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stormfall declassed article 1

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Oracle
10 January, 2017, 1:26 PM UTC

Attached is an except gathered by one of my intel before the major bg change fall last year. The basics noted from the convo might be useful to some degree to those needing some help with bg’s. Although i am not sure whether they work now. 

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10:59:23> "bg expext bk": they had 1st place before all this.
Not exactly what heppened to push
them back to second, but they had it
for half a day.
<11:01:39> "oracle": rantings old mans are best left
alone, unlike kids who rant with no
ojective, they can become quite
deadly. You smack them they turn into
a nasty bulldog and suprise you are
dead
<11:02:14> "oracle": ok lets do the bg calculator
<11:03:46> "oracle": http://stormfall.playtamin.com/infestations.html is these the calculator
<11:07:50> "bg expext bk": for bg's, you are looking to build
your bank before you claim a reward.
So that means getting them all to
yellow bar.
<11:08:43> "oracle": so i must get them all to yellow
<11:08:48> "bg expext bk": you are sacrificing your troops,
building your bg bank based on the
cost to build those troops. When your
bank is high enough, to claim your
reward by taking out the offense of
defensive bg.
<11:09:05> "bg expext bk": yes, as many as you can. The more
that are yellow bar, the bigger the
reward.
<11:09:33> "bg expext bk": but, you also want to max your
gold/iron/food. Having those maxed
out means any resource reward is
converted to troop reward.
<11:09:54> "oracle": i see, so which one do i hit to get a
reward once they are yellow
<11:10:34> "bg expext bk": most of these spreadsheets help you
determine what size your bank is. It
will calculate your bank based on
every unit lost in the bg's
<11:10:56> "bg expext bk": the best way to get maximum reward is
to first hit the second hightest bg,
followd by the highest.
<11:11:34> "oracle": should they all be yellow, before i hit
<11:11:46> "bg expext bk": this give you to attempts to get a big
reward. The reward is based on bg
level, so you want to start second
hightest and then highest.
<11:11:55> "bg expext bk": well, that is a good question
<11:12:40> "bg expext bk": i've heard there is a "sweet spot". But
the advice i got from anonymous f was
to yellow bar the top 24 (based on the
old 24 bg's per day).
<11:14:55> "bg expext bk": someone provided the following
formula for determining the "sweet
spot" for your bg bank based on bg
level: 97.5*^3.143
<11:16:19> "oracle": i don't get that formula
<11:16:33> "oracle": can you write it
<11:18:04> "bg expext bk": so you are taking the bg lvl, lets say
10, and taking it to the power of 3.143.
Then multiplying by 97.5.
<11:18:37> "bg expext bk": so 10 to the power of 3.143 times 97.5
(assuming a lvl 10 bg).
<11:20:00> "bg expext bk": here are some example based on a
spreadsheet i wrote. The left colum is
the "sweet spot" bases on the bg lvl,
and the second column is the bg lvl.
<11:20:01> "bg expext bk": http://prntscr.com/b6zaqz
<11:22:16> "oracle": 135 5203.81543, that is what i got
<11:22:24> "oracle": let me check these out
<11:23:13> "oracle": ok i can see that level 30 has 4.281
507 .60
<11:24:52> "oracle": i see so i use the spread sheet ,and
when i have like banked 4 281 507 .60
i can take a level 30 bg ?
<11:25:09> "bg expext bk": yep
<11:25:46> "oracle": then i will get a ''sweet reward'' and
my bank will be reset
<11:26:26> "oracle": so must i now start all over again
<11:26:27> "bg expext bk": once you start "popping" the bg's,
you'll want to pop all that are yellow
barred.
<11:26:41> "bg expext bk": so there will be additional rewards
from those as well.
<11:26:58> "bg expext bk": but yes, there is a start over process
to it all.
<11:27:27> "oracle": i see, that is like cheating, is like a
cheat i will try it out
<11:28:00> "oracle": i got raded din;t i
<11:28:10> "bg expext bk": i don't see the cheating. It's trying to
maximize the way the game is coded.
<11:28:17> "bg expext bk": yes, you sure did
<11:28:27> "oracle" : but comm....
<11:29:12> "oracle": i must have lost my offence, almost
all of it , that just too bad
<11:30:13> "oracle": ok see you tomorrow,or latter<>
ty alot
<11:30:30> "bg expext bk": take it easy!
<11:30:35> "bg expext bk": hope i could offer some help.
<11:30:44> "bg expext bk ": and good night. I'm going to bed!
<11:31:46> "oracle": nah no worries, i have a plan for him, i
knew that would have happened. Be
arroung next week at the same time he
atacked me, and i will take him out
<11:32:07> *** you are now talking in channel: "under the sun"

Please not that these is in no way a guide, but merely a release of all the database that i might have/ have or somehow have come in contact with that i find they have information, that could in some way be useful to the community. I will one day release all the database. Coming next destiny alts database( end january) kt creed, a document containing all kt alts, manipulation, harassments, association with plarium, cheats and chat convos( april fall) . Absolute data release of every major and minor issues espionaged and retrieved by the ggio, rus&c and st on stormfall


Gedleyihlekisa: Oracle the postremogeniture
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Oracle
10 January, 2017, 1:30 PM UTC

saw that my reply was deleted, but it matters not.  


 these post doesn't in anyway infringes third party intellectual property rights, as its a product of my pure(sort of) imagination.  If its agaist any forum or ingame rules please feel free to edit it or contact me to remove such infringememt. 

