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BG, Bare assertion Fallacy

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BiohazarD
Moderator
19 March, 2017, 7:03 AM UTC
djmoody said:

I tell you what. If Plarium allow it, give me your account details and in a couple of weeks I'll trick your account for you (assuming you have the min required off/def, which I suspect you have). Then you can come back to the forum and settle the argument.

Just to be clear, some people have alluded to it requiring 100m troops or "massive coining" - neither is true. You have to build your account to a certain level but it's nothing that a really active player couldn't achieve in their first 6 months. Most serious players would be big enough to trick.

Or maybe Plarium could seed an account with some sapphs, so it can get to the min requirement very quickly and I will keep a blog showing you the progress over the couple of weeks it will take to trick. Then I will give the account back to Plarium.

** EDIT ** - in terms of who created the current trick. Several people from different leagues found it independently on the day of the update where they closed down the old trick. So no one person really created it. I suspect other leagues might have worked it out on their own also.




Unfortunately, sharing accounts or a player using multiple accounts are both against Plariums terms of use. 
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BiohazarD
Moderator
19 March, 2017, 7:09 AM UTC
Inaginni said:

Solidarius said:


Inaginni said:


Oracle said:


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If you manage to come up with a good theory that works better than the ~15% tax rate (I'm pretty sure that's the right number, but haven't checked recently) then good on you! I do agree testing things is important, and, while DJ does look like he comes across as anti-testing anything other than what he says (to paraphrase your second paragraph there), from my experience with him and Bio it's probably b/c they have tried other things already.

In DJ's defense the trick does exist (or at least did a few months ago - haven't heard of or seen others do it since then myself). I've seen quite a few members of KoK Elite and KoK go through the process. I was offered the chance to go through it, but refused as the trick basically wipes BGs as content in the game (Not that they're any good with the tax, but it gets much, much worse after the trick). Also, considering how much free troop power it gives, why in the world would you expect him to tell you the specifics? That he even gives hints to it is astonishing.

....................................................Why bring this up again?


you do realize saying shit like "There is a trick to get 30-50million free troop power" is the equivalent of saying in real life " I know how to make 1million dollars in 24hours and you can to!' 

NOONE is going to believe you and they will call you out and unless you can provide proof, if your not going to do that then why bring it up in the first place... its like your looking for problems and bragging and YES I am one of those who is calling him out on it , he already said he will not write a guide so just let it be what it is.


you know whats astonishing, its how every time one of these "tricks" gets discovered BG's get harder and harder for the people that need them the most.


either drop the thing or provide EVIDENCE , pick 1, and please your telling me you said no to 30-50million free troop power when you know that BG's are mostly a loss making system?

WTF... how much $ do you spend on the game to even consider this?


p.s. your word is not a solid defense to the "trick" being real.


<3>

I'm sorry Solidarius, but when I see someone I consider a friend being attacked about what I know to be true, I'm not going to just look the other way. I wont give evidence either as it is not mine to give. I did not create the trick.

Yes, I did refuse to do it. I guess the reason was left a little short so I do apologize for that. The full reason was that I had heard from those that had done the BG trick how it had made the game boring for quite a few of them, with quite a few talking about quitting/ playing much less after 4-6 months. I was personally surprised that, despite gaining so much troop power, that losing BGs as content would affect how they play the game so much. However, DJ made a post in the past showing that BGs can be boiled down to about 1/3 of the content in game, so it does make some sense that removing them would significantly reduce the playability of the game. Also, at the time it was first offered to me, BGs were still somewhat-ish profitable (this was a while back, and I still could get about 105-110% average payouts from BGs).

I was not ready/ willing to grow tired of the game at the time. I was having fun with my friends and didn't want anything to cast a shadow on that time, as it had for quite a few of them.

Also, I don't spend any money on the game and I do realize that it's not the evidence you wanted. As I mentioned, the purpose of the previous post was expressing support for a friend, since I knew he was right.

Oracle said:


Solidarius said:

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I am much younger than DJ, probably young enough to be his kid :). But the trick does exist, and DJ will never put it into view, I only heard of it, but I will try to rediscover it myself. although it might take a while, and the is a possibility it doesn't work any more, But I doubt it. Knowing KoK they might have come with something better, and are spilling the beans on something no longer cool. I am not saing in any ways he hasn't given advice, He does so in a way that it, that it appears unhelpful.. Which is the case here.

