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raffles? for real?

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IronApex Turok
6 December, 2016, 9:29 PM UTC


now you are selling raffle tickets for prizes?

in some places this is considered gambling and illegal.  




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FAILO
6 December, 2016, 11:24 PM UTC

i tried a few max tickets

now down thousands of sapps and no reward at all.. useless... and yet some players got multiple rewards 3+ in 2-5 raffles... from what i see it looks like the people who won lots spent lots in game... but alonya "assures" us they are completely random... surree nice one. actually fooled me for a minute. i should have known something was up.

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Alyona Kolomiitseva
Community Manager
7 December, 2016, 10:32 AM UTC
FAILO said:

i tried a few max tickets

now down thousands of sapps and no reward at all.. useless... and yet some players got multiple rewards 3+ in 2-5 raffles... from what i see it looks like the people who won lots spent lots in game... but alonya "assures" us they are completely random... surree nice one. actually fooled me for a minute. i should have known something was up.

The winners are chosen randomly. Some players can win several times. It depends only on their luck :)
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djmoody
7 December, 2016, 11:50 AM UTC

Even for Greearium this is a new low.

Anything to make a profit.

EPIC prize draw tickets, 3000 at 100 sapphs each. Cost tp players 300,000 sapphs.

EPIC prize draw prize 251,400 sapphs.

What does the resulting 50k profit go to? Charitable causes like a real lottery?

Scumiest thing I have ever seen. Plumbing new depths. Will make sure this gets reported in the gaming media because you deserve to get absolutely slaughtered for this. It also lays bare the true Plarium that will do anything for money better than we could ever do with our own voices.

Literally stealing from your customer base and providing a gambling service which:

a) will be illegal in many places

b) is certainly illegal for children to play pretty much across the entire world

Surely on no more than the grounds of morality this should never have been signed off by an executive. This marks you out clearly as the money at all cost scum bags you are. 

Congratulations, you reached a depth that even my cynical bitter vet self could never have dreamed of.

Everyone has a right to an opinion. No one has a right to their opinion being respected by other if it can't be backed up with rational and logic explanation
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legendslady
7 December, 2016, 12:27 PM UTC
Raffles.

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djmoody
7 December, 2016, 12:29 PM UTC

PS the above was written when I thought the reward was 250k sapphires. Imagine my utter disgust to learn its 60k sapphires and a bunch of other stuff that at full shop price takes the value to 250k.

So given people can get x4 discount by spending their sapphire wisely (e.g. revive the right troops on 75% revival days) the true value of the rewards vs sensible spending is actually is about 110k sapphs.

So the Epic prize draws actually represents a 190k profit to Plarium (or 63% profit) by encouraging players to waste sapphires ineffectively.

Now I truely understand the mechanic I feel physically sick at what you have done.

Everyone has a right to an opinion. No one has a right to their opinion being respected by other if it can't be backed up with rational and logic explanation
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vakonziko
7 December, 2016, 3:33 PM UTC

djmoody said:


Even for Greearium this is a new low.

Anything to make a profit.

EPIC prize draw tickets, 3000 at 100 sapphs each. Cost tp players 300,000 sapphs.

EPIC prize draw prize 251,400 sapphs.

What does the resulting 50k profit go to? Charitable causes like a real lottery?

Scumiest thing I have ever seen. Plumbing new depths. Will make sure this gets reported in the gaming media because you deserve to get absolutely slaughtered for this. It also lays bare the true Plarium that will do anything for money better than we could ever do with our own voices.

Literally stealing from your customer base and providing a gambling service which:

a) will be illegal in many places

b) is certainly illegal for children to play pretty much across the entire world

Surely on no more than the grounds of morality this should never have been signed off by an executive. This marks you out clearly as the money at all cost scum bags you are. 

Congratulations, you reached a depth that even my cynical bitter vet self could never have dreamed of.

