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A change of tack?

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zapelo
30 December, 2016, 6:10 PM UTC

jumy said:


zapelo said:


I think you should stop embarrassing yourself by trying to lecture people.


1. This game is not a P.O.S. system.

2. Coding language does not have anything to do with the application logs. "This gives me the first doubt in your knowledge and experience"

3. The other clue to you poor judgement is that you call a P.O.S. system simple.

4. Explanation for point 3.. Logs should be just text right? So that is a bit over 1,000,000,000 characters. Now in the logs of a P.O.S. system only ids, time stamps and amounts should be saved. So one log record should be quite small say 50 characters (compressed) that gives us 20,000,000 records. "Simple ... yeah right"

5. Calling other people "simple minded" just shows me that in the 12+ years you have not learned to respect people that are not "coders" but are "users". Also you probably think that you are superior to them. That tells me a lot about your persona.

6. If this "game" needs millions of lines of code in (AS = front end part of the game) (Sever side seems to be done in .net) then everyone at plarium should be fired.

7. Someone "DJMOODY" already gave an example how to prevent people using macro scripts (read other posts) honestly this should be the only way they can deal with multiple accounts. If they are able to do it in other ways then all the server side code should be redone cause there is something horribly wrong.

8. Some solutions do not need inventing a whole new science. You just have to look at other solutions and possibly adjust them to your needs. That of course can be done if there is a will to do it.


Shall i continue?


Get this from someone that has been doing this (development) for 25 years now.


agree all

7 if they block automatism and other tricks this game switches off, are functions you use with other clients, autohotkey and similar should not be confused (pixel coord)

autobot is not only bot castles, pay attention....

the difficulty is this, keep their tricks for their community, a client with control and autocontrol for xxx castles

say internal leak.... look at how many platforms and where it comes this game....


basic control: 

block proxy/vpn

function share ip and block push

result = actual castles / 1000 (to be tight)


real problem is their abuse their facility = trap for real players

Let me rewrite point 7. so it becomes clearer

7. "DJMOODY" already gave an example how to prevent people using macro scripts (read other posts). Honestly this should be the only possible way for exploiters/hackers to control multiple accounts. If the exploiters/hackers are able to do it in any other ways then all the server side code should be redone cause there is something horribly wrong.

7.a. I suspect that the exploiters/hackers are using macros and other ways to control castles ...... so the entire system was badly planned and designed.

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jumy
30 December, 2016, 7:55 PM UTC

zapelo said:


jumy said:


zapelo said:


I think you should stop embarrassing yourself by trying to lecture people.


1. This game is not a P.O.S. system.

2. Coding language does not have anything to do with the application logs. "This gives me the first doubt in your knowledge and experience"

3. The other clue to you poor judgement is that you call a P.O.S. system simple.

4. Explanation for point 3.. Logs should be just text right? So that is a bit over 1,000,000,000 characters. Now in the logs of a P.O.S. system only ids, time stamps and amounts should be saved. So one log record should be quite small say 50 characters (compressed) that gives us 20,000,000 records. "Simple ... yeah right"

5. Calling other people "simple minded" just shows me that in the 12+ years you have not learned to respect people that are not "coders" but are "users". Also you probably think that you are superior to them. That tells me a lot about your persona.

6. If this "game" needs millions of lines of code in (AS = front end part of the game) (Sever side seems to be done in .net) then everyone at plarium should be fired.

7. Someone "DJMOODY" already gave an example how to prevent people using macro scripts (read other posts) honestly this should be the only way they can deal with multiple accounts. If they are able to do it in other ways then all the server side code should be redone cause there is something horribly wrong.

8. Some solutions do not need inventing a whole new science. You just have to look at other solutions and possibly adjust them to your needs. That of course can be done if there is a will to do it.


Shall i continue?


