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question for the expeienced of the game

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scroll2
22 September, 2016, 5:25 PM UTC

hello


let me know guys if this is right.


i have observed that you can not reduce the amount of spiers you lose during a spy


-so if the enemy has 50 spiers i will lose the same amount of spiers either i sent 100 either i sent 2000 either 10000, right?


and a second question on the same spirit ,


-how can i reduce my spy lost during a spy attemt?



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Jezebel
22 September, 2016, 5:54 PM UTC

to be honest I have never paid attention to it, I think its based on percentages so if I have 10 spies and you spy with 100 or if I have 50 spies and you spy with 100 you would lose more when spying when I have 50 spies 


also a castle with a higher intelligence bonus will make the spies stronger


Assassins are made to kill when they die so they will always take a spy out with them


to reduce spy loss use more spies


or just fireball to see if there are units which is what a lot of players have resorted to (not me personally) 

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scroll2
22 September, 2016, 8:25 PM UTC

thank you very much for your answer


it is truth they work as deffenders so the more spier somewhere the bigger damage to me when i try to spy


the truth is i have done some tests i have sent for example on the same castle a specific amount of spiers then i increased my amount  of spiers against the same amount of spiers but i lose the same amount of spiers always,this is probably cause spiers does nt have offence so this is what i tried to do is to increase my spiers for the smaller damage during the spying attempt but seems alway the damage is same either you sent 1000 against 10 either 500 against 10,


it is very long time i did this test and thats why i asked to refresh this memory and make more clear this section


thank you very much jezebel and any other answer is acceptable be sure anyone will help me 
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djmoody
24 September, 2016, 8:52 PM UTC

Raid mechanic.

It yields the result that sending more troops doesn't change the losses - you become a bigger proportion of the fight by sending more troops, take a smaller % loss but multiple that into a bigger number of troops. Maths is such that the effects cancel out - same troop loss.

You can have an impact on losses in smaller spying attempts, by:

1. Splitting your troops into different troops types

2. Using Legendaries

It's possible to get zero loss spying (like you can do zero loss attacks and zero loss BGs) and you can take advantage of rounding down by having split troop types.

What you really want to do is get good at calculating the defending amount of spies from small failed spy attempts. Then you can risk the big stack knowing you will succeed.

And if you master the siege mechanic then you won't ever need spies anymore - you can calculate defence from battle reports of small tester hits.

Everyone has a right to an opinion. No one has a right to their opinion being respected by other if it can't be backed up with rational and logic explanation
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scroll2
25 September, 2016, 11:13 AM UTC

thanks mody for your time to my post,just the 3 first lines is nt very clear once my english is nt very good


you mean there that it does nt matter the amount you sent it doenst matter if it is 1000 or 700  spiers against 50  i will lose the same amount,i think this you mean there :)







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djmoody
25 September, 2016, 12:46 PM UTC

Plarium have posted the mechanic in the forums.

Your Loss % = Def Power  / (Off Power + Def Power)

Your losses = Your Loss % * number of troops in each troop stack (well they didn't confirm that bit but its how it works)


So lets say each spy has 40 Power (not far from the actual number but nicely rounded)


Scenario 1:

- Someone defends with 10 spies. They have 400 power.

You spy them with 20 spies. You have 800 power.

- Your loss % is 400 / 1200 = 33%

- Your Loss is 33% * 20 = 6.6 = 7 (cause it rounds the result)

Scenario 2:

- Defence, the same 10 spies They have 400 power.

- You spy them with 50 spies. You have 2000 power.

- Your loss % is 400 / 2400 = 16.666%

- Your Loss is 16.66%% * 50 = 8.3 = 8 (cause it rounds the result)

Scenario 3:

- Defence, the same 10 spies They have 400 power.

- You spy them with 100 spies. You have 4000 power.

- Your loss % is 400 / 4400 = 9.090%

- Your Loss is 9.090%% * 100 = 9.1 = 9 (cause it rounds the result)

Scenario 4:

- Defence, the same 10 spies They have 400 power.

- You spy them with 1000 spies. You have 40000 power.

- Your loss % is 400 / 40400 = 0.990%

- Your Loss is 0.990%% * 1000 = 9.9 = 10 (cause it rounds the result)


So basically the losses stay reasonably constant no matter what you send, especially at the higher end.

You might be thinking - why does the loss go up slightly with bigger sends, it feels counter-intuative. That is because the mechanic isn't keeping your losses constant its keeping your loss and his the same (do the maths on his loss to see).  As the total power in the fight increases more troops from both sides die. Your equal share of the deaths therefore slightly increases.

So you can see the results don't change much no matter what you send. I am sure this is completely as expected by Plarium because the raid mechanic (the one for castles) means that no matter how overwhelmed a new or small player is the offensive player losses exactly the same number troops as the defender. 

The best send to minimise your losses is actually to only just win the fight (minimising both your losses, therefore minimising your losses). Didn't post that originally cause its difficult to understand and explain quickly - and to be honest if you walk away with, the losses are pretty much the same whatever you send (easy to understand) you are approximately right anyway (until the fights get near even).

Probably given away a lot too much here - stuff that people should really learn from thinking for themselves.

