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What happen in this game?

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Warrior
2 February, 2017, 1:48 AM UTC
Oracle said:

BiohazarD said:



It's not.  I don't know where he got that information, but I'm guessing his sample size was far too small. 

The algorithm is based almost entirely on previous spending habits of each account. 

We have VPNs nowadays, you can try the same experiment and you will come to the same conclusion. My sample size was not small, It was in the upwards of 3 people per country. 

Facts, Indians receive better offers, Facts, Africans receive worst offers. In fact I don't remember the rime I bought in these game using my country VPN. I always switch to a Eastern Europe VPN just before they add special offers. 

As with VIP, 99% of all VIP I know  are from Australia 

Good effort on the pattern assessment. I hope you have also considered that all of them have spend equal amount of money and started from equal package at the same time frame. Cause if that differs then you assessment maybe one sided.
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BiohazarD
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2 February, 2017, 6:33 AM UTC

Oracle said:


BiohazarD said:



It's not.  I don't know where he got that information, but I'm guessing his sample size was far too small. 

The algorithm is based almost entirely on previous spending habits of each account. 

We have VPNs nowadays, you can try the same experiment and you will come to the same conclusion. My sample size was not small, It was in the upwards of 3 people per country. 

Facts, Indians receive better offers, Facts, Africans receive worst offers. In fact I don't remember the rime I bought in these game using my country VPN. I always switch to a Eastern Europe VPN just before they add special offers. 

As with VIP, 99% of all VIP I know  are from Australia 

Yeah 3 people is not nearly a large enough sample size to get an accurate estimate (unless you tracked their spending habits and discounts over an extended period of time, but even then it's questionable).  As for lots of VIPs being from Australia, most of the VIPs I know do live in Australia but I don't think it's a trend just coincidence. 

I don't see how it would consider race or gender, as you're not required to enter this information anywhere in the game. 
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Oracle
17 February, 2017, 2:32 PM UTC

when You play in the Untamed land and the Dark plains, you know one thing, One rule. Special offers will be the same on both server, provided you spend in the same rythm, or you have a huge time without spending.

Untamed Land: UK IP


The dark Plain: SA IP


For the past 6 months i have been receiving the same offers on both servers. It has been like that. I know changing the IP will result in these kind of thing. Whatever logarithm the special offers use, its broken. you can ask someone to do the same experiment. The result will be the same. I meant to do the vice versa so i can spend in the DarkPlains but the game loaded the untamed land first. 


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Alina Bright
Community Manager
17 February, 2017, 2:41 PM UTC

Lord Oracle, receiving Special Offers isn't related to IP. 

As I mentioned, Special Offers appear according to a set algorithm which is constantly evolving. Several departments work on the development of that algorithm and they rely on analytics data, marketing research and other information they receive through their research channels. 


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Oracle
24 February, 2017, 2:30 PM UTC

Today Normal offers,

 both at untamed and Dark plains http://prntscr.com/ecu6x6

my final proof that special offer use a logarithm that heavily rely on players location(IP) and therefore demographic. Therefore the algorithm is ''set'' to make sure I pay more that others. I don't Blame Plarium, With The Ruperts, Koos, and Motsepes playing these game, and being from SA. Why won't they make all SA pay more. 

 

I will let these rest there, 

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djmoody
24 February, 2017, 4:56 PM UTC

Eugenia Misura said:


Lord Oracle, receiving Special Offers isn't related to IP. 

Special Offers appear according to a set algorithm which is constantly evolving. Several departments work on the development of that algorithm and they rely on analytics data, marketing research and other information they receive through their research channels. 

You can receive a cheap or an expensive Special Offer, and it is chosen by that algorithm. If you don’t like your current Offers or find them expensive, you can wait for better ones, and they will appear sooner or later. 

You make it sound really scientific. 

It's not its really simple. If you are a regular spender your offers will be poor. You are spending money happily, why on earth would they give you good discounts when you are happy to spend without them. If you stop spending you will get offered increasingly improved offers as Plarium hope to lure you back into spending.

It's the harsh real world of companies maximising their profits. It hurts to be on the cynical end and does long term damage to the relationship with customers. It tarnishes and damages a company's brand name. But it's all about short term profit here I am afraid, "doing the right thing" is well out the window.
Everyone has a right to an opinion. No one has a right to their opinion being respected by other if it can't be backed up with rational and logic explanation
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Jezebel
24 February, 2017, 5:49 PM UTC

you would think they would give good discounts to those who spend to keep them happy but nope not the case - fact if you spend your offers are worse, if you quit spending for a few months THEN they give you a good offer


there is no randomness about it - the ones who don't spend get great offers because they are being baited into coining
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Jezebel
24 February, 2017, 5:50 PM UTC
Eugenia Misura said:

Lords and Ladies, you know that we have regular Bank Offers and Special Offers with bonuses.