All you do is just complain, not sure why they dont get rid of you from these boards. Max entry is 300 tickets (30k sapp) for single player for EPIC prize. So if you win, your profit is more than 200k+ value. Many games have such stuff like gambling and I don't think this game is for children anyway lol, its not farmville. 50k Fee goes to plarium obviously since they host it. But plarium is not a single player right ? So who cares? you are obsessed with conspiracy so much. You can say people who have alts might go and buy the prize, but it wont benefit them because of that -50k fee that goes to plarium which is some kind of protection from smart wannabes.



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Gadheras
7 December, 2016, 3:55 PM UTC
vakonziko said:

djmoody said:


Even for Greearium this is a new low.

Anything to make a profit.

EPIC prize draw tickets, 3000 at 100 sapphs each. Cost tp players 300,000 sapphs.

EPIC prize draw prize 251,400 sapphs.

What does the resulting 50k profit go to? Charitable causes like a real lottery?

Scumiest thing I have ever seen. Plumbing new depths. Will make sure this gets reported in the gaming media because you deserve to get absolutely slaughtered for this. It also lays bare the true Plarium that will do anything for money better than we could ever do with our own voices.

Literally stealing from your customer base and providing a gambling service which:

a) will be illegal in many places

b) is certainly illegal for children to play pretty much across the entire world

Surely on no more than the grounds of morality this should never have been signed off by an executive. This marks you out clearly as the money at all cost scum bags you are. 

Congratulations, you reached a depth that even my cynical bitter vet self could never have dreamed of.

All you do is just complain, not sure why they dont get rid of you from these boards. Max entry is 300 tickets (30k sapp) for single player for EPIC prize. So if you win, your profit is more than 200k+ value. Many games have such stuff like gambling and I don't think this game is for children anyway lol, its not farmville. 50k Fee goes to plarium obviously since they host it. But plarium is not a single player right ? So who cares? you are obsessed with conspiracy so much. You can say people who have alts might go and buy the prize, but it wont benefit them because of that -50k fee that goes to plarium which is some kind of protection from smart wannabes.



Silly much?. This is just anothe revenue stream for Plarium, nothing else. New things for us to spend on is all that is on their agenda.
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Drogar61
7 December, 2016, 4:44 PM UTC

@Vakonziko

are you candidate for moderator?

Don't sell your soul 
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vakonziko
7 December, 2016, 4:51 PM UTC
Gadheras said:

vakonziko said:

djmoody said:


Even for Greearium this is a new low.

Anything to make a profit.

EPIC prize draw tickets, 3000 at 100 sapphs each. Cost tp players 300,000 sapphs.

EPIC prize draw prize 251,400 sapphs.

What does the resulting 50k profit go to? Charitable causes like a real lottery?

Scumiest thing I have ever seen. Plumbing new depths. Will make sure this gets reported in the gaming media because you deserve to get absolutely slaughtered for this. It also lays bare the true Plarium that will do anything for money better than we could ever do with our own voices.

Literally stealing from your customer base and providing a gambling service which:

a) will be illegal in many places

b) is certainly illegal for children to play pretty much across the entire world

Surely on no more than the grounds of morality this should never have been signed off by an executive. This marks you out clearly as the money at all cost scum bags you are. 

Congratulations, you reached a depth that even my cynical bitter vet self could never have dreamed of.

All you do is just complain, not sure why they dont get rid of you from these boards. Max entry is 300 tickets (30k sapp) for single player for EPIC prize. So if you win, your profit is more than 200k+ value. Many games have such stuff like gambling and I don't think this game is for children anyway lol, its not farmville. 50k Fee goes to plarium obviously since they host it. But plarium is not a single player right ? So who cares? you are obsessed with conspiracy so much. You can say people who have alts might go and buy the prize, but it wont benefit them because of that -50k fee that goes to plarium which is some kind of protection from smart wannabes.



