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Lets welcome our new forum moderator

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Marcel Stokvis
29 April, 2017, 9:28 PM UTC

According to our team of moderators he is completly unbiased ... !!!


http://prnt.sc/f2cjw7
http://prnt.sc/f2cjep
http://prnt.sc/f2cj7x
http://prnt.sc/f2cio7
http://prnt.sc/f2ci1n

He is indeed very unbiased and obviously extremely well liked in this community
So a warm welcome to ... ohhh ffs just get rid of the damn fool will ya pls?
I took me 3 minutes to find those 5 screens .... dont make me put on a real effort to discredit him with his own words

Dutch Viking // Sa souvraya niende misain ye
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Jezebel
29 April, 2017, 10:20 PM UTC
lol
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djmoody
29 April, 2017, 10:35 PM UTC

I don't really want to pick on the individual involved. He is probably quite excited to have been made up. Crushing his spirit with criticism doesn't feel good.

But the decision is so inexplicable and indefensible it's hard not to comment. We are talking about one of the biggest forum trolls in our comminity being made up to moderator. Plarium display their utter indifference to the game and it's players in many forms but this is one of the most obvious examples of them simply not giving two hoots.

Like I said the fallout from this and how it impacts the individual is not going to be good but it's such an impossible to decision to justify, pretty much irrational, I dount people will be able to keep quiet on this one.

Everyone has a right to an opinion. No one has a right to their opinion being respected by other if it can't be backed up with rational and logic explanation
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Skycooldude
29 April, 2017, 11:02 PM UTC
I call for a vote of no confidence!
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simpaul_88
29 April, 2017, 11:18 PM UTC
Skycooldude said:

I call for a vote of no confidence!
we can tally votes with how many "thumbs up" Sky gets!
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zapelo
29 April, 2017, 11:41 PM UTC

So a guy that does not know how to lift a siege is a moderator ?!!!????!!!!!!???


I guess next candidate is the spider in the upper left corner of my living room
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Oracle
30 April, 2017, 11:32 AM UTC

I am sorry you guys feel that way. It wasn't my attention to make you feel sad. But to amuse you a little I did break DV siege. 

But unfortunately, I will still not fight KT members. As I have made a promise not to, besides they'll just destroy me😎. 


Just because something isn't a lie does not mean that it isn't deceptive. A liar knows that he is a liar, but one who speaks mere portions of truth in order to deceive is a craftsman of destruction.....Gedleyihlekisa: Oracle the postremogeniture
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Stewart
30 April, 2017, 2:31 PM UTC
Oracle said:

I am sorry you guys feel that way. It wasn't my attention to make you feel sad. But to amuse you a little I did break DV siege. 

But unfortunately, I will still not fight KT members. As I have made a promise not to, besides they'll just destroy me😎. 


Did you like yourself??  Sky has 15
Noodle maker extreme
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Marcel Stokvis
30 April, 2017, 3:54 PM UTC

Oracle said:


I am sorry you guys feel that way. It wasn't my attention to make you feel sad. But to amuse you a little I did break DV siege. 

But unfortunately, I will still not fight KT members. As I have made a promise not to, besides they'll just destroy me😎. 


That choice is longer yours, it has now been made for you.
Your appointment to moderator, the abbuse of power (min of 2-3 posts of mine were deleted today) your views and opinions of KT voiced on these forums have painted a very large target on your castle.
After this latest debacle by plarium (yes appointing you as moderator) has made it clear to me I should be leaving for real this time.