Everyone has a right to an opinion. No one has a right to their opinion being respected by other if it can't be backed up with rational and logic explanation
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sison
25 September, 2016, 5:12 PM UTC

ah mody  thanks


this is my other account but its me who post it.

you are very clear now good work 
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Alyona Kolomiitseva
Community Manager
26 September, 2016, 9:29 AM UTC
sison said:

ah mody  thanks


this is my other account but its me who post it.

you are very clear now good work 
Why do you have two accounts? 
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sison
26 September, 2016, 3:37 PM UTC

i just use 2,i am scroll librarian in my team and i made the scroll2 account to have more daily sent out limits instead of 2 ,4 per day

but after that i could nt have one inactive secondary account so i use it

if you think it is so terrible ok do whatever you want i did nt bully someone,i did nt make it for this reason i help my teamates and  and then i started use it as a secondary account let me know if it is so important to delet scroll2 account ,






















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brunsonthomas
Moderator
26 September, 2016, 5:43 PM UTC

sison said:


i just use 2,i am scroll librarian in my team and i made the scroll2 account to have more daily sent out limits instead of 2 ,4 per day

but after that i could nt have one inactive secondary account so i use it

if you think it is so terrible ok do whatever you want i did nt bully someone,i did nt make it for this reason i help my teamates and  and then i started use it as a secondary account let me know if it is so important to delet scroll2 account ,






















It is against the rules to have multiple accounts. Please close any alt account before has all your accounts banned from the game. Contact support to close the account at http://support.plarium.com/enstormfall/Tickets/Submit/Step1/48

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sison
26 September, 2016, 9:31 PM UTC

i would like to know the opinion of plarium


realy you know that system to find out the alts  is nt available

if one i.d.iot(sorry for the word) like me open his mouth then the system works


so over here we pretend that rules work 

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i dont feel rules breaker i respect your company i respect the other players and i did game,i did nt do something bad by having 2 accounts let us do our game untill you find a way stop all thise whith the alt accounts .


you need to realize you pretend when you stop one player while  out there is a tone of players do the same,it is pretending


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Alyona Kolomiitseva
Community Manager
27 September, 2016, 11:59 AM UTC
sison said:

i would like to know the opinion of plarium


realy you know that system to find out the alts  is nt available

Alts should be reported to our Support Team. No one else outside their team is authorized to check player accounts and take any measures against alts.
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sison
27 September, 2016, 2:16 PM UTC

i understand why the game builders set this rules,i agree about it there should be limits on the accounts i  just  said that plarium doesnt know who has alt and who not in the game,it is technically impossible ,only if someone say it(like me),only then they know it


i dont have any bad intention it is just  a  truth that if plarium ban me  in fact they dont stop the problem, if you want i can go  discuss it whith the support team,  just nobody will understand i worked there long period  and i would like keep this one,i can do a try but i am afraid of their answer i just wish i had never publish this post


i will do a try talk whith them once they are responsible about this thinks as you told me,anyway sorry





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IronApex Turok
27 September, 2016, 8:50 PM UTC
dont worry Sison, they wont do anything about it. 
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sison
27 September, 2016, 10:32 PM UTC

thanks turok,i hope they will understand


it is nt right build a second account and use it against other players over there i think is the breaking of the rules,if you do that then you disrespect the other players


if you use it to help your teamates and your self in case of danger then is ok


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the players who use 2 accounts against one player is completely unresponsible,it does nt represent me  and plarium is completely right when ban accounts cause of this,this players destroy the game when do this.


game need be fair if they feel my point is to have a second account because i want bully or dominate whith it is ok,they dont know me personally and they have any right to think this,it is truth when you have a second account you have some advantages but its all about how responsibly or not you use them.


thanks turok for your support,i apreciate and i hope they understand my point



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Alyona Kolomiitseva
Community Manager
28 September, 2016, 6:32 AM UTC
sison said:

i understand why the game builders set this rules,i agree about it there should be limits on the accounts i  just  said that plarium doesnt know who has alt and who not in the game,it is technically impossible ,only if someone say it(like me),only then they know it

You're right. We don't have any tools that would scan our game for alts 24/7. We can only check some information manually. So when our Support Team gets reports, they check the evidence and make a decision then.
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sison
28 September, 2016, 10:50 AM UTC

thanks alyone i already sent message to the support team once you told me they are responsible of this thinks


i hope they will understand me to me there is 2 ways break the game rules


  • coiner attack and bully a player who dont have moneys whith no reason
  • one no cc player bully or use extra deffence offence recources from his/her alt against another player

honestly i didnt make  it to do this yes i helped my self some times and sent deffence to my main castle it is truth and obviously thats it illegal and over rules

but i dont hide my self behind my fingers to play against someone whith the help of my alt account


many players have no sense of fairplay ,to me if you use something extra from your alt  aagainst someone is much more than breaking rule you cant be honest and responsible in your life if you follow this gamestyle


thanks alyona for being here :)
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Alyona Kolomiitseva
Community Manager
29 September, 2016, 9:10 AM UTC
sison said:

thanks alyone i already sent message to the support team once you told me they are responsible of this thinks


 Thank you.
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