Get this from someone that has been doing this (development) for 25 years now.


agree all

7 if they block automatism and other tricks this game switches off, are functions you use with other clients, autohotkey and similar should not be confused (pixel coord)

autobot is not only bot castles, pay attention....

the difficulty is this, keep their tricks for their community, a client with control and autocontrol for xxx castles

say internal leak.... look at how many platforms and where it comes this game....


basic control: 

block proxy/vpn

function share ip and block push

result = actual castles / 1000 (to be tight)


real problem is their abuse their facility = trap for real players

Let me rewrite point 7. so it becomes clearer

7. "DJMOODY" already gave an example how to prevent people using macro scripts (read other posts). Honestly this should be the only possible way for exploiters/hackers to control multiple accounts. If the exploiters/hackers are able to do it in any other ways then all the server side code should be redone cause there is something horribly wrong.

7.a. I suspect that the exploiters/hackers are using macros and other ways to control castles ...... so the entire system was badly planned and designed.

perfectly correct, for you "is something horribly wrong" 


for me everything is correct and reread my words 


look at the base.... plarium never wants to put his face, begins with mod and go back 5 years, only make money in all sides

((((......look for creators of.....))))

The truth hurts
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zapelo
30 December, 2016, 8:24 PM UTC
jumy said:

zapelo said:


jumy said:


zapelo said:


I think you should stop embarrassing yourself by trying to lecture people.


1. This game is not a P.O.S. system.

2. Coding language does not have anything to do with the application logs. "This gives me the first doubt in your knowledge and experience"

3. The other clue to you poor judgement is that you call a P.O.S. system simple.

4. Explanation for point 3.. Logs should be just text right? So that is a bit over 1,000,000,000 characters. Now in the logs of a P.O.S. system only ids, time stamps and amounts should be saved. So one log record should be quite small say 50 characters (compressed) that gives us 20,000,000 records. "Simple ... yeah right"

5. Calling other people "simple minded" just shows me that in the 12+ years you have not learned to respect people that are not "coders" but are "users". Also you probably think that you are superior to them. That tells me a lot about your persona.

6. If this "game" needs millions of lines of code in (AS = front end part of the game) (Sever side seems to be done in .net) then everyone at plarium should be fired.

7. Someone "DJMOODY" already gave an example how to prevent people using macro scripts (read other posts) honestly this should be the only way they can deal with multiple accounts. If they are able to do it in other ways then all the server side code should be redone cause there is something horribly wrong.

8. Some solutions do not need inventing a whole new science. You just have to look at other solutions and possibly adjust them to your needs. That of course can be done if there is a will to do it.


Shall i continue?


Get this from someone that has been doing this (development) for 25 years now.


agree all

7 if they block automatism and other tricks this game switches off, are functions you use with other clients, autohotkey and similar should not be confused (pixel coord)

autobot is not only bot castles, pay attention....

the difficulty is this, keep their tricks for their community, a client with control and autocontrol for xxx castles

say internal leak.... look at how many platforms and where it comes this game....


basic control: 

block proxy/vpn

function share ip and block push

result = actual castles / 1000 (to be tight)


real problem is their abuse their facility = trap for real players

Let me rewrite point 7. so it becomes clearer

7. "DJMOODY" already gave an example how to prevent people using macro scripts (read other posts). Honestly this should be the only possible way for exploiters/hackers to control multiple accounts. If the exploiters/hackers are able to do it in any other ways then all the server side code should be redone cause there is something horribly wrong.

7.a. I suspect that the exploiters/hackers are using macros and other ways to control castles ...... so the entire system was badly planned and designed.

perfectly correct, for you "is something horribly wrong" 


for me everything is correct and reread my words 


look at the base.... plarium never wants to put his face, begins with mod and go back 5 years, only make money in all sides

((((......look for creators of.....))))

I fully agree with you
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Rosconz
30 December, 2016, 10:34 PM UTC

Warrior said:


It is simple, if you have a leak in the pipe you dont just put a sticker or keep a bucket under it to get the water from spreading you fix it. That is what they are trying to do and all people want ,and you can read the post from top to bottom, is to get the bots remove that are currently there.


Since i respect you a lot as a player, I will leave the verdict for you to decide which is a better fix out of the two. 

REALLY? So you leave the leak going, doing more damage, for years and years while you try to figure out WHY it is leaking?

