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Too much mystery in BG, Plarium why are you ruining the game for people?????

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None
23 November, 2016, 10:37 PM UTC

I am not new to BG, my level is well over 100 so I have been through your ups and mostly downs but enough is enough, please address before you ruin the game for many people more than you already have.

I track my resources in and out of BG and have watched my troop count plummet beyond any normal BG.


 I started with a my bank at ZERO even though I am pretty sure I had some resources trapped from your morphing BG.

Load my bank to 155 million and on level 121 I get a payout of 146 million, not as max payout but maybe 80%


I stopped for a few as the BG have been more and more difficult


I figured I would try the BG for the tourney's running

Load my bank to 154 million and get a full payout of 70 million on level 81, knowing I was over banked I went forward knowing I had 85 million in the bank.

I killed many BG between 109 and 149 loading my bank

With my bank at 220 million I hit a lvl 124 for a payout..... NOTHING    AVG bank is 190 million

My bank is now 240 million, I hit a level 123 for a payout......NOTHING

My bank is now 264 million, I hit a level 123 for a payout .....NOTHING

So now my bank is 295 million   WTF???????????????

I am down 30k troops, I did not yellow bar anything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How can we play this game like this????????????????????????????????????????????

I get you not giving out the secret but come on, this is INSANE!!!

We don't have endless troops and with you forcing the payouts at such a high level then somehow randomizing them how can we play BG??

Ar eyou sure you don't have a bug? If we can't kill the BG in one try due to not having the best troop match do you count this as a yellow bar if we kill it the next try or in a few tries? This can be a huge concern.


What would this game be like if when we played PvP and we never knew if our troops would win even though we did everything right?

I hit 500 demons with 1000 dragons and somehow lose due to randomization, would anyone continue PvP? Would anyone continue the game?


Keep your mysteries but when the bank is loaded give us a payout, we don't all have the ability to put millions of power into a BG and not get a payout when banked.


This needs to be addressed and not some stupid link to another BG discussion or tell us some bull, we need some sort of confidence we can actually play this game, not a frigging slot machine


And before you ask if I know my bank, YES I did.


I got paid on 3 out of 4 lower level BG with minimal loading due to my massive over bank!!!!
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Ichezis
24 November, 2016, 7:21 AM UTC

None said:


I am not new to BG, my level is well over 100 so I have been through your ups and mostly downs but enough is enough, please address before you ruin the game for many people more than you already have.

I track my resources in and out of BG and have watched my troop count plummet beyond any normal BG.


 I started with a my bank at ZERO even though I am pretty sure I had some resources trapped from your morphing BG.

Load my bank to 155 million and on level 121 I get a payout of 146 million, not as max payout but maybe 80%


I stopped for a few as the BG have been more and more difficult


I figured I would try the BG for the tourney's running

Load my bank to 154 million and get a full payout of 70 million on level 81, knowing I was over banked I went forward knowing I had 85 million in the bank.

I killed many BG between 109 and 149 loading my bank

With my bank at 220 million I hit a lvl 124 for a payout..... NOTHING    AVG bank is 190 million

My bank is now 240 million, I hit a level 123 for a payout......NOTHING

My bank is now 264 million, I hit a level 123 for a payout .....NOTHING

So now my bank is 295 million   WTF???????????????

I am down 30k troops, I did not yellow bar anything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How can we play this game like this????????????????????????????????????????????

I get you not giving out the secret but come on, this is INSANE!!!

We don't have endless troops and with you forcing the payouts at such a high level then somehow randomizing them how can we play BG??

Ar eyou sure you don't have a bug? If we can't kill the BG in one try due to not having the best troop match do you count this as a yellow bar if we kill it the next try or in a few tries? This can be a huge concern.


What would this game be like if when we played PvP and we never knew if our troops would win even though we did everything right?

I hit 500 demons with 1000 dragons and somehow lose due to randomization, would anyone continue PvP? Would anyone continue the game?


Keep your mysteries but when the bank is loaded give us a payout, we don't all have the ability to put millions of power into a BG and not get a payout when banked.