As someone who knows the trick (or at least the few months old version, if it changed), I can say he's given more hints than you think. The most powerful one is that he's said it's not like doing them normally (i.e. the way most bg guides have been created to date). I do recommend keeping track of resources, as DJ recommended, as it should eventually lead you down the correct path as you try things out.

I do agree, though, that DJ doesn't always hand out good information in the best way possible. Yet, to his credit, he does persist in trying to help even when those he's trying to help are actively attacking him.

Agreed, many of his hints would get people very close to figuring out the trick.  Once someone understands how the bgs work, the method to exploit them becomes fairly obvious. 
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djmoody
19 March, 2017, 9:09 PM UTC

Solidarius said:


Do we have a deal?

Well that would let the trick out of the bag. 

We could do it the other way around. Someone provided me the funds, I'll start an account on server 2 and then once tricked put it at the beck and call of whoever funded it.

Everyone has a right to an opinion. No one has a right to their opinion being respected by other if it can't be backed up with rational and logic explanation
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Solidarius
20 March, 2017, 1:19 AM UTC

djmoody said:


Solidarius said:


Do we have a deal?

Well that would let the trick out of the bag. 

We could do it the other way around. Someone provided me the funds, I'll start an account on server 2 and then once tricked put it at the beck and call of whoever funded it.

unfortunately I do not have such funds otherwise I would take you up on the offer.

It seems we have reached a stalemate, I thank you again for the tips you have provided and Oracle for his "theory".

happy hunting!

<3>

 
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Oracle
20 March, 2017, 8:46 AM UTC

djmoody said:


Solidarius said:


Do we have a deal?

Well that would let the trick out of the bag. 

We could do it the other way around. Someone provided me the funds, I'll start an account on server 2 and then once tricked put it at the beck and call of whoever funded it.

OK, I can take you on the offer. How much will it cost. Provided is less than 2K$, and that your Untamed land will be used as I wish, after. Or you can just tell me, it't the same method I have heard of, and I will be glad to study it.

Or you can tell me how to do it. provided that, I have been trying to get my army to 1 billion. But so far I have not had much luck, and a 330$ offers are just rarely any good and it will take a while till I get back to 9$ offers. 
Just because something isn't a lie does not mean that it isn't deceptive. A liar knows that he is a liar, but one who speaks mere portions of truth in order to deceive is a craftsman of destruction.....Gedleyihlekisa: Oracle the postremogeniture
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Gadheras
20 March, 2017, 9:22 AM UTC
Oracle said:

djmoody said:


Solidarius said:


Do we have a deal?

Well that would let the trick out of the bag. 

We could do it the other way around. Someone provided me the funds, I'll start an account on server 2 and then once tricked put it at the beck and call of whoever funded it.

OK, I can take you on the offer. How much will it cost. Provided is less than 2K$, and that your Untamed land will be used as I wish, after. Or you can just tell me, it't the same method I have heard of, and I will be glad to study it.

Or you can tell me how to do it. provided that, I have been trying to get my army to 1 billion. But so far I have not had much luck, and a 330$ offers are just rarely any good and it will take a while till I get back to 9$ offers. 
Looking at all the things can get for 2k USD, there is a lot more than pixels in this game I would put it down on. you all crazy
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Alyona Kolomiitseva
Community Manager
20 March, 2017, 11:55 AM UTC
Passing accounts to the third parties doesn't seem like something legit. 
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Gadheras
20 March, 2017, 1:17 PM UTC

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:


Passing accounts to the third parties doesn't seem like something legit. 

Neither is use of alts, bots and, and and.... but Plarium failed to police its own rules and leave it to the players to file tickets that never get regarded, as hey... bots I had around me since I started play almost 2 years ago, STILL THERE, alive and well.



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Jezebel
20 March, 2017, 4:14 PM UTC
this thread makes my eyes bleed 
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BiohazarD
Moderator
20 March, 2017, 7:02 PM UTC

Jezebel said:


this thread makes my eyes bleed 

It does seem to have gotten a bit off topic. 