Silly much?. This is just anothe revenue stream for Plarium, nothing else. New things for us to spend on is all that is on their agenda.
Who forced you to spend lmao ? All games are about revenue more or less. I just hate to see so delusional ppl like him and creating conspiracy theories about all plarium updates. Disrespect at its finest from him, they just really need to consider removing him from boards. He spreads utter bs about gambling services etc. Not sure what mods are waiting for.
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Juglar del Viento
Moderator
7 December, 2016, 6:17 PM UTC

vakonziko said:


Who forced you to spend lmao ? All games are about revenue more or less. I just hate to see so delusional ppl like him and creating conspiracy theories about all plarium updates. Disrespect at its finest from him, they just really need to consider removing him from boards. He spreads utter bs about gambling services etc. Not sure what mods are waiting for.

totally agree

nobody oblies people to participate in every event on game. lately seems that one people has been chosen for complaining about every feature launched, please dont be so punctilious and try to find the light side of life.

this is a game, indeed a war game. we all kill troops from other player or balurs minions and nobody says nothing about age or if its illegal and in the same way i think everybody can spend the virtual coins of the game got on tournaments or daily royal buying troops to kill, getting wraths to kill or getting raffles to participate in a draw.


Regards
Resistance Is Futile
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Gadheras
7 December, 2016, 6:38 PM UTC
Juglar del Viento said:

vakonziko said:


Who forced you to spend lmao ? All games are about revenue more or less. I just hate to see so delusional ppl like him and creating conspiracy theories about all plarium updates. Disrespect at its finest from him, they just really need to consider removing him from boards. He spreads utter bs about gambling services etc. Not sure what mods are waiting for.

totally agree

nobody oblies people to participate in every event on game. lately seems that one people has been chosen for complaining about every feature launched, please dont be so punctilious and try to find the light side of life.

this is a game, indeed a war game. we all kill troops from other player or balurs minions and nobody says nothing about age or if its illegal and in the same way i think everybody can spend the virtual coins of the game got on tournaments or daily royal buying troops to kill, getting wraths to kill or getting raffles to participate in a draw.


Regards
For me this is not so much about being a raffle although I see it as quite an "exploitable" way to get players to spend., its more about it being ONE DAMN MORE THING that push towards have us the players spend. Expand on the core game, give us more to do and explore, not just more to throw money at. That is the biggest issue for me. At 100 sapphires a tickets its not exactly a cheap raffle either.
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BiohazarD
Moderator
7 December, 2016, 6:43 PM UTC

vakonziko said:


djmoody said:


Even for Greearium this is a new low.

Anything to make a profit.

EPIC prize draw tickets, 3000 at 100 sapphs each. Cost tp players 300,000 sapphs.

EPIC prize draw prize 251,400 sapphs.

What does the resulting 50k profit go to? Charitable causes like a real lottery?

Scumiest thing I have ever seen. Plumbing new depths. Will make sure this gets reported in the gaming media because you deserve to get absolutely slaughtered for this. It also lays bare the true Plarium that will do anything for money better than we could ever do with our own voices.

Literally stealing from your customer base and providing a gambling service which:

a) will be illegal in many places

b) is certainly illegal for children to play pretty much across the entire world

Surely on no more than the grounds of morality this should never have been signed off by an executive. This marks you out clearly as the money at all cost scum bags you are. 

Congratulations, you reached a depth that even my cynical bitter vet self could never have dreamed of.

All you do is just complain, not sure why they dont get rid of you from these boards. Max entry is 300 tickets (30k sapp) for single player for EPIC prize. So if you win, your profit is more than 200k+ value. Many games have such stuff like gambling and I don't think this game is for children anyway lol, its not farmville. 50k Fee goes to plarium obviously since they host it. But plarium is not a single player right ? So who cares? you are obsessed with conspiracy so much. You can say people who have alts might go and buy the prize, but it wont benefit them because of that -50k fee that goes to plarium which is some kind of protection from smart wannabes.