BUT, my castle isnt going anywhere and if I will gladly log in once a day just to raid/siege you :)

Dutch Viking // Sa souvraya niende misain ye
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Marcel Stokvis
1 May, 2017, 4:28 AM UTC

This should be fun ... I wonder, what do you expect to hear if anyone at all bothers to show up?


http://prntscr.com/f2romy

Dutch Viking // Sa souvraya niende misain ye
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Oracle
1 May, 2017, 8:15 AM UTC
Marcel Stokvis said:

This should be fun ... I wonder, what do you expect to hear if anyone at all bothers to show up?


http://prntscr.com/f2romy

You have shared private correspondence, that I have full rights over without my consent. I would love to share Private correspondence that include KT and co, that I have since the last 3 month here, with your permission. Just little letters, and stuff, nothing biggy. 
Just because something isn't a lie does not mean that it isn't deceptive. A liar knows that he is a liar, but one who speaks mere portions of truth in order to deceive is a craftsman of destruction.....Gedleyihlekisa: Oracle the postremogeniture
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BiohazarD
Moderator
1 May, 2017, 9:12 AM UTC
Oracle said:

Marcel Stokvis said:

This should be fun ... I wonder, what do you expect to hear if anyone at all bothers to show up?


http://prntscr.com/f2romy

You have shared private correspondence, that I have full rights over without my consent. I would love to share Private correspondence that include KT and co, that I have since the last 3 month here, with your permission. Just little letters, and stuff, nothing biggy. 
"Private" messages are the property of both parties involved.  ie if you send someone a mail they're allowed to share it with whomever they choose because it's theirs too.  It's a good idea to not send anything via in game messages that you wouldn't want being shown to others. 
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Oracle
1 May, 2017, 9:24 AM UTC

BiohazarD said:


Oracle said:

You have shared private correspondence, that I have full rights over without my consent. I would love to share Private correspondence that include KT and co, that I have since the last 3 month here, with your permission. Just little letters, and stuff, nothing biggy. 
"Private" messages are the property of both parties involved.  ie if you send someone a mail they're allowed to share it with whomever they choose because it's theirs too.  It's a good idea to not send anything via in game messages that you wouldn't want being shown to others. 

That was a PM between me and Dave, and I respect KT privacy and haven't showed their league chat, and other illicit behavior to the puplic.

That is why i would rather have DV approval to post all PM that involves KT from 3 months till now. So what say you DV, should I show the puplic what goes on in-game, all the stuff, just laid out. 

Just between me and KT/ Me and Friends about KT

Just because something isn't a lie does not mean that it isn't deceptive. A liar knows that he is a liar, but one who speaks mere portions of truth in order to deceive is a craftsman of destruction.....Gedleyihlekisa: Oracle the postremogeniture
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OCTAVIAN
1 May, 2017, 9:51 AM UTC
Marcel Stokvis said:

This should be fun ... I wonder, what do you expect to hear if anyone at all bothers to show up?


http://prntscr.com/f2romy

Oh you mighty Slayer, give the Moshoeshoe's King a chance, then share the fun with us...that will be nice from you  
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test
1 May, 2017, 1:40 PM UTC

BiohazarD said:


Oracle said:


Marcel Stokvis said:


This should be fun ... I wonder, what do you expect to hear if anyone at all bothers to show up?


http://prntscr.com/f2romy

You have shared private correspondence, that I have full rights over without my consent. I would love to share Private correspondence that include KT and co, that I have since the last 3 month here, with your permission. Just little letters, and stuff, nothing biggy. 
"Private" messages are the property of both parties involved.  ie if you send someone a mail they're allowed to share it with whomever they choose because it's theirs too.  It's a good idea to not send anything via in game messages that you wouldn't want being shown to others. 

I completely agree with you Bio.


I've lost count of how many times Exxxe deleted my posts which showed an SS or a "private correspondence" (even though at the same time the Chronicles allowed the posting of SS's and "private correspondences").  


Wish those same rules applied to me when I was posting....


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Sky is currently up to 20 likes so far, wonder how many it will take?


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Oracle
1 May, 2017, 2:09 PM UTC

test said:


BiohazarD said:


Oracle said:


Marcel Stokvis said:


This should be fun ... I wonder, what do you expect to hear if anyone at all bothers to show up?


http://prntscr.com/f2romy

You have shared private correspondence, that I have full rights over without my consent. I would love to share Private correspondence that include KT and co, that I have since the last 3 month here, with your permission. Just little letters, and stuff, nothing biggy. 
"Private" messages are the property of both parties involved.  ie if you send someone a mail they're allowed to share it with whomever they choose because it's theirs too.  It's a good idea to not send anything via in game messages that you wouldn't want being shown to others. 