Back to BGs people. 

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Solidarius
21 March, 2017, 12:19 AM UTC

BiohazarD said:


Jezebel said:


this thread makes my eyes bleed 

It does seem to have gotten a bit off topic. 

Back to BGs people. 

Question about BG's @BioHazard and the other vets on here


If I send my "defense" to die on purpose on a defense BG and then attack an offense battleground without any troop losses , Will I receive the value of my defense troops that died in the defense one on the offence one?

What I am asking is are the "offence" and "defense" BG's interchangeable or separate?

Lately I have been going back and forth between them and can not figure out if I should do them separate or it doesn't matter

Thx in advance! 

<3>


  
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Oracle
21 March, 2017, 8:04 AM UTC

Solidarius said:

Question about BG's @BioHazard and the other vets on here


If I send my "defense" to die on purpose on a defense BG and then attack an offense battleground without any troop losses , Will I receive the value of my defense troops that died in the defense one on the offence one?

What I am asking is are the "offence" and "defense" BG's interchangeable or separate?

Lately I have been going back and forth between them and can not figure out if I should do them separate or it doesn't matter

Thx in advance! 

<3>


  

From what I know from BG banking lectures I had, BG bank is interchangeable, one you can bank on any BG, and receive a rewards equal to the amount you banked in other BG. But take note, yellow barring, or yellowing will delay your rewards. Yellow baring doesn't make sense because it was used before the data of how much bank value each BG needs. So one used to yellow bar BG of the immediate previous level to complete BG of the next level. But with knowing how much bank you need you can send to any level, and take from the BG equal to the value you have banked. 

EG, in the old days if I need to complete level 18 BG, I will yellow level 17, then complete level 18.

But now knowing that level 18 needs X bank, I can send a fraction to each BG, then complete level 18, when I have reached bank requirements.

Another way people  do it is to complete a BG completely, from lowest till the BG they want to claim at. for these they will need a spread shit, detailing the amount of units in each of BG, and complete the BG after BG until they have reached the bank, its complex, but It works, plus since you will be claiming mini rewards, it becomes easier. 

Another way is to use the ''sweetspot'' method, Which is used by 3 people on the BG all times ranking top 20, Dark plains. But DJ said the formula has changed.

Banking is complex, as you can see, 4 ways of banking, and none of them completely works. That is why I am doing BG my way now.

Just because something isn't a lie does not mean that it isn't deceptive. A liar knows that he is a liar, but one who speaks mere portions of truth in order to deceive is a craftsman of destruction.....Gedleyihlekisa: Oracle the postremogeniture
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djmoody
21 March, 2017, 10:10 AM UTC
Solidarius said:

What I am asking is are the "offence" and "defense" BG's interchangeable or separate?  

Interchangeable.
Everyone has a right to an opinion. No one has a right to their opinion being respected by other if it can't be backed up with rational and logic explanation
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BiohazarD
Moderator
21 March, 2017, 2:19 PM UTC
Solidarius said:

BiohazarD said:


Jezebel said:


this thread makes my eyes bleed 

It does seem to have gotten a bit off topic. 

Back to BGs people. 

Question about BG's @BioHazard and the other vets on here


If I send my "defense" to die on purpose on a defense BG and then attack an offense battleground without any troop losses , Will I receive the value of my defense troops that died in the defense one on the offence one?

What I am asking is are the "offence" and "defense" BG's interchangeable or separate?

Lately I have been going back and forth between them and can not figure out if I should do them separate or it doesn't matter

Thx in advance! 

