Broken BG Proof

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Oracle
1 May, 2017, 11:00 AM UTC

Walgor said:


The BG Payout mechanics seems to change from time to time. Therefore we can not be sure if it's a bug or if it's intended. We can not know, if the lack of payout is due to a bug or due to the new payout mechancis.

I noticed a change when BG limit was extended to 160. Repeatedly killing level 160 BG cost me a good part of my army ... maybe it's still storted in the bank, maybe not. If not: maybe that's due to a glich, maybe to changed game mechanics - there is no way to be sure. 

A recent event proves, that changes are taking place: When the limit was at 160/165 my lowest BG was 80+. Getting the dected BG Number lower than 100 and adding 20 new BGs always left to level 80+ BGs.

 2 days ago low BGs started to pop up as well, Yesterday, the number of detected BG was at 100, when i finished doing BG. Today 13 new BG popped up (detected BGs are 113 now) and some of them are as low as level 3 ! This is completely new and proof, that there are some background changes are taking place in the BG mechancis. So how can we be sure, that the banking system was not changed as well ?

You get new BG after completing the highest level BG, whether or not your current detected BG by the eagle nest is 60.

the level 1 BG are new BG that are added after game reset. The eagle nest detect BG at random, although a level 3 will be of no use when doing level 80 BG. 
Just because something isn't a lie does not mean that it isn't deceptive. A liar knows that he is a liar, but one who speaks mere portions of truth in order to deceive is a craftsman of destruction.....Gedleyihlekisa: Oracle the postremogeniture
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gogo giant god
1 May, 2017, 10:34 PM UTC
you cant overlook the fact that when units xp update was added on oberon said we have fixed balurs orcs will no longer benefits from league fortress knowledge bonuses to statistics update news april 7 2017 so it makes me think what else did they fix the fact is they maybe did change battlegrounds payout so Whos telling the truth here the cm or oberon the thing is we have to take what oberon said at face value so battlegrounds might of been change have they remove the banking system or have they reduce or lower the payouts level 19 battlegrounds you get 12 dragons and 6 griffins for 198 paladins i heard from one of my members so looks like they have change the battlegrounds payout system to benefit the new lower level players that are at low level battlegrounds and have worsen it for us veterans as we dont have any low level battlegrounds anymore and for higher level battlegrounds we do we get the same payouts as a level 19 battleground gives us almost so battlegrounds might have been changed if you look up the updates news you will see it for yourself the fact is that there is proof they have tinker and tamper with battlegrounds and they didn't go untouch so anything possble even battlegrounds payouts being changed 
gogo giant god the alchemist of defense we are god and god is us
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cat in the hat
2 May, 2017, 3:39 AM UTC

Why all the post about BGs when the developers all about taking money from the player? BGs are just a way to get that money from you.


The only explicit to game is player giving there money away to game. In return, more updates to take more money from you. So I think you need to question yourself why you keep wasting money and time into game.

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BiohazarD
Moderator
2 May, 2017, 4:20 AM UTC
cat in the hat said:

Why all the post about BGs when the developers all about taking money from the player? BGs are just a way to get that money from you.


The only explicit to game is player giving there money away to game. In return, more updates to take more money from you. So I think you need to question yourself why you keep wasting money and time into game.

You've certainly been playing the game quite a while for someone who seems to hate it so much...
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thefray
17 May, 2017, 11:36 PM UTC
I fear they are only testing whether the payouts happen, not the amount of resources trapped which is climbing. Are these test done with fresh accounts or did you have acocounts with a bank of 200 mil in the BG before any of these updates and then test those. If we simply ask do the BG give payouts then the answer is yes but does that mean they are functioning correctly on all aspects?
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IronApex Turok
18 May, 2017, 6:09 AM UTC
gogo sageger said:

you cant overlook the fact that when units xp update was added on oberon said we have fixed balurs orcs will no longer benefits from league fortress knowledge bonuses to statistics update news april 7 2017 so it makes me think what else did they fix the fact is they maybe did change battlegrounds payout so Whos telling the truth here the cm or oberon the thing is we have to take what oberon said at face value so battlegrounds might of been change have they remove the banking system or have they reduce or lower the payouts level 19 battlegrounds you get 12 dragons and 6 griffins for 198 paladins i heard from one of my members so looks like they have change the battlegrounds payout system to benefit the new lower level players that are at low level battlegrounds and have worsen it for us veterans as we dont have any low level battlegrounds anymore and for higher level battlegrounds we do we get the same payouts as a level 19 battleground gives us almost so battlegrounds might have been changed if you look up the updates news you will see it for yourself the fact is that there is proof they have tinker and tamper with battlegrounds and they didn't go untouch so anything possble even battlegrounds payouts being changed 
thats old news. lower leverl BGs have always had a better return on investment.  but 12 dragons at a time wont build you a hammer army. 
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DrFondles
18 May, 2017, 11:50 PM UTC

djmoody said:


This is hugely important. I am suprised so few ppl have commented.

I'm aware I'm replying to a old post. But for me BG's are a good chunk of my gameplay. Personally I haven't ran into any issues with battlegrounds and I just recieved a multiplier 2 weeks ago during last 75% off sale. No I did not buy back any troops, since I am a saphless account

 And still recieved a payout with 14mil+ Iron/Gold increase for payouts. 


As the battlegrounds guide tells the public "Be forewarned - these battles may cost you dearly in men and Resources, and a reward is not always guaranteed to the victor.... While may may contain valuable Resource cashes or captured friendly Units - some will offer you nothing but hordes of Enemies and the opportunity to earn Experience Points. If you are victorious and gain nothing - take heart.... Each Battlefield you rid of the Enemy significantly increases your odds of receiving a bonus on your next attempt - so keep trying!"


If you have never read this guide in the game. It use to be different before the new mechanics of ALWAYS gaining a payout. Before this they use to speak of a multiplier, every so on you would game compensation payouts for your loses. From what I have noticed personally even though this is not stated anymore. These Multipliers still do exist. So possibly you just needed more res to hit you multiplier. I have been gaining troops ever since I lost my 36mil O back in october of 2016 to pvp. Only had 400necros from a pvp tourney and a handful of troops from the pvp hit. Since then I have gained back to my orig size of 2016 and gained more troops. Yes it took alot of res and building from raids. And no it did not cost me cash from buying sapphire packages which many do. I played for tourneys and gained maybe 30-40k saphs before the spring experience tourney. I'd keep going at the battlegrounds since I always do with a payout of earning more is always on the horizon. 


Why quoted DJ is because he does make a good point. This is important. Battlegrounds are a huge foundation of big armys and creating these so called "Hammer" strikes. If you feel like you have lost to many troops and not gained your res back, I've been there.... Yes, it REALLY sucks not having a huge army. But sometimes you have to take a step back, build for a month. And then hit your highest battleground and not the one that will give you more points towards your oracle. 

Josh/Synergy S3
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BiohazarD
Moderator
19 May, 2017, 2:21 PM UTC

DrFondles said:


djmoody said:


This is hugely important. I am suprised so few ppl have commented.

I'm aware I'm replying to a old post. But for me BG's are a good chunk of my gameplay. Personally I haven't ran into any issues with battlegrounds and I just recieved a multiplier 2 weeks ago during last 75% off sale. No I did not buy back any troops, since I am a saphless account

 And still recieved a payout with 14mil+ Iron/Gold increase for payouts. 


As the battlegrounds guide tells the public "Be forewarned - these battles may cost you dearly in men and Resources, and a reward is not always guaranteed to the victor.... While may may contain valuable Resource cashes or captured friendly Units - some will offer you nothing but hordes of Enemies and the opportunity to earn Experience Points. If you are victorious and gain nothing - take heart.... Each Battlefield you rid of the Enemy significantly increases your odds of receiving a bonus on your next attempt - so keep trying!"