This needs to be addressed and not some stupid link to another BG discussion or tell us some bull, we need some sort of confidence we can actually play this game, not a frigging slot machine


And before you ask if I know my bank, YES I did.


I got paid on 3 out of 4 lower level BG with minimal loading due to my massive over bank!!!!

Greetings m'lord!

First of all, my personal compliments on the amount of units you've achieved! I never went across the 15K units.

Secondly, I honestly understand your point. I keep having the same issue with disappointing payouts, and I don't make use of the calculating because I know it won't pay me well. I'm using my 'luck' instead I guess.

Finally, I've noticed a lot of concerns about the battlegrounds, therefore I'll ask the Community Manager about that, hoping for a good answer.
I'll reply with her answer here.

I'm sorry for the inconvenience!

Plarium Global Moderator; "We can't help everyone, but everyone can help someone."
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NIKITA METEOR
Administrator
24 November, 2016, 11:39 AM UTC

Hi! Unfortunately I haven't heard of the new system of rewards, because as I know we haven't changed it since June. As I see Battlegrounds are working well and our players receive good trophies. If you think that you have found a game bug which is related to BGs, please contact our Support Team.

Community manager
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Gadheras
24 November, 2016, 11:45 AM UTC

NIKITA METEOR said:


Hi! Unfortunately I haven't heard of the new system of rewards, because as I know we haven't changed it since June. As I see Battlegrounds are working well and our players receive good trophies. If you think that you have found a game bug which is related to BGs, please contact our Support Team.

About to ask what you smoking, but seeing your avatar, I wont :p



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Drogar61
24 November, 2016, 1:12 PM UTC

Everything in this game is made with simple purpose: to loose your troops (RL money and time). That is the point of any misleading conversation, good advice, best experiences...

Goal is to allow you to feel that you're winner even if simple math shows you that you lost more than got. About formally looser every conversation is absurdity because he is so damaged that he should to leave game in many non trivial lost.

BG has extra possibility to make you crazy. Mystery. It allow Plarium to do whatever they want to do with our brains. Every unplanned finishing task will take from you about 10% of payout. And you will have to send all your previous payout(s) before you will get next one. You cant use simple math as in bank because Plarium wants to push you to spend sapps. The simplest way to do that is to pass payouts on several big levels, and to bring you into desperate position where you haven't enough troops to solve next good task. So you will have to solved some low level task and spend payout to solve next low level task, and so on, until you will get chance to get payout from originally planned level. ANd again you have good chance to miss such payout. And you will have to start again with low levels.

All troops are still inside BG but you lost many 10% without chance to stop, and make new plan, because you're vulnerable while your troops are in BG instead of in your castle. And you have to have steel nerves or deep wallet to solve this problem.

Only BG Quests have some points with sense. Problem is amount of your troops needed to open next quests.

Everything else is trap.

Last update (long ago) mentioned some exploit about yellowing. Ordinary lie. Yellowing is only way to release yourself from trap.

Yellow all tasks (not easy, you need time or money), and play only one - three tasks until you get any decent full payout.

After that use mini payouts against Plarium, as punishment for their smart trap, and collect as much troops as you can, without spending anything on new tasks, and finish with BG forever. On that way you will return all of your invested troops, with some little delta as lost or gain.

Most developed players could produce award troops from one tournament in 7-15 days. If you calculate as your plus your potential minus in BG tournaments, you will have more troops than ever in shorten time.

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Juglar del Viento
Moderator
24 November, 2016, 5:16 PM UTC

Lord None

i know is a bit frustrating knowing you have your bank ready and dont be able to get the big payout. im still not sure why this happens but really happens and i know cause same happens to me, you kill the bgs specting the payout and nothing, even on levels so low which requires small amounts to fill. and suddendly you receive it when less specting u are.

i repeat dont know why this happens. i have read maybe is for the ramdom component of bgs that has been raised. dont know if its cause you yellow the bgs or cause you kill them in one shot. i have read both methods still works but they payout sometimes is hard to get.

actually i dont do bgs except killing yellowing a bunch of them when my food production is near zero, so as u can suppose this will take a lot of time to me to get the results to share. at the moment what i can say: yellow the bgs till you have ur bank ready for the level you want, then finish one and if not pay, spent the small payout in other bg and wait one day. next day kill another ready you have and repeat.

seems that some days bgs dont pay as the way we want and some days they pay. so we have to use the method try and error.

hope you will get ur payout soon, 300M banked are so many resources to continue having faith on the system.

