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BG, Bare assertion Fallacy

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Oracle
9 March, 2017, 9:38 AM UTC

I was doing BG for the last couple of days. I found it hard that I have believed everything that I have been told about BG, and I in turn told it to others as the absolute truth. 

There isn't any proof that offense BG should be done with offensive troops.

There is also no supporting evidence for any BG calculator, with multiple people saying some are true and other aren't true. While there is no methamatical back up to the BG engine/logarithm/formula.

There is also no proof that BG should be banked, or done with certain troops types. We have all once send wrong units types to BG, and everything turns Okay.I have yellowed 25 top BG, and still I haven't received any magical rewards.

Since there is no proof that BG should be done in a certain way, and not another way, and there are multiple strategies of engaging BG that differ from league to league, then it is safe to say that everything I have known about BG is absolute. 

The haven't been any strategy that is universal, some strategy fail at certain level of BG, and other strategy work best under certain conditions. but a logarithm is static, unchanging and not in any way random. So then BG should have a static, 100% universal strategy that is not changing, and totally unchanging. 

The Law of gravity is universal, and it apply in everything in the calastial body.

Then all I know, and you know about BG is false, provided it doesn't apply to certain BG level, doesn't always have guaranteed outcome. 

Hence

1. BG should be banked, False

2. BG should be done with certain troops, false 

3. BG have certain banking value, false

4. there are BG masters, False

5. BG have a reward, False

6.  BG have strategy, False

7. We don't know anything about BG, true

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BiohazarD
Moderator
9 March, 2017, 2:07 PM UTC

Oracle said:


I was doing BG for the last couple of days. I found it hard that I have believed everything that I have been told about BG, and I in turn told it to others as the absolute truth. 

There isn't any proof that offense BG should be done with offensive troops.

There is also no supporting evidence for any BG calculator, with multiple people saying some are true and other aren't true. While there is no methamatical back up to the BG engine/logarithm/formula.

There is also no proof that BG should be banked, or done with certain troops types. We have all once send wrong units types to BG, and everything turns Okay.I have yellowed 25 top BG, and still I haven't received any magical rewards.

Since there is no proof that BG should be done in a certain way, and not another way, and there are multiple strategies of engaging BG that differ from league to league, then it is safe to say that everything I have known about BG is absolute. 

The haven't been any strategy that is universal, some strategy fail at certain level of BG, and other strategy work best under certain conditions. but a logarithm is static, unchanging and not in any way random. So then BG should have a static, 100% universal strategy that is not changing, and totally unchanging. 

The Law of gravity is universal, and it apply in everything in the calastial body.

Then all I know, and you know about BG is false, provided it doesn't apply to certain BG level, doesn't always have guaranteed outcome. 

Hence

1. BG should be banked, False

2. BG should be done with certain troops, false 

3. BG have certain banking value, false

4. there are BG masters, False

5. BG have a reward, False

6.  BG have strategy, False

7. We don't know anything about BG, true

Darn, you figured out the secret, that BGs should actually be done with legendary troops and no supporting units for maximum payouts.  GG. 

By the way, you seem to have algorithm and logarithm confused.   They aren't the same thing... 
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Oracle
9 March, 2017, 3:58 PM UTC

BiohazarD said:



Darn, you figured out the secret, that BGs should actually be done with legendary troops and no supporting units for maximum payouts.  GG. 

By the way, you seem to have algorithm and logarithm confused.   They aren't the same thing... 

I meant th logorithm(exponential) formula deduced by some league, and not rulessed, notice the formula.

anyways

I hate the way the KoK like to troll BG articles like they are some sort of expect on the matter. Look at all times ranking, Taz hasn't beaten Roane score yet, and when was last time Roane was here, like 2014. but still you can't beat his score, Mr BG expect.

KoK like to make people believe they have some ''secret'' regarding BG. their last 6 formula have utterly failed to achieve 100% fluency in BG above level 60, according to intel.

And their current ''secret'' which they think they have figured out, is not their property at all, ( I have heard of it in 2015 early Jan), It also have 110% failure rate, and if it works, Beware, it will ruin your BG ''bank''. 