If you have never read this guide in the game. It use to be different before the new mechanics of ALWAYS gaining a payout. Before this they use to speak of a multiplier, every so on you would game compensation payouts for your loses. From what I have noticed personally even though this is not stated anymore. These Multipliers still do exist. So possibly you just needed more res to hit you multiplier. I have been gaining troops ever since I lost my 36mil O back in october of 2016 to pvp. Only had 400necros from a pvp tourney and a handful of troops from the pvp hit. Since then I have gained back to my orig size of 2016 and gained more troops. Yes it took alot of res and building from raids. And no it did not cost me cash from buying sapphire packages which many do. I played for tourneys and gained maybe 30-40k saphs before the spring experience tourney. I'd keep going at the battlegrounds since I always do with a payout of earning more is always on the horizon. 


Why quoted DJ is because he does make a good point. This is important. Battlegrounds are a huge foundation of big armys and creating these so called "Hammer" strikes. If you feel like you have lost to many troops and not gained your res back, I've been there.... Yes, it REALLY sucks not having a huge army. But sometimes you have to take a step back, build for a month. And then hit your highest battleground and not the one that will give you more points towards your oracle. 

Agreed, often people just keep trying to get a payout when it's not working, and end up with their entire army stuck. Sometimes you just have to take a break and build for a while. 

Btw what is an oracle? 
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Knightmare
20 May, 2017, 3:18 AM UTC

I got over my BG hump, have taken a different approach and now can turn troops around pretty confidently. Even swapping Off for Def and vice versa by using the BGs to use for what I need at the time and keeping a reserve in to pull out when needed. It is a real troop bank now for me. Then again I stick to BGs under 100, so after that who knows?


One trick I guess is to play the BGs, don't let them play you. Anywho... I am just a small potato in a bigger vat of fries. So take that at face value.






Nug Life !
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DrFondles
20 May, 2017, 5:04 AM UTC
Woops obelisk lmao, sorry was super late my time and worked OT by thursday this week. Was very tired
Josh/Synergy S3
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BiohazarD
Moderator
20 May, 2017, 9:47 AM UTC
Knightmare said:

I got over my BG hump, have taken a different approach and now can turn troops around pretty confidently. Even swapping Off for Def and vice versa by using the BGs to use for what I need at the time and keeping a reserve in to pull out when needed. It is a real troop bank now for me. Then again I stick to BGs under 100, so after that who knows?


One trick I guess is to play the BGs, don't let them play you. Anywho... I am just a small potato in a bigger vat of fries. So take that at face value.


The mechanics for higher level bgs are the same as for lower level ones.  It just takes more troops to kill them, and the payout when you do is bigger. 
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thefray
30 May, 2017, 8:21 PM UTC

I am confident in swapping troops in BG


I swap from some to none
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sison
31 May, 2017, 2:33 PM UTC
expectations of bgs is the only mistake,dont expect something from bgs always eat your troop talking about it is needles,old players should nt talk about it,we know the damage bring to our troop no need more comments  about it since we know it
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Oracle
31 May, 2017, 4:26 PM UTC

Yap, if you are a non coiner. Stay below level 50 BG. Never go up too much. Don’t do BG that need bestiary and occult attacks or reinforcements, unit.

BG are not meant for profit. You want to make a profit, do BG bellow level 11., with a no loss method it's easy to up your army to 50 mil in three years by just doing BG under level 11, every single day a total of 58 BG.

Point about BG. They are not meant to be done everyday. If you have BG that need infantry and you are out of infantry, stop. And build infantry, come back in a few weeks.

There are certain units that are good for BG and some units that are bad for BG. But, there are units that are very good for a non coiner, Pikes and archers are awesome. If you can spend, a decent amount, then building resource heavy units, and buying those boosts at a 70-80 % discount will help.