Regards
Resistance Is Futile
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None
25 November, 2016, 1:30 AM UTC

NIKITA METEOR said:


Hi! Unfortunately I haven't heard of the new system of rewards, because as I know we haven't changed it since June. As I see Battlegrounds are working well and our players receive good trophies. If you think that you have found a game bug which is related to BGs, please contact our Support Team.



I am sure you are correct, as I go through the forums BG's are the least complained about part of the game so they are flawless.

Have you bothered to test at the highest levels???????????


I have tried "lack of" Support in the past and always appreciate a non player giving me a canned bull response and guiding me to the forum only to be guided back to lack of support.


You guys are the best!!!!!!!!!!!


Have you thought about a career in politics? Seems perfect for you lack of info and sending people in circles kinda people.

I am sure everything is fine the water isn't polluted by the factories, global warming is fake and the world is repairing itself, vote for me
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djmoody
25 November, 2016, 1:43 AM UTC

They are 100% broken at the moment. I know this 100% as a fact from quality BG logs tracking resource. Too many people who know what they are doing experience the same problem at the same time.

There is a bug in the BG's that at certain times means you will not get a payout whatever you have loaded. You can load x3 times more than you should have to and they don't payout. 

This applies not just to high level full payouts but also to the low level payouts (BG's should automatically payout when you are more than double their banking value), useful to hit low levels if you even get stuck and need some immediate troops back.

The only thing you can do is STOP playing and HOPE FOR A BETTER DAY after reset. 

There was always a random factor to both banking and payout values. I suspect they have messed the random value up to the point that sometimes it makes it impossible to get paid out. In the only days it used to be approx + or - 20%.

I will probably get asked for logs and the like but to be honest Plarium should know this already either:

a) By actually testing their product (1 guy on an account for 1hr could collect the data to prove this)

b) I am sure they have tracking stats to optimise monetisation of the game, so I am sure they know how much is going in and out of BG's to know that on certain days its completely broken.

If they don't have b) then quite simply they should and someone in the team should be looking for a new job.

The way they are at the moment a lot of inexperienced people are going to lose their whole army and then not have enough left to kill a BG to get any troops back on a day when they aren't misbehaving.

Everyone has a right to an opinion. No one has a right to their opinion being respected by other if it can't be backed up with rational and logic explanation
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thefray
25 November, 2016, 7:32 AM UTC

I constantly watch my bank surpass the level of BG, then it is a crap shoot. This shouldn't be like gambling, there should be a way to control the system.

When you bank a level it pays, what a concept, you could actually plan a payout, hit higher levels to raise bank then kill the target for a payout and the only variable is did I track my bank correctly not I put in 150 million and somehow hope it will come out like a rubics cube, ridiculous.
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Drogar61
25 November, 2016, 4:50 PM UTC

One lie became truth. And we still believe in that.


Most wrong expectations are consequence of term 'BANK'.


BG isn't bank, it is more put-up poker-machine or roulette. And Plarium simple uses it to put everyone in desperate position whenever they could.

That is why we cant plan anything in BG. Mystery is just fog to blur picture, and algorithm is 'smart' to give us full payout enough times waiting for 'right' chance (when we're 100% sure in payout). Every player had problems when he was sure in full payout. Number of mistakes in giving payout is so bigger than number of correct behavior of BG system. That isn't random, that is planned behavior.

Everything that Plarium admitted of our bargaining is intentional lie, because no one has right to give us any right information about that algorithm.

Everything what we started and was truth Plarium stuff skillfully kill, with same goal, to keep secret on BG algorithm.

They revealed only several things, or better to say they give us controlled part of truth. In reality giving part of truth is very profitable and dangerous lie.

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None
29 November, 2016, 7:18 AM UTC

I think they hit the ignore button.


The community manager made multiple replies on he other BG thread but none here, how does this make you feel
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exxxe
29 November, 2016, 8:31 AM UTC

None said:


I think they hit the ignore button.


