have lost from my BG squad. These will be what I have banked. I then go to my excell unit counter and substract my ''gains'' or reward( those units I gained from BG and sent to the catamp. These will be what I owe back so far. Then I go to the dreaded log and just expand it. adding a day.

 Gain resources pain resources, calculate owe +25% 


sorry about the foreign language, in the screenshot.

Excel has customize-able gaming theme spreadsheet, which is easy to manipulate into your gamings needs. You can include pages, and sub pages. For example stormfall I have league stuff( sub pages intel,units counter ect) BG(sub pages spreadsheet, jackpot tracking dates ect) ect units ect Eve ( Quit) Warcraft( Jobs(ect), LoL, ect  

Somewhere in a thred, a player told you to refrain from posting, because give him headache...i have to say i experience same sensation...

I also have a question to you. According with your post, there is a fee for each payout from BG. According with "oficial plarium statement" there is none. (btw another contradiction in your post) .
So my question: is it or is it not a fee on BG payout ?  

I will apreciate a straight answer, and if you dont know , pls say you dont know.

I have explained that. You are confused, and not the only one who is.

 But don't worry I am working on BG tutorial and will purplish it soon. I have contacted players in the top, and many have been helpful. By next week I would have finished with these tutorial.

Unlike other tutorial it will tell you how to play BG step By step, not lie to you in the ''sake of competitive advantage''. I will post it next week. I haven't talked to many Lords in the Darkplains, including the KoK( I probably won't bother them) but nonetheless splendid and decorated Lords have contributed to these thread. 

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OCTAVIAN
8 June, 2017, 6:44 PM UTC


I also have a question to you. According with your post, there is a fee for each payout from BG. According with "oficial plarium statement" there is none. (btw another contradiction in your post) .
So my question: is it or is it not a fee on BG payout ?  

I will apreciate a straight answer, and if you dont know , pls say you dont know.

I have explained that. You are confused, and not the only one who is.

 But don't worry I am working on BG tutorial and will purplish it soon. I have contacted players in the top, and many have been helpful. By next week I would have finished with these tutorial.

Unlike other tutorial it will tell you how to play BG step By step, not lie to you in the ''sake of competitive advantage''. I will post it next week. I haven't talked to many Lords in the Darkplains, including the KoK( I probably won't bother them) but nonetheless splendid and decorated Lords have contributed to these thread. 

Well, could be me who is confused, but read my question again and read my nicely request for a stright answer. You dont give me an answer, you just posted another explanation for your previous posts, from where i dont try to substract an answer, because i use my own way to do BG, and as i say , the "oficial plarium statement" say it isn't any fee on those payouts....


So can you give a stright answer to my question, with yes or no, regardless of how you call it:fee, tax, repay,or whatever ?

Also, another question: can you tell us what'm mean " Official Plarim statement" ? Who did that statement? 
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Oracle
8 June, 2017, 6:59 PM UTC

OCTAVIAN said:

So can you give a stright answer to my question, with yes or no, regardless of how you call it:fee, tax, repay,or whatever ?

Also, another question: can you tell us what'm mean " Official Plarim statement" ? Who did that statement? 

I have already answered that question. But here is a clue

We don’t share the exact algorithm for the feature

The payout frequency is a little higher for the [prize] that pop up directly on the left side of your screen, but those require hitting consecutively higher [prizes] each time. Sometimes you can also “spin” and hit a superbonus, which will trigger a payout worth more than your total investment, but those don’t pop up much.

still trying to find out too.  But I found it here
https://plarium.com/forum/en/pirates-tides-of-fortune/game-discussion/1093_banking-in-prize-missions-/?post=10297

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OCTAVIAN
8 June, 2017, 7:24 PM UTC

Oracle said:


OCTAVIAN said:

So can you give a stright answer to my question, with yes or no, regardless of how you call it:fee, tax, repay,or whatever ?

Also, another question: can you tell us what'm mean " Official Plarim statement" ? Who did that statement? 

I have already answered that question. But here is a clue

We don’t share the exact algorithm for the feature

The payout frequency is a little higher for the [prize] that pop up directly on the left side of your screen, but those require hitting consecutively higher [prizes] each time. Sometimes you can also “spin” and hit a superbonus, which will trigger a payout worth more than your total investment, but those don’t pop up much.

still trying to find out too.  But I found it here
https://plarium.com/forum/en/pirates-tides-of-fortune/game-discussion/1093_banking-in-prize-missions-/?post=10297

Sory, but what you caled a clue is not a clue: higher payout frequency means you can get a payout more often , or if you want i can google for exactly definition. And yes, i already had that kinfd of superbonus that worth more than my total investement. But still they dont sayd nothing about a fee, witch you leave it to understand it is, on the contrary, they sayd ,  and i quote " every time you attack or defend a [prize], your unit losses are totalled up according to each unit’s price in [Rum, Gold, Lumber]. This running total is your Payout Number. ". 

So if you can't provide a correct and verified information, please refrain to do alegation on the subject. I am sure that most of the players search for help in forums thread , not for your personal opinion.

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OCTAVIAN
8 June, 2017, 7:41 PM UTC

Oracle said:


OCTAVIAN said:


Also, another question: can you tell us what'm mean " Official Plarim statement" ? Who did that statement? 

still trying to find out too.  But I found it here
https://plarium.com/forum/en/pirates-tides-of-fortune/game-discussion/1093_banking-in-prize-missions-/?post=10297

So you quoted a "quoted" declaration, posted by a player in forum, and say , and now i quote you, "Official statement from Plarium ".

Is that , coming form a moderator , a trustworthy information, that will make all players to think is realy Plarium who did it ? 

I think a CM should take some mesures in this matter!

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