So we have hoarders of no secret infor selling and old outdated info and acting like its a cool thing. and we inturn believe these without verifying, only to lose units, and be utterly ruin our game.  I expect people who are not from KoK to respond, since they have failed to understand BG.

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BiohazarD
Moderator
10 March, 2017, 12:05 AM UTC

Oracle said:


BiohazarD said:



Darn, you figured out the secret, that BGs should actually be done with legendary troops and no supporting units for maximum payouts.  GG. 

By the way, you seem to have algorithm and logarithm confused.   They aren't the same thing... 

I meant th logorithm(exponential) formula deduced by some league, and not rulessed, notice the formula.

anyways

I hate the way the KoK like to troll BG articles like they are some sort of expect on the matter. Look at all times ranking, Taz hasn't beaten Roane score yet, and when was last time Roane was here, like 2014. but still you can't beat his score, Mr BG expect.

KoK like to make people believe they have some ''secret'' regarding BG. their last 6 formula have utterly failed to achieve 100% fluency in BG above level 60, according to intel.

And their current ''secret'' which they think they have figured out, is not their property at all, ( I have heard of it in 2015 early Jan), It also have 110% failure rate, and if it works, Beware, it will ruin your BG ''bank''. 

So we have hoarders of no secret infor selling and old outdated info and acting like its a cool thing. and we inturn believe these without verifying, only to lose units, and be utterly ruin our game.  I expect people who are not from KoK to respond, since they have failed to understand BG.

Roane spent over a hundred thousand dollars on the game.  So not really surprising he's ranked higher than Taz, who hasn't spent much if anything. 

If KoK really has a secret trick that let them get lots of free troops from the BGs would they post it on the forums for everybody to use?  Wouldn't they keep it to themselves and post lots of fake info to keep their enemies confused?
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Oracle
10 March, 2017, 8:23 AM UTC
BiohazarD said:


Roane spent over a hundred thousand dollars on the game.  So not really surprising he's ranked higher than Taz, who hasn't spent much if anything. 

If KoK really has a secret trick that let them get lots of free troops from the BGs would they post it on the forums for everybody to use?  Wouldn't they keep it to themselves and post lots of fake info to keep their enemies confused?
Have yu ever considered that, it all false, and everybody knows about it. If they don't then they don't want to know about it. But as far as I know its not anything new, its just an upgrade from the one I posted lately, which I ma not surprised as I got it from KoK. If anything, only coiners can master such a strategy. 
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IronApex Turok
10 March, 2017, 2:26 PM UTC

the BG formula isnt static.


it changes depending on what event is taking place.  






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Oracle
10 March, 2017, 2:32 PM UTC

IronApex Turok said:


the BG formula isnt static.


it changes depending on what event is taking place.  

Welcome back Turok, One of the only 2 marshals I respect in the untamed Land,


Is good that you are helping a bit, I have seen too many formulas, and I don't want to accpet that formulas can change. I will continue to look at these deeper. Maybe we are missing something. 
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Alina Bright
Community Manager
10 March, 2017, 2:44 PM UTC
Lords, Battlegrounds mechanics doesn't change, they work as usual. I'm sure you'll get the Reward in a while. 
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BiohazarD
Moderator
11 March, 2017, 6:25 AM UTC
Oracle said:

BiohazarD said:


Roane spent over a hundred thousand dollars on the game.  So not really surprising he's ranked higher than Taz, who hasn't spent much if anything. 

If KoK really has a secret trick that let them get lots of free troops from the BGs would they post it on the forums for everybody to use?  Wouldn't they keep it to themselves and post lots of fake info to keep their enemies confused?
Have yu ever considered that, it all false, and everybody knows about it. If they don't then they don't want to know about it. But as far as I know its not anything new, its just an upgrade from the one I posted lately, which I ma not surprised as I got it from KoK. If anything, only coiners can master such a strategy. 
I don't know that the coiners master it, so much as blindly force their way through and use sapphires to compensate for their losses. 
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M Ace
12 March, 2017, 12:13 PM UTC
bgs are broken i am doing bgs for past few weeks i am down 20mil now and have not received any payout this game is stupid and broken.
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Zufbar
12 March, 2017, 1:43 PM UTC
M Ace said:

bgs are broken i am doing bgs for past few weeks i am down 20mil now and have not received any payout this game is stupid and broken.
Was your last payout over 20 mil?
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BiohazarD
Moderator
13 March, 2017, 5:58 AM UTC
M Ace said:

bgs are broken i am doing bgs for past few weeks i am down 20mil now and have not received any payout this game is stupid and broken.
Perhaps your bank was negative when you started.  If you don't keep track of your bank it's impossible to know where you're at.  If you got a big payout then stopped doing bgs for a few months, then when you started again you'd have to load the res back in before you could get another payout.  So unless you kept track of what you gained in the previous run you would think you'd lost troops when you'd actually just repaid your previous win.  
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Oracle
13 March, 2017, 9:36 AM UTC

BiohazarD said:


Perhaps your bank was negative when you started.  If you don't keep track of your bank it's impossible to know where you're at.  If you got a big payout then stopped doing bgs for a few months, then when you started again you'd have to load the res back in before you could get another payout.  So unless you kept track of what you gained in the previous run you would think you'd lost troops when you'd actually just repaid your previous win.  

The is no logic in any of what you say.

What Bank, Plarium has not in any ways admitted to the fact that BG have a bank, and there is simply no way that a bank can run negative if it runs in cash, which will be  real units, and not in loans or credit( negative units).

If it runs in loand and credit, than it will be logical to get units free from BG

Can you provide proof that there is so called bank, and that it can run ''negative, and that it can be loaded, and show that actual number, and screenshot, video of you loading the so called bank, and it running negative. 

there is no such thing as bank.


 Well known theory regarding BG that are False

1. BG have a bank

2. BG should be done with certain units, according to BG strength calculator

3. BG can run negative positive or whatever. 

Here is my theory

Bg have a set formula

these formular give a sweetspot BG

When these formula is followed as thorough as possible will give a value back in units, The amount sweetspot are normally 1 or 2, but so far I have never found over 5 BG. Those BG will almost give back a ''reward'' that is consistence with how much of Bular units you have killed before battling and completing these ''sweetspot'' BG. 

your units have no effect on the BG, but only on on bular units. So far finding that ''sweetspot'' BG is a trouble, as it can be any BG of the 60 in total. But the entire process is not random, and you can only influence it by how much balur units you kill. That is why its adviceable to complete BG the way Oberon showed you when starting out on the game, to avoid losing units till you hit that ''sweetspot'' BG.

keep in mind the ''sweetspot BG'' is not influenced by how much units you used to kill the last BG but by how much of Bular units you have killed, that is why you should use boost, and relics when completing BG. Primary reason also why plarium introduced partially defensive, partially offensive units. 

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BiohazarD
Moderator
13 March, 2017, 3:26 PM UTC

Oracle said:


BiohazarD said:


Perhaps your bank was negative when you started.  If you don't keep track of your bank it's impossible to know where you're at.  If you got a big payout then stopped doing bgs for a few months, then when you started again you'd have to load the res back in before you could get another payout.  So unless you kept track of what you gained in the previous run you would think you'd lost troops when you'd actually just repaid your previous win.  

The is no logic in any of what you say.

What Bank, Plarium has not in any ways admitted to the fact that BG have a bank, and there is simply no way that a bank can run negative if it runs in cash, which will be  real units, and not in loans or credit( negative units).

If it runs in loand and credit, than it will be logical to get units free from BG

Can you provide proof that there is so called bank, and that it can run ''negative, and that it can be loaded, and show that actual number, and screenshot, video of you loading the so called bank, and it running negative. 

there is no such thing as bank.