The community manager made multiple replies on he other BG thread but none here, how does this make you feel

we should not even allow duplicates 


so you want to discuss BG go to the thread where the CM responded 

I'am me and that is what i care about :)
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Roftie
29 November, 2016, 10:48 AM UTC

exxxe said:


None said:


I think they hit the ignore button.


The community manager made multiple replies on he other BG thread but none here, how does this make you feel

we should not even allow duplicates 


so you want to discuss BG go to the thread where the CM responded 

you are as clever as a day old rock


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exxxe
29 November, 2016, 10:55 AM UTC

roftie said:


exxxe said:


None said:


I think they hit the ignore button.


The community manager made multiple replies on he other BG thread but none here, how does this make you feel

we should not even allow duplicates 


so you want to discuss BG go to the thread where the CM responded 

you are as clever as a day old rock


thanks 


at least i never offend someone and never judge how smart they are over a post in a game forum :)

I'am me and that is what i care about :)
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djmoody
29 November, 2016, 11:44 AM UTC

You offended plenty of people because I regularly get personal PM's complaining about you. 

Why people think I can do anything about it is a mystery to me..... but I guess I just get sent them as a respected member of the forum. People misinterpret thinking that means that would give some sway with Plarium.

(I can tell people that Plarium's propensity to listen to you is inversely proportional to your experience with the game and your level of effort and involvement with them via places like the forum - so I am the least likely to ever get listened to).

Everyone has a right to an opinion. No one has a right to their opinion being respected by other if it can't be backed up with rational and logic explanation
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exxxe
29 November, 2016, 12:05 PM UTC

djmoody said:


You offended plenty of people because I regularly get personal PM's complaining about you. 

Why people think I can do anything about it is a mystery to me..... but I guess I just get sent them as a respected member of the forum. People misinterpret thinking that means that would give some sway with Plarium.

(I can tell people that Plarium's propensity to listen to you is inversely proportional to your experience with the game and your level of effort and involvement with them via places like the forum - so I am the least likely to ever get listened to).

alright  :)


could you send the complaints to me as a PM i would appreciate it :) 


maybe you can shed some light have i ever offended you ??

( any answer you give i have to find it as a post i have written or a PM i have sent / Mods can see all deleted posts )

so all you have to do is say when or where what topic? what thread? ,,,etc because as i said even if the post is deleted we can see it :)

 

again send them to me through PM i will ask other Mods to check my posts ( all of them )


thx

I'am me and that is what i care about :)
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Juglar del Viento
Moderator
29 November, 2016, 6:12 PM UTC

Dear Lords

we, the mods, are here to try to help you and to try to mantein the forum clean and inside a structure

if you feel that our task is not made at the way you would like please feel free to send to Lord Oberon a PM explaining what you feel.

once this is said, i have to say that please post comments about the theme of the thread and dont use it for other purposes or themes in other case i will delete them

i point in this moment, here on public comment, me, Juglar del Viento, that im going to delete the post did by Lord Roftie. i consider its inapropiated completely and out of time and forms. i repeat if you have any complains about our activities and task send a PM to Lord Oberon.

Regards
Resistance Is Futile
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carolpringle59
29 November, 2016, 6:26 PM UTC
NIKITA METEOR said:

Hi! Unfortunately I haven't heard of the new system of rewards, because as I know we haven't changed it since June. As I see Battlegrounds are working well and our players receive good trophies. If you think that you have found a game bug which is related to BGs, please contact our Support Team.


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carolpringle59
29 November, 2016, 6:28 PM UTC
I'm Absolutely Peeeeeed Off at the wasting of thousands upon thousands of troops and gettting B/S pay outs This Game Sucks
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None
29 November, 2016, 8:54 PM UTC

exxxe said:


None said:


I think they hit the ignore button.


The community manager made multiple replies on he other BG thread but none here, how does this make you feel

we should not even allow duplicates 


so you want to discuss BG go to the thread where the CM responded 

So your suggesting that even though I started this thread 2 days before the other and since the CM replied on the other I should abandon my questions here??????????

I thank you for such sound advice, you are truly a plarium support candidate
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