Vakonziko your understanding (or lack thereof) of statistical averaging amuses me greatly.  Of course it's not uncommon, and is the same reason real lotteries are so popular. Plarium could easily have set these up with a slight net positive value, where the total cost of the tickets is just a bit less than the reward.  It converts sapphires into troops which people will then go kill, so plarium makes money either way.  And that would encourage significantly more people to buy them. 

Side note:  This does NOT count as gambling in most countries, because the rewards have no redeemable cash value.  (This is pretty much the same reason it's not illegal in most places for children to play poker for candy). 
Any opinions expressed by me are my own and do not necessarily represent the opinions of or constitute official statements by Plarium.
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IronApex Turok
7 December, 2016, 6:48 PM UTC

i talked to my lawyer today. i may have to quit the game. 


if i get caught gambling....i lose my business license. 
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IronApex Turok
7 December, 2016, 6:50 PM UTC
BiohazarD said:


Side note:  This does NOT count as gambling in most countries, because the rewards have no redeemable cash value.  (This is pretty much the same reason it's not illegal in most places for children to play poker for candy). 
canada, US, and the UK all forbid raffling except under certain circumstances. Plarium doesnt meet these circumstances.  this is in fact illegal. 
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nobody
7 December, 2016, 7:00 PM UTC
djmoody said:

PS the above was written when I thought the reward was 250k sapphires. Imagine my utter disgust to learn its 60k sapphires and a bunch of other stuff that at full shop price takes the value to 250k.

So given people can get x4 discount by spending their sapphire wisely (e.g. revive the right troops on 75% revival days) the true value of the rewards vs sensible spending is actually is about 110k sapphs.

So the Epic prize draws actually represents a 190k profit to Plarium (or 63% profit) by encouraging players to waste sapphires ineffectively.

Now I truely understand the mechanic I feel physically sick at what you have done.

i actually fealt sick to my stomach yesterday when i clicked on events and saw the lottery.
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nobody
7 December, 2016, 7:03 PM UTC
Gadheras said:

Silly much?. This is just anothe revenue stream for Plarium, nothing else. New things for us to spend on is all that is on their agenda.
problem is, they must be making money on every scheme, therefore success creates more of the same.
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vakonziko
7 December, 2016, 7:03 PM UTC
BiohazarD said:

vakonziko said:


djmoody said:


Even for Greearium this is a new low.

Anything to make a profit.

EPIC prize draw tickets, 3000 at 100 sapphs each. Cost tp players 300,000 sapphs.

EPIC prize draw prize 251,400 sapphs.

What does the resulting 50k profit go to? Charitable causes like a real lottery?

Scumiest thing I have ever seen. Plumbing new depths. Will make sure this gets reported in the gaming media because you deserve to get absolutely slaughtered for this. It also lays bare the true Plarium that will do anything for money better than we could ever do with our own voices.

Literally stealing from your customer base and providing a gambling service which:

a) will be illegal in many places

b) is certainly illegal for children to play pretty much across the entire world

Surely on no more than the grounds of morality this should never have been signed off by an executive. This marks you out clearly as the money at all cost scum bags you are. 

Congratulations, you reached a depth that even my cynical bitter vet self could never have dreamed of.

All you do is just complain, not sure why they dont get rid of you from these boards. Max entry is 300 tickets (30k sapp) for single player for EPIC prize. So if you win, your profit is more than 200k+ value. Many games have such stuff like gambling and I don't think this game is for children anyway lol, its not farmville. 50k Fee goes to plarium obviously since they host it. But plarium is not a single player right ? So who cares? you are obsessed with conspiracy so much. You can say people who have alts might go and buy the prize, but it wont benefit them because of that -50k fee that goes to plarium which is some kind of protection from smart wannabes.


Vakonziko your understanding (or lack thereof) of statistical averaging amuses me greatly.  Of course it's not uncommon, and is the same reason real lotteries are so popular. Plarium could easily have set these up with a slight net positive value, where the total cost of the tickets is just a bit less than the reward.  It converts sapphires into troops which people will then go kill, so plarium makes money either way.  And that would encourage significantly more people to buy them. 