 Well known theory regarding BG that are False

1. BG have a bank

2. BG should be done with certain units, according to BG strength calculator

3. BG can run negative positive or whatever. 

Here is my theory

Bg have a set formula

these formular give a sweetspot BG

When these formula is followed as thorough as possible will give a value back in units, The amount sweetspot are normally 1 or 2, but so far I have never found over 5 BG. Those BG will almost give back a ''reward'' that is consistence with how much of Bular units you have killed before battling and completing these ''sweetspot'' BG. 

your units have no effect on the BG, but only on on bular units. So far finding that ''sweetspot'' BG is a trouble, as it can be any BG of the 60 in total. But the entire process is not random, and you can only influence it by how much balur units you kill. That is why its adviceable to complete BG the way Oberon showed you when starting out on the game, to avoid losing units till you hit that ''sweetspot'' BG.

keep in mind the ''sweetspot BG'' is not influenced by how much units you used to kill the last BG but by how much of Bular units you have killed, that is why you should use boost, and relics when completing BG. Primary reason also why plarium introduced partially defensive, partially offensive units. 

On one of their other game forums plarium said that they use a bank. 

And it's interesting how you just declare that all the other theories are false with no evidence then put up your own theory backed by no evidence...

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Oracle
13 March, 2017, 4:34 PM UTC

BiohazarD said:

On one of their other game forums plarium said that they use a bank. 

And it's interesting how you just declare that all the other theories are false with no evidence then put up your own theory backed by no evidence...

Plarium has never said that, they always give the same reply, we don't know, no one knows, or we can't tell you. Last week BG question.



Plarium have never, said there is a bank BG system, only Lord Cor something was the first to give such advice on total domination, and these advice was then expanded, and posted by lord Oberon in latter articles on stormfall, and latter by the other admin, where he stipulated the best building units ect. 

What we can't deny is that BG don't work as intended because we as players don't do them as intended. We based our intire understading of the subject on matters which have never been proved. and which never worked. Yes with time we understood that method, and we expanded on it, but these only compounded our failing rate. 

Many Players are not getting rewards and have given up intirely on BG, because we are doing them wrong


I can't give you, evidence for that theory as I haven't developedt it alone, its a colloborative work, and I have no full right to share anything beyond its priciple.
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brunsonthomas
Moderator
13 March, 2017, 4:41 PM UTC

Oracle said:


BiohazarD said:

On one of their other game forums plarium said that they use a bank. 

And it's interesting how you just declare that all the other theories are false with no evidence then put up your own theory backed by no evidence...

Plarium has never said that, they always give the same reply, we don't know, no one knows, or we can't tell you. Last week BG question.



Plarium have never, said there is a bank BG system, only Lord Cor something was the first to give such advice on total domination, and these advice was then expanded, and posted by lord Oberon in latter articles on stormfall, and latter by the other admin, where he stipulated the best building units ect. 

What we can't deny is that BG don't work as intended because we as players don't do them as intended. We based our intire understading of the subject on matters which have never been proved. and which never worked. Yes with time we understood that method, and we expanded on it, but these only compounded our failing rate. 

Many Players are not getting rewards and have given up intirely on BG, because we are doing them wrong


I can't give you, evidence for that theory as I haven't developedt it alone, its a colloborative work, and I have no full right to share anything beyond its priciple.

I don't know about anyone else but I had a good weekend on the Battlegrounds.


http://prntscr.com/ejgyfn

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Oracle
13 March, 2017, 5:37 PM UTC

brunsonthomas said:

I don't know about anyone else but I had a good weekend on the Battlegrounds.


http://prntscr.com/ejgyfn

I had only 2 sweetspots on Friday. 




my next sweetspot is at level 50 defense :(


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brunsonthomas
Moderator
13 March, 2017, 5:50 PM UTC
Oracle said:

brunsonthomas said:

I don't know about anyone else but I had a good weekend on the Battlegrounds.


http://prntscr.com/ejgyfn

I had only 2 sweetspots on Friday. 




my next sweetspot is at level 50 defense :(


Those are not bad payouts for the level of Battleground. Best of luck.
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Solidarius
13 March, 2017, 9:18 PM UTC

I gave up on doing battlegrounds. 

They are not worth the headache in my opinion


I only send my lower tier offense/defense units to do the SAGA's  quests to get the legendary units, other than that I don't see the point because my army will infinity increase in power due to the fact that FOOD does not stop this anymore.


nice payouts though!



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legendslord
14 March, 2017, 8:26 PM UTC

BG trick - never heard of BG tricks...... oh how did that 50m free offence land in my castle....

MU HA HA HA HA HA

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