I completely agree with you Bio.


I've lost count of how many times Exxxe deleted my posts which showed an SS or a "private correspondence" (even though at the same time the Chronicles allowed the posting of SS's and "private correspondences").  


Wish those same rules applied to me when I was posting....


The rules do apply, although we must honor privacy in the forums, to some extend we will not allow some PM to be showed. But I have not deleted and will not delete any correspondence between me and DV/KT even if my permission for such correspondence was not asked. 

I try at time to change the content of a screenshot, like the one of Anarchy, rather than delete it. I have not in all my experience banned a member, and I will continue these here. 

I am not the first Moderator and will not be the last to be attacked in these nature after being ''chosen'' to be a Mod. But that doesn't mean that I am a bad person. 

Just because something isn't a lie does not mean that it isn't deceptive. A liar knows that he is a liar, but one who speaks mere portions of truth in order to deceive is a craftsman of destruction.....Gedleyihlekisa: Oracle the postremogeniture
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djmoody
1 May, 2017, 2:41 PM UTC

Oracle said:


Marcel Stokvis said:


This should be fun ... I wonder, what do you expect to hear if anyone at all bothers to show up?


http://prntscr.com/f2romy

You have shared private correspondence, that I have full rights over without my consent. I would love to share Private correspondence that include KT and co, that I have since the last 3 month here, with your permission. Just little letters, and stuff, nothing biggy. 

I think we have posted enough rebuttals of this for the issue to be dead now.

The outside world considers e-mails to be received without any duty of care for who you then subsequently share them with. The legal precedence is that the sender knows the medium allows for easy and quick sharing, so there is no can be no reasonable expectation of privacy. A quick google will show US legal cases where this precedence was set.

We don't have to follow the outside world here if we don't want to. But the vast majority of the community has voiced that it would like there to be no restrictions to sharing in game mails, as long as they purport to the game. What everyone is completely agreed on is that mails that are about people's private lives, whether it be intimate details of their lives or simply real life data, like addresses are wholly unacceptable to share.

Part of this game is intrigue and politics. Some people play the game as trustworthy people, some scheme. But if you aren't allow to share evidence of the latter how will there be any balance to the game? You can be untrustworthy as you like, with the knowledge that a mod will come along and delete the evidence for you. Above all the points already raised, that scenario is just STUPID.
 

Everyone has a right to an opinion. No one has a right to their opinion being respected by other if it can't be backed up with rational and logic explanation
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Oracle
1 May, 2017, 3:03 PM UTC

djmoody said:


Oracle said:


Marcel Stokvis said:


This should be fun ... I wonder, what do you expect to hear if anyone at all bothers to show up?


http://prntscr.com/f2romy

You have shared private correspondence, that I have full rights over without my consent. I would love to share Private correspondence that include KT and co, that I have since the last 3 month here, with your permission. Just little letters, and stuff, nothing biggy. 

I think we have posted enough rebuttals of this for the issue to be dead now.

The outside world considers e-mails to be received without any duty of care for who you then subsequently share them with. The legal precedence is that the sender knows the medium allows for easy and quick sharing, so there is no can be no reasonable expectation of privacy. A quick google will show US legal cases where this precedence was set.

We don't have to follow the outside world here if we don't want to. But the vast majority of the community has voiced that it would like there to be no restrictions to sharing in game mails, as long as they purport to the game. What everyone is completely agreed on is that mails that are about people's private lives, whether it be intimate details of their lives or simply real life data, like addresses are wholly unacceptable to share.

Part of this game is intrigue and politics. Some people play the game as trustworthy people, some scheme. But if you aren't allow to share evidence of the latter how will there be any balance to the game? You can be untrustworthy as you like, with the knowledge that a mod will come along and delete the evidence for you. Above all the points already raised, that scenario is just STUPID.
 