NO Warrior. You stop the leak and THEN look at why it happened and what can be done to eliminate it in the future. Its called damage control.
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Gadheras
30 December, 2016, 10:42 PM UTC
Rosconz said:

Warrior said:


It is simple, if you have a leak in the pipe you dont just put a sticker or keep a bucket under it to get the water from spreading you fix it. That is what they are trying to do and all people want ,and you can read the post from top to bottom, is to get the bots remove that are currently there.


Since i respect you a lot as a player, I will leave the verdict for you to decide which is a better fix out of the two. 

REALLY? So you leave the leak going, doing more damage, for years and years while you try to figure out WHY it is leaking?

NO Warrior. You stop the leak and THEN look at why it happened and what can be done to eliminate it in the future. Its called damage control.
Well, you can compare Plarium to a ship, and I don't think its healthy with a leak going, lol.
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Warrior
31 December, 2016, 3:50 AM UTC

exxxe said:



it is secretive but we do know this 

plarium is currently working on the issue but it is taking time so be patient 

what Biohazard and Warrior are saying is

 plarium is working on it and seeking for it to be a permanent fix ( not constantly requiring players reports )


im not sure if any company can completely stop the creation of bots but they can for sure detect them and remove them (which is what plarium is currently after )

I hope everyone read this. I still dont understand the point of discussion.


Unless people just are hurt and want to get back personally.


This is basically the reason the posts are closed after sometime since they just go in loops and are non-productive. Thank you everyone for proving my point, especially Zap.
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Rosconz
31 December, 2016, 4:23 AM UTC

Warrior said:


exxxe said:



it is secretive but we do know this 

plarium is currently working on the issue but it is taking time so be patient 

what Biohazard and Warrior are saying is

 plarium is working on it and seeking for it to be a permanent fix ( not constantly requiring players reports )


im not sure if any company can completely stop the creation of bots but they can for sure detect them and remove them (which is what plarium is currently after )

I hope everyone read this. I still dont understand the point of discussion.


Unless people just are hurt and want to get back personally.


This is basically the reason the posts are closed after sometime since they just go in loops and are non-productive. Thank you everyone for proving my point, especially Zap.

Maybe I can help you to understand Warrior, If you are prepared to listen. You have only just posted Exxxe's comment, even thou I requested it in the 5th post in this thread. I don't know how I missed it but I did and I guess others missed Exxxe's comment as well. Maybe this thread could have been 70 - 80 posts shorter if you had just responded to my request then rather than telling me how highly qualified you are blah, blah, blah. Your ego has contributed to this going round and round in circles.


Now could you please supply a link to Exxxe's statement above so I can see which thread it is in, with a date/time stamp and try to figure how I missed it.


Thank you for listening.
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jumy
31 December, 2016, 8:08 AM UTC

Warrior said:


exxxe said:



it is secretive but we do know this 

plarium is currently working on the issue but it is taking time so be patient 

what Biohazard and Warrior are saying is

 plarium is working on it and seeking for it to be a permanent fix ( not constantly requiring players reports )


im not sure if any company can completely stop the creation of bots but they can for sure detect them and remove them (which is what plarium is currently after )

I hope everyone read this. I still dont understand the point of discussion.


Unless people just are hurt and want to get back personally.


This is basically the reason the posts are closed after sometime since they just go in loops and are non-productive. Thank you everyone for proving my point, especially Zap.

you are another puppet for make us believe that.....

need facts not jerking

give a FREE bg calc at all? but expert eh


so we also know that those who work here plays in this game




6 years

so here is how was born this game and all other game



The truth hurts
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Warrior
31 December, 2016, 9:12 AM UTC

Rosconz said:


Shortened the post


Now could you please supply a link to Exxxe's statement above so I can see which thread it is in, with a date/time stamp and try to figure how I missed it.


Thank you for listening.

End of Page 3 same thread. This is exactly what i meant when i explained the reason for closing the posts. They go in loop and people miss the important parts.