Gedleyihlekisa: Oracle the postremogeniture
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Warrior
10 January, 2017, 5:42 PM UTC
I think i would agree with the strategy.
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nobody
10 January, 2017, 8:47 PM UTC

the payouts are interesting to me.  from this list i now see why i could not get a payout between 21 and 35.  that i could only get payouts dropping to 19, 20.  this was 9 months ago.  this is very coincidental, or maybe not.

edit: by i now see, i do not mean my flaw, but a possible indicator of a game flaw,  the mechanic of the flaw i do not see.
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BeastMaster
11 January, 2017, 3:12 AM UTC

Nice work.

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djmoody
11 January, 2017, 3:15 AM UTC

Sorry but the data is either plain wrong or out of date. The biggest part being that the formula is wrong (and has always been wrong as they haven't changed the average banking value of BG's since the dawn of time).

I am sure a lot of people will be able to confirm the average banking value of a lvl 30 is nowhere near 4.2m.


Also worth pointing out that if you do work out the correct formula there is in fact a different one applied to BG > lvl 125 and <125. So don't extrapolate what you learn from lower level BG's straight into higher level ones (as both the defending force and the banking value have a relationship, simply translate your formula into one that calculates avg banking value from average troop power)

When I quit I'll expose the BG mechanics. How you can see they are bugged atm. And also the current guaranteed BG trick which can net you 300-450m free resource depending on how lucky you are. The one Plarium can't find and remove cause they don't know what they are doing (yeah right, "all working as intended" my backside).


Everyone has a right to an opinion. No one has a right to their opinion being respected by other if it can't be backed up with rational and logic explanation
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Oracle
11 January, 2017, 7:26 AM UTC

djmoody said:

Sorry but the data is either plain wrong or out of date.

They might be out of date, but they are not wrong. They where working 100% before the major BG mechanic change last fall. 

 The biggest part being that the formula is wrong (and has always been wrong as they haven't changed the average banking value of BG's since the dawn of time).

can you please elaborate further. 


I am sure a lot of people will be able to confirm the average banking value of a lvl 30 is nowhere near 4.2m.  Also worth pointing out that if you do work out the correct formula there is in fact a different one applied to BG > lvl 125 and <125.>
I also think it will be best to elaborate further here. The spread sheet as far as I know is not fluity, using your our BG experience in your own game one can find ''sweetspots'' that are over/below the data found. 

 

When I quit I'll expose the BG mechanics. How you can see they are bugged atm. And also the current guaranteed BG trick which can net you 300-450m free resource depending on how lucky you are. The one Plarium can't find and remove cause they don't know what they are doing (yeah right, "all working as intended" my backside).

I doubt that will happen. IF you can't produce it now then the is not need to promise that you will do. as they say, Kayihlabi Ngakumisa, Usenga nezimithiyo, traslated google version ( In severely coveted them and pregnant)

Gedleyihlekisa: Oracle the postremogeniture
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Warrior
12 January, 2017, 5:00 AM UTC

i think if DJ is saying that there is something missing then it might be something that might optimize this.


I agree that your way works but there might be ways to optimize it that DJ might be aware of.


Thanks DJ, we will wait for your post but i am sure a lot of us might not want you to quit.
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djmoody
12 January, 2017, 6:02 AM UTC

You can test the formula very easily yourself.

- Create a new account

- Increase BG's to lvl 31

- Keep a log and see that you don't need to load anywhere near 4.2m to get a lvl 30 to payout


The approach your guy took is absolutely correct. Work out the formula / relationship between BG level and average banking value. They aren't going to have a non-formulae driven approach, to do otherwise would require a look up table which would be very inefficient for running of the servers. So cracking BG's becomes about working out from the data at hand what that formulae is.

You could get a good approximation to it by simply taking the wiki infestation value and plotting the line of best fit through the data (although there is some quite erroneous data in that table in parts).

It's just the formula isn't right by nearly by double.

If you don't believe me so far, then check out that < lvl 125 and >125 BG's are different. This isn't difficult to do. Send 1 archer to a BG, calculate the BG power and see how it exponentially increases to lvl 125 and then flattens out after it. You can check that yourself or with help of some friends. Clear proof in front of your eyes that I know what I am talking about.

With regards to yellow barring. Yes this was the way to do BG's IN THE PAST. It allowed you to precisely control your bank and drive payouts without overloading. Plarium have stated yellow barring doesn't add resource to your bank anymore until the BG is killed. Regardless of that point they are broken now so you way too often have to significantly overload to get a payout. So micro-managing your bank to exact amounts is utterly pointless now anyway. You might as well just plough through them and save yourself A LOT of time tracking.

With regards to not disclosing tricks and exact mechanics.

I am not going to share the info right now for a host of reasons:

- It's an advantage that has made KoK a great league. It's the only equalizer that has allowed the league to compete with mega coining. So I am not willing to give up that advantage just yet. 

- I just added and refined a lot of knowledge and info that came before me in KoK. I don't feel like the info is simply mine to give out (as it would be if I had worked it all out from start to finish myself)

- I Don't want to mess it up for others who independently worked out the same things and arguably deserve their competitive advantage

What I do want to do when I quit is expose the current free troop BG exploit. Again, couple of reasons:

- I would like to leave Plarium with the carnage of billions of free troops popping up before they can shut the trick down. For the despicable way they have treated me (and everyone else) they deserve that

- The fact that such a massive exploit exists will expose that Plarium don't know what they are talking about/doing with regards BGs. They will never be able to use the copy and paste "working as intended" standard response to any issue again.

Sorry for the book of a response.

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