I totally agree with you, and I was in the front line in that regards, fighting moderators to show screenshots, And I have made 1-3 articles discussing the rules that apply in those regards, and have explained what can the rule be applicable to and not be applicable to. 

The whole theme of the convo was not about that( I would have deleted the correspondence If I believe the rules to be otherwise). 
Just because something isn't a lie does not mean that it isn't deceptive. A liar knows that he is a liar, but one who speaks mere portions of truth in order to deceive is a craftsman of destruction.....Gedleyihlekisa: Oracle the postremogeniture
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Marcel Stokvis
1 May, 2017, 4:13 PM UTC

Oracle said:


djmoody said:


Oracle said:


Marcel Stokvis said:


This should be fun ... I wonder, what do you expect to hear if anyone at all bothers to show up?


http://prntscr.com/f2romy

You have shared private correspondence, that I have full rights over without my consent. I would love to share Private correspondence that include KT and co, that I have since the last 3 month here, with your permission. Just little letters, and stuff, nothing biggy. 

I think we have posted enough rebuttals of this for the issue to be dead now.

The outside world considers e-mails to be received without any duty of care for who you then subsequently share them with. The legal precedence is that the sender knows the medium allows for easy and quick sharing, so there is no can be no reasonable expectation of privacy. A quick google will show US legal cases where this precedence was set.

We don't have to follow the outside world here if we don't want to. But the vast majority of the community has voiced that it would like there to be no restrictions to sharing in game mails, as long as they purport to the game. What everyone is completely agreed on is that mails that are about people's private lives, whether it be intimate details of their lives or simply real life data, like addresses are wholly unacceptable to share.

Part of this game is intrigue and politics. Some people play the game as trustworthy people, some scheme. But if you aren't allow to share evidence of the latter how will there be any balance to the game? You can be untrustworthy as you like, with the knowledge that a mod will come along and delete the evidence for you. Above all the points already raised, that scenario is just STUPID.
 

I totally agree with you, and I was in the front line in that regards, fighting moderators to show screenshots, And I have made 1-3 articles discussing the rules that apply in those regards, and have explained what can the rule be applicable to and not be applicable to. 

The whole theme of the convo was not about that( I would have deleted the correspondence If I believe the rules to be otherwise). 

You deleted howmany of my posts since being made a mod just a few days ago?
You are the last person that should be allowed to even think of the word trustworthy ...

Dutch Viking // Sa souvraya niende misain ye
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Marcel Stokvis
1 May, 2017, 6:47 PM UTC

Oracle said:


BiohazarD said:


Oracle said:

You have shared private correspondence, that I have full rights over without my consent. I would love to share Private correspondence that include KT and co, that I have since the last 3 month here, with your permission. Just little letters, and stuff, nothing biggy. 
"Private" messages are the property of both parties involved.  ie if you send someone a mail they're allowed to share it with whomever they choose because it's theirs too.  It's a good idea to not send anything via in game messages that you wouldn't want being shown to others. 

That was a PM between me and Dave, and I respect KT privacy and haven't showed their league chat, and other illicit behavior to the puplic.

That is why i would rather have DV approval to post all PM that involves KT from 3 months till now. So what say you DV, should I show the puplic what goes on in-game, all the stuff, just laid out. 

Just between me and KT/ Me and Friends about KT

You didnt just admit to using alts to see our league chat now did you?
Cant imagne you have many friends in game that pass stuff to you, lol

So no, you do not have my permission to abuse this game and post screenshot of our leaguechat, that would be against the rules you know.
But to not leave you standing that all alone and empty handed, I'll give you a leaguewide http://prntscr.com/f2yp64


Yes I realise you moved your castle but if you open your map move just a tad down and to the right .... et voila.
That dome wont be up forever, lol and I will be right there when it does.

You picked the fight, all I did was accept ;)
Dutch Viking // Sa souvraya niende misain ye
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