Thank you again for proving my point.
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jumy
31 December, 2016, 9:27 AM UTC

Warrior said:


Rosconz said:


Shortened the post


Now could you please supply a link to Exxxe's statement above so I can see which thread it is in, with a date/time stamp and try to figure how I missed it.


Thank you for listening.

End of Page 3 same thread. This is exactly what i meant when i explained the reason for closing the posts. They go in loop and people miss the important parts.


Thank you again for proving my point.

yes you and your team go always in loop


I was one paranoid? 

have offended me and treated like an idiot 

ALL

The truth hurts
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Drogar61
31 December, 2016, 12:25 PM UTC

Warrior said:


Rosconz said:


Shortened the post


Now could you please supply a link to Exxxe's statement above so I can see which thread it is in, with a date/time stamp and try to figure how I missed it.


Thank you for listening.

End of Page 3 same thread. This is exactly what i meant when i explained the reason for closing the posts. They go in loop and people miss the important parts.


Thank you again for proving my point.

It's not so hard to see that you used this (and other threads) for self promotion, instead of making answers on explicit questions. And in turn made all of this mess.

We don't care who you are and do you love yourself. I'm happy if you think that you are smart experienced guy, but keep that for you, and on threads simple be Moderator.

I understand that isn't easy to swallow all what you got but every your new post on this thread will be source of potentially ugly respond, so I suggest you to leave Exxe and other Mods to lead this thread while it be popular.


Back to thread, does any Mod can find date when devs started with bot eliminations, or at least start to plan some solution about bots?
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Stewart_KT1
1 January, 2017, 3:31 AM UTC

Warrior said:


Rosconz said:


Shortened the post


Now could you please supply a link to Exxxe's statement above so I can see which thread it is in, with a date/time stamp and try to figure how I missed it.


Thank you for listening.

End of Page 3 same thread. This is exactly what i meant when i explained the reason for closing the posts. They go in loop and people miss the important parts.


Thank you again for proving my point.

Are you finished telling everyone how good you are yet, or is there more?


I think i will stick to doing instead of talking, As i used to.
Noodle maker extreme
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Inaginni
1 January, 2017, 4:01 PM UTC

Stewart_KT1 said:


Warrior said:


Rosconz said:


Shortened the post


Now could you please supply a link to Exxxe's statement above so I can see which thread it is in, with a date/time stamp and try to figure how I missed it.


Thank you for listening.

End of Page 3 same thread. This is exactly what i meant when i explained the reason for closing the posts. They go in loop and people miss the important parts.


Thank you again for proving my point.

Are you finished telling everyone how good you are yet, or is there more?


I think i will stick to doing instead of talking, As i used to.

While he did come across as "high and mighty" at the end in his post, I do believe Warrior is correct. Long threads do tend to spiral since posters tend to not read all the posts before posting themselves.

I'd say the way he responds is more likely due to inexperience. It does take time to learn how to respond while not offending as many people as possible. It doesn't help that you have to be extra careful on a forum that already views the game/ devs in a toxic sense.
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Snowgoon
2 January, 2017, 12:42 AM UTC

Drogar61 said:


does any Mod can find date when devs started with bot eliminations, or at least start to plan some solution about bots?

It was March 2016 when the 295 bot line started winning tournaments on untamed


http://plarium.com/forum/en/stormfall-age-of-war/archive/20993_are-these-bots-and-ranked-/


They have been deactivated many times but have been allowed to reactivate, and have even been given protection bubbles

There must be a simple method to stop them from reactivating - I find it hard to believe that the bots are more intelligent than our devs ... or maybe not so hard lol
Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way - Pink Floyd - http://prnt.sc/dv923b
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IronApex Turok
2 January, 2017, 3:07 AM UTC


Warrior said:


It is simple, if you have a leak in the pipe you dont just put a sticker or keep a bucket under it to get the water from spreading you fix it. That is what they are trying to do and all people want ,and you can read the post from top to bottom, is to get the bots remove that are currently there.


Since i respect you a lot as a player, I will leave the verdict for you to decide which is a better fix out of the two. 


you shut the water off. first at foremost.  then you fix the leak.
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