Special Offers appear according to a set algorithm which is constantly evolving. Several departments work on the development of that algorithm and they rely on analytics data, marketing research and other information they receive through their research channels.

You can receive a cheap or an expensive Special Offer, and it is chosen by that algorithm. If you don’t like your current Offers or find them  expensive, you can wait for better ones, and they will appear sooner or later.

Yes the more you spend the more expensive the offer if you don't spend you get awesome deals to lure you into spending
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BiohazarD
Moderator
26 February, 2017, 12:01 AM UTC
Jezebel said:

Eugenia Misura said:

Lords and Ladies, you know that we have regular Bank Offers and Special Offers with bonuses.

Special Offers appear according to a set algorithm which is constantly evolving. Several departments work on the development of that algorithm and they rely on analytics data, marketing research and other information they receive through their research channels.

You can receive a cheap or an expensive Special Offer, and it is chosen by that algorithm. If you don’t like your current Offers or find them  expensive, you can wait for better ones, and they will appear sooner or later.

Yes the more you spend the more expensive the offer if you don't spend you get awesome deals to lure you into spending
Yep, from what I've seen if you spend more the size of the package goes up and the discount rate goes down. 
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Ryu
26 February, 2017, 9:28 AM UTC
djmoody said:

Eugenia Misura said:


Lord Oracle, receiving Special Offers isn't related to IP. 

Special Offers appear according to a set algorithm which is constantly evolving. Several departments work on the development of that algorithm and they rely on analytics data, marketing research and other information they receive through their research channels. 

You can receive a cheap or an expensive Special Offer, and it is chosen by that algorithm. If you don’t like your current Offers or find them expensive, you can wait for better ones, and they will appear sooner or later. 

You make it sound really scientific. 

It's not its really simple. If you are a regular spender your offers will be poor. You are spending money happily, why on earth would they give you good discounts when you are happy to spend without them. If you stop spending you will get offered increasingly improved offers as Plarium hope to lure you back into spending.

It's the harsh real world of companies maximising their profits. It hurts to be on the cynical end and does long term damage to the relationship with customers. It tarnishes and damages a company's brand name. But it's all about short term profit here I am afraid, "doing the right thing" is well out the window.
While they do make it sound scientific, they totally fail at doing it right. Would make more money spending those wages on improved product. Starting with design, rather than coding.
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Gadheras
26 February, 2017, 10:28 AM UTC

Ryu said:


djmoody said:


Eugenia Misura said:


Lord Oracle, receiving Special Offers isn't related to IP. 

Special Offers appear according to a set algorithm which is constantly evolving. Several departments work on the development of that algorithm and they rely on analytics data, marketing research and other information they receive through their research channels. 

You can receive a cheap or an expensive Special Offer, and it is chosen by that algorithm. If you don’t like your current Offers or find them expensive, you can wait for better ones, and they will appear sooner or later. 

You make it sound really scientific. 

It's not its really simple. If you are a regular spender your offers will be poor. You are spending money happily, why on earth would they give you good discounts when you are happy to spend without them. If you stop spending you will get offered increasingly improved offers as Plarium hope to lure you back into spending.

It's the harsh real world of companies maximising their profits. It hurts to be on the cynical end and does long term damage to the relationship with customers. It tarnishes and damages a company's brand name. But it's all about short term profit here I am afraid, "doing the right thing" is well out the window.
While they do make it sound scientific, they totally fail at doing it right. Would make more money spending those wages on improved product. Starting with design, rather than coding.

Very little actual dev time go into these kind of games. And most of the changes there is, go towards make players spend more money on so called new features. The level of spending this game ask of you does no where match the quality of the game. If you start bring it up you get shouted at for want everything for free, and that the game need a balance, the only thing they care about his THEIR bank balance, and no I don't want everything for free, I want cost to be reasonable for what I get out of it. 

If I sub for SWTOR I get free monthly cartel coins to use for the IGN, if I sub for Elderscrolls online I get monthly crowns as well. and the subs cost far less than what is expected of you to pay for Stormfall. These games that cost a hell of a lot more to develop and produce than Stormfall, and you know what? You can even play them for free if you want. Speaking of ESO, they sending us back to Morrowind, and they don't charge an arm and a leg for doing so. 

The only reason I touched Stormfall, was because I needed something to click on between other things. The core concept of Stormfall is great, but it fails on the business end of things. They preach about balance but end of the day, there is no limits when it come to spending, so as a player without a huge budget to spend on this, you pretty much limited to what you can and can not do. 


Thinking about it, the grind towards gather enough free xp to get the Missouri in world of warships, IS nothing compared to the grind or lack of grind in Stormfall.