Side note:  This does NOT count as gambling in most countries, because the rewards have no redeemable cash value.  (This is pretty much the same reason it's not illegal in most places for children to play poker for candy). 
But you don't have to buy max entries. If you buy 1 instead of 50 you have 49x less chances to win. So from 100 sapp theoretically you can make 80k sapp + other stuff from epic chest ( depends on luck ) like in all lotteries. And there is various chests, some of them offer the same sapphires, various boosts etc. For example i spent 5k sapp (50 tickets ) on standart prize and won 20k sapp + many other boosts. And won it many times lol, even with less tickets too.
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nobody
7 December, 2016, 7:08 PM UTC

BiohazarD said:

 
Side note:  This does NOT count as gambling in most countries, because the rewards have no redeemable cash value.  (This is pretty much the same reason it's not illegal in most places for children to play poker for candy). 

whether it is legal or illegal, it is gambling.  this is not a casino game on xbox.  this is a game that revolves around a "hard currency" of sapphires, purchased with legal tender.

it being legal is not what matters to me, it is gambling.  when you say "it is not gambling"  what you mean is it is not illegal.
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BiohazarD
Moderator
7 December, 2016, 7:10 PM UTC
vakonziko said:

BiohazarD said:

vakonziko said:


djmoody said:


Even for Greearium this is a new low.

Anything to make a profit.

EPIC prize draw tickets, 3000 at 100 sapphs each. Cost tp players 300,000 sapphs.

EPIC prize draw prize 251,400 sapphs.

What does the resulting 50k profit go to? Charitable causes like a real lottery?

Scumiest thing I have ever seen. Plumbing new depths. Will make sure this gets reported in the gaming media because you deserve to get absolutely slaughtered for this. It also lays bare the true Plarium that will do anything for money better than we could ever do with our own voices.

Literally stealing from your customer base and providing a gambling service which:

a) will be illegal in many places

b) is certainly illegal for children to play pretty much across the entire world

Surely on no more than the grounds of morality this should never have been signed off by an executive. This marks you out clearly as the money at all cost scum bags you are. 

Congratulations, you reached a depth that even my cynical bitter vet self could never have dreamed of.

All you do is just complain, not sure why they dont get rid of you from these boards. Max entry is 300 tickets (30k sapp) for single player for EPIC prize. So if you win, your profit is more than 200k+ value. Many games have such stuff like gambling and I don't think this game is for children anyway lol, its not farmville. 50k Fee goes to plarium obviously since they host it. But plarium is not a single player right ? So who cares? you are obsessed with conspiracy so much. You can say people who have alts might go and buy the prize, but it wont benefit them because of that -50k fee that goes to plarium which is some kind of protection from smart wannabes.


Vakonziko your understanding (or lack thereof) of statistical averaging amuses me greatly.  Of course it's not uncommon, and is the same reason real lotteries are so popular. Plarium could easily have set these up with a slight net positive value, where the total cost of the tickets is just a bit less than the reward.  It converts sapphires into troops which people will then go kill, so plarium makes money either way.  And that would encourage significantly more people to buy them. 

Side note:  This does NOT count as gambling in most countries, because the rewards have no redeemable cash value.  (This is pretty much the same reason it's not illegal in most places for children to play poker for candy). 
But you don't have to buy max entries. If you buy 1 instead of 50 you have 49x less chances to win. So from 100 sapp theoretically you can make 80k sapp + other stuff from epic chest.
Yes, you could make a profit.  But you probably won't.  In order to calculate the net value of a single ticket, we multiply the chance of winning from 1 ticket by the value of the stuff you can win.  If we look at the middle lottery, there are 500 tickets, so your chance of winning with 1 ticket is 1/500.  The value of the items to be won is 40k sapphires.  so 40,000 * 1/500 = 80 sapphires.  This means for each ticket you buy, you will lose on average 20 sapphires. 
Any opinions expressed by me are my own and do not necessarily represent the opinions of or constitute official statements by Plarium.
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