Just because something isn't a lie does not mean that it isn't deceptive. A liar knows that he is a liar, but one who speaks mere portions of truth in order to deceive is a craftsman of destruction.....Gedleyihlekisa: Oracle the postremogeniture
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thefray
31 May, 2017, 10:29 PM UTC

sison said:


expectations of bgs is the only mistake,dont expect something from bgs always eat your troop talking about it is needles,old players should nt talk about it,we know the damage bring to our troop no need more comments  about it since we know it

Sorry, 

I will ask you next time if it is ok to make a smarta$$ comment, oops just made another, sorry
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djmoody
31 May, 2017, 10:59 PM UTC

sison said:


expectations of bgs is the only mistake,dont expect something from bgs always eat your troop talking about it is needles,old players should nt talk about it,we know the damage bring to our troop no need more comments  about it since we know it

We aren't talking about a small % tax here. We are talking about BG's stealing a hundred million in resource overnight. 

It doesn't happen to everyone and it doesn't happen every time. It must take a certain set of circumstances to happen. But I know enough people it's happen to now to know it's a real problem.

I don't think many people have actually looked and and understood the log that is posted in this thread. 

This player lost 250m resource. That is going on for 40m/50m power depending what troop types that resource is turned into. And the losses were driven seemingly at 2 specific points over months of BG'ing. The rest of the time BG's operated as expected. 

The players max lvl BG was 97 - we aren't talking about someone talking lvl 170's with 8.5m powers worth of troops in them where things can go nasty quickly.

Everyone has a right to an opinion. No one has a right to their opinion being respected by other if it can't be backed up with rational and logic explanation
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DrFondles
31 May, 2017, 11:28 PM UTC
Oracle said:

Yap, if you are a non coiner. Stay below level 50 BG. Never go up too much. Don’t do BG that need bestiary and occult attacks or reinforcements, unit.

BG are not meant for profit. You want to make a profit, do BG bellow level 11., with a no loss method it's easy to up your army to 50 mil in three years by just doing BG under level 11, every single day a total of 58 BG.

Point about BG. They are not meant to be done everyday. If you have BG that need infantry and you are out of infantry, stop. And build infantry, come back in a few weeks.

There are certain units that are good for BG and some units that are bad for BG. But, there are units that are very good for a non coiner, Pikes and archers are awesome. If you can spend, a decent amount, then building resource heavy units, and buying those boosts at a 70-80 % discount will help.


I'm a non coiner. And my max bg is level 142. I have grown to be one of the bigger players of my league also with battlegrounds. So I wouldn't go straight to, "if your a non coiner. Stay below level 50 BG". Just because I've seen many great players who don't spend money and go far in the game. But that's my humble opinion.
Josh/Synergy S3
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thefray
6 June, 2017, 2:27 AM UTC
lol Oracle debunked yet again, anyone keeping score lol
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Talon
6 June, 2017, 4:37 AM UTC

Well here is my personal experience with BG's.


Hero equipment, wisdom points and rank experience affected the BG's somehow some way.  I'm one of the many who has been affected by this glitch in the BG's.  The bank is a bottomless pit that spits out less than you put in.

Talon
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djmoody
6 June, 2017, 8:38 PM UTC

thefray said:


I fear they are only testing whether the payouts happen, not the amount of resources trapped which is climbing. Are these test done with fresh accounts or did you have acocounts with a bank of 200 mil in the BG before any of these updates and then test those. If we simply ask do the BG give payouts then the answer is yes but does that mean they are functioning correctly on all aspects?

Absolutely 100% agree with you.

Seen that response many times on the forums and also by players who have shown me private responses they have got. There seems to be no recognition the resource loaded to get the payout is the key.

I actually think it is ever worse than that.

A lot of the corrispondence leads me to believe they don't actually keep a record of anything but the payouts. So they can't check whether a player has been scewed by BG's or not (despite the fact they are so keen to tell each and every player there is no problem).

Everyone has a right to an opinion. No one has a right to their opinion being respected by other if it can't be backed up with rational and logic explanation
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