<3>


  
Offense and defense BGs are interchangeable, but when you send troops to a bg only part of the res is added to the bank immediately.  Some res gets stuck in the BG and is only added to the bank when you finish the bg off.  This seems to be roughly 30% of the total res sent.  So if you yellow bar a bunch of BGs without killing them you can get stuck. 
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Gadheras
21 March, 2017, 3:22 PM UTC

Oracle said:


Another way people  do it is to complete a BG completely, from lowest till the BG they want to claim at. for these they will need a spread shit, detailing the amount of units in each of BG, and complete the BG after BG until 

I really hope they don't, lol


That sounds awfull messy.
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Jezebel
22 March, 2017, 8:28 AM UTC
yup you can still bank but the payouts are not consistent as they were before - you used to be able to bank and clear a bg and get a payout for what you had banked, it still works but now you sometimes have to clear more to get the payout - I return the small payouts (and sometimes extra) to the bgs so it doesn't affect the payout I am seeking
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Juglar del Viento
Moderator
23 March, 2017, 1:39 PM UTC

djmoody said:



And yes there is a current BG trick that can deliver 30-50m free troop power. You can write silly posts based on your zero degree of knowledge saying there aren't but it won't change the fact there is.

/me is thinking..... i have just lost all my offensives (welll 10 days ago) could you please help me to recorver it ;)

so my mind is open for all ur help.

sincerely, would like to be reunited with all of you in a group chat or in a real disscussion thread to talk seriously about bg theories


hope to hear more about those formulas and about that method.

Regards


Edit: btw, something we call bank exists, what goes to it, still dont know, maybe part of our resources, maybe something related with balur units....it screws my mind since i know that 200 paladians banks an amount of 65500 and 500 griffins banks an amount of 2470000


Resistance Is Futile
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djmoody
25 March, 2017, 12:32 AM UTC
Juglar del Viento said:

djmoody said:



And yes there is a current BG trick that can deliver 30-50m free troop power. You can write silly posts based on your zero degree of knowledge saying there aren't but it won't change the fact there is.

/me is thinking..... i have just lost all my offensives (welll 10 days ago) could you please help me to recorver it ;)

so my mind is open for all ur help.

sincerely, would like to be reunited with all of you in a group chat or in a real disscussion thread to talk seriously about bg theories


hope to hear more about those formulas and about that method.

Regards


Edit: btw, something we call bank exists, what goes to it, still dont know, maybe part of our resources, maybe something related with balur units....it screws my mind since i know that 200 paladians banks an amount of 65500 and 500 griffins banks an amount of 2470000


What is your top level BG? How much defence do you have left?
Everyone has a right to an opinion. No one has a right to their opinion being respected by other if it can't be backed up with rational and logic explanation
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BiohazarD
Moderator
25 March, 2017, 7:45 AM UTC
Juglar del Viento said:

djmoody said:



And yes there is a current BG trick that can deliver 30-50m free troop power. You can write silly posts based on your zero degree of knowledge saying there aren't but it won't change the fact there is.

/me is thinking..... i have just lost all my offensives (welll 10 days ago) could you please help me to recorver it ;)

so my mind is open for all ur help.

sincerely, would like to be reunited with all of you in a group chat or in a real disscussion thread to talk seriously about bg theories


hope to hear more about those formulas and about that method.

Regards


Edit: btw, something we call bank exists, what goes to it, still dont know, maybe part of our resources, maybe something related with balur units....it screws my mind since i know that 200 paladians banks an amount of 65500 and 500 griffins banks an amount of 2470000


None of the data i've seen indicates that amount of balur units killed has any affect on the bank or on payouts, it seems to be based entirely on your units lost. 
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Oracle
25 March, 2017, 8:21 AM UTC
Juglar del Viento said:

djmoody said:



And yes there is a current BG trick that can deliver 30-50m free troop power. You can write silly posts based on your zero degree of knowledge saying there aren't but it won't change the fact there is.

/me is thinking..... i have just lost all my offensives (welll 10 days ago) could you please help me to recorver it ;)

so my mind is open for all ur help.

sincerely, would like to be reunited with all of you in a group chat or in a real disscussion thread to talk seriously about bg theories


hope to hear more about those formulas and about that method.

Regards


Edit: btw, something we call bank exists, what goes to it, still dont know, maybe part of our resources, maybe something related with balur units....it screws my mind since i know that 200 paladians banks an amount of 65500 and 500 griffins banks an amount of 2470000


I think is an Interesting Idea. 
Just because something isn't a lie does not mean that it isn't deceptive. A liar knows that he is a liar, but one who speaks mere portions of truth in order to deceive is a craftsman of destruction.....Gedleyihlekisa: Oracle the postremogeniture
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