I see people use images from a game such as The Witcher on this board. Heck even some of the graphics used by Plarium could almost give a copyright dispute with CDProjekt RED :p If you go to Steam and check Witcher3, check the DLC options, and see how much is FREE vs what you need to pay for for. I tell people all the time, you REALLY need to start play and experience other things out there, because not everyone is out to fleece you.

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Tautas
26 February, 2017, 11:03 AM UTC

Oracle said:


BiohazarD said:



It's not.  I don't know where he got that information, but I'm guessing his sample size was far too small. 

The algorithm is based almost entirely on previous spending habits of each account. 

We have VPNs nowadays, you can try the same experiment and you will come to the same conclusion. My sample size was not small, It was in the upwards of 3 people per country. 

Facts, Indians receive better offers, Facts, Africans receive worst offers. In fact I don't remember the rime I bought in these game using my country VPN. I always switch to a Eastern Europe VPN just before they add special offers. 

As with VIP, 99% of all VIP I know  are from Australia 



Usually players that use Proxy, Tor, VPN, which hide IP address - is in deep multi-accounting.


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BiohazarD
Moderator
26 February, 2017, 10:51 PM UTC
Tautas said:

Oracle said:


BiohazarD said:



It's not.  I don't know where he got that information, but I'm guessing his sample size was far too small. 

The algorithm is based almost entirely on previous spending habits of each account. 

We have VPNs nowadays, you can try the same experiment and you will come to the same conclusion. My sample size was not small, It was in the upwards of 3 people per country. 

Facts, Indians receive better offers, Facts, Africans receive worst offers. In fact I don't remember the rime I bought in these game using my country VPN. I always switch to a Eastern Europe VPN just before they add special offers. 

As with VIP, 99% of all VIP I know  are from Australia 



Usually players that use Proxy, Tor, VPN, which hide IP address - is in deep multi-accounting.


Not necessarily.  Some people just value their privacy. 
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exxxe
27 February, 2017, 8:27 AM UTC

I use a VPN because I can not access the game unless I do 

The problem is with my network provider servers 

That's why in some cases we ask players to install a VPN


I'am me and that is what i care about :)
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Oracle
27 February, 2017, 11:53 AM UTC

Tautas said:


Oracle said:


Usually players that use Proxy, Tor, VPN, which hide IP address - is in deep multi-accounting.


I am not sure why would anyone use a proxy, But I use VPN to access better offer in India and Europe

I also recommend VPN to players who have lags, and network problems, Or players who just want to cut down on upload speed. EG if I want to access X server that are In Australia, I switch on Madagascars VPN. which cut upload speed by atleast 25%

I also use VPN to access logged document on the web, like articles written from X university which are available for free and without subscription to student and staff from X university. 

There are many reasons why people use VPN, but to use it for alts is stupid because alts are stupid

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RandomDrop
27 February, 2017, 1:14 PM UTC

Oracle said:


Today Normal offers,

 both at untamed and Dark plains http://prntscr.com/ecu6x6

my final proof that special offer use a logarithm that heavily rely on players location(IP) and therefore demographic. Therefore the algorithm is ''set'' to make sure I pay more that others. I don't Blame Plarium, With The Ruperts, Koos, and Motsepes playing these game, and being from SA. Why won't they make all SA pay more. 

 

I will let these rest there, 


You are getting more for your money than I am Oracle I have averaged about $20 USD per month since I started playing and haven't spent money in over 6 weeks until this offer. It was a max purchase 3.


If you have have spent close to what I have and got that offer then 1 thing is certain, I will never spend another dime on this game again. I just wont be able to support this kind of price discrimination. Where I live only car salesmen try that crap and they are hated and regarded as low life scum for it.


Price for current special offer in Portland, Or USA on an account with less than $50 spent in 100 days and $0 within last 45 days.


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wesleypringle1
28 February, 2017, 1:57 AM UTC
PVP seems very stingy today !
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Rosconz
28 February, 2017, 5:51 AM UTC

I've never spent a dime on this game.


http://prntscr.com/eea4e9

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brunsonthomas
Moderator
28 February, 2017, 4:40 PM UTC
I would love that offer.
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Oracle
28 February, 2017, 5:18 PM UTC

Rosconz said:


I've never spent a dime on this game.


http://prntscr.com/eea4e9

4 $ offers, I love 4 dollar offers.

Indian rubies can be diffucult to calculate, most of the time I buy at 7 $ or 3 $. Same offer you can find it at 5$ and 7 $. 

Is amazing how plarium work their algorithm. some places get 4 $ some places 5$ and some places 3$. 

I have heard that Australian offers are even better, I am still to confirm, Australia is just far away, it might take me 3 hrs to enter the game, But I must see. Probably why 99% of all VIP's are Autrallian. 

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