COINING

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djmoody
15 September, 2016, 7:02 PM UTC
There is a very funny thread that doesnt deserve a flame war breaking out in it - so I have brought a post that I really want to respond to here, so it can be discussed desperately.

oracle said:


First I would like to say I am not a member of the emperors and UNFORTUNATELY I am not a member of the any of the leagues in the fight. I am just a soul out to tell the truth, and hopefully SHED light on some issues, particularly concerning the alleged fund.

ONE THING THE IS NO FUND.

The so called fund used to fund players, unfortunately doesn't exist. There is no fund used to pay for a players army. Or in any sense of how it has been postulated. These of cause can be countered with ''facts'', screenshot whatever. The story abound that the UE, now The Emperors use a paypal fund to, well buy hammers. But of cause that is far from the truth, after all those hammers  has been in the all time offence ranking since day one (position 15), although they were known as a different name, example is Freenzie who was known as  " acuulaa' or is it 'acula' or akula. Never mind that. If you come to know Freenzie very well you will come to know how she grind hard for her army. How she participate hard in the raid ranking, how she participate in PvP to earn good army. 

The alleged trust ''fund'' was a in fact the aftershock of smaller players losing high number of defense during the late beacon spawn. The idea was to get those players back to the original position they were at. Situation at the time warranted it. lots of defense was lot. ''Bad leadership lead to such, now the leadership must pay.'' as one person once said. Only certain number of players we asked to offer their support, to get such players back in line. to help them restore their defense. NO hammers were such persons. So truth be told freenzie and others hasn't used a cent of the money. AND THAT IS A FACT. All these bad mouthing need to stop.

The second time the fund was set up was to help raise around 5K $ not 50K $ for upgrading of fort. situation at the time warranted it, our defense was in danger the longer it stayed in the beacons. But the whole thing was placed on halt because they was a better opportunity in the tournament, and seeing that we have better chance was at winning 6.5K sapphires for each player.

You can send screenshots, you can spin things around. But the fact is not more than 3K $ has ever been in that account/ ''fund''. 


I am aware of how some people operate, My intense hatred for such people is not based on recent development, nor based on personal different I ever had with them, but is a result of my experience with them, observation of them, study of their blatant lies and through their literature and other dreadful philosophical works. Their style is similar a stream of nonconsecutive lies/confusion arranged in arbitrary sequence and soliciting a sporadic and discontinuous attention. These attention is like a cage, it blind you from the the truth, it withhold you from reason. its a spell that even attack the one who cast it.

The position that they is a ''fund''  can't be maintanained, these is becasue your ideas are illogical and conseptually juxtaposed. You will need to look more deeply and decide which way you wish to proceed. After all you can't have your cake and eat it too.
  

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djmoody
15 September, 2016, 7:03 PM UTC

When a league buys a 3 member hammer back up from 250m ish to 800m in a couple of months and then grows its from 800m to 1.5bn in a couple of weeks that is $50k-$100k of spending. Possible a lot more if its being done inefficiently.

Telling us that Frenzie is just raiding hard is just the most ridiculous pointless lie in the history of lies.

Raiding can add max of 3m power per month. With armour and boosts on that number could grow a bit - the 3m could be 5m with all boosts. Frenzie is posting screenshots of 720m army. It was only a few months back she had totaled nearly everything she had.

In the only time Frenzie talked to me in voice comms (i.e. literally talking not typing) she told me she was a medical student in Australia. Either she lied (I see no point in her volunteering the info and then lying about it), she has super rich parents who are happy to fund a $50k a month gaming habit or a load of people are funding the account (or I suppose to be complete on the options; Plarum gave them the money; or a Plarium member of staff fraudulently credited them the money).

But to be honest, whether "the fund" is being used to buy the hammer or whether the 3 players themselves are investing tens of thousands of dollars the point remains.... this is the 3rd time that my league has been involved in a war where the other side takes part solely on the back of stupid, retarded levels of uber coining. 

The difference now is that the game is x9 cheaper than it was in the previous wars, so the chance that a small number of people can buy the server and wreck the game indefinitely is significantly greater than it ever was.

Incidentally it's also the 3rd time that the people trying to buy the game have claimed my side is the bullies and started a propaganda war on the forums that is nothing less than a tissue of  lies.... but I digress.

Should have given this stupid game up a long time ago, never has it served up anything like enjoyable strategy for me.

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Jezebel
15 September, 2016, 7:15 PM UTC

Thanks DJ I love Marc's Topic so I deleted my response to Oracle and will post it here.


http://prnt.sc/cieo2u


He stated there was no proof of a fund that paid for the hammer troops in Emps, this screen was a message that was sent out in May of this year.


It can speak for itself 

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djmoody
15 September, 2016, 7:18 PM UTC

Yeah its getting tired being called a bunch of liars when the people lying are the other side - and they aren't just telling the odd white lie they have gone full on ballisitc super BS (bit like the hight of Friction when he would tell a lie anyway even when the truth could have made his point for him -pathalogical).

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thefray
15 September, 2016, 7:31 PM UTC
I'll bet they are buying just sapphires for JUST the fortress, the players who control this account aren't buying the troop packages because they would then have a large amount of something like thieves, we all know we need 10k in thieves between 3 players since it takes less than 50 to do a raid and 10 raids per day does equal roughly 3000 thieves needed.
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thefray
15 September, 2016, 7:36 PM UTC

So this person is not in Emperors but can without a speck of doubt confirm that the league isn't doing what Shin is asking them to do by paying to revive their hammer.


How nice it must be to be able to throw all your troops at something, not play strategically because they will be bought back by the league.


We all know 500k in a PvP tourney is profitable, I have never been over 100k so I am sure those extra 400k in points pay a handsome (secret) reward, as I have only seen them stop well below that. That must be the secret to growth, can someone who has seen the awesome PvP rewards to make you grow as exponentially as Frenzie please send or share the screen shot for us mere mortals.
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djmoody
15 September, 2016, 8:17 PM UTC


Thieves in Emps hammer, that Fray is mentioning. Not to mention the Eldritch dragons which apart from a few from Saga quests can only be obtained from buying packages.
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Knightmare
15 September, 2016, 8:23 PM UTC

Damn, that is one hammer, how much coin do you guestimate that thing cost?


Looks like a 4th job for someone.
Nug Life !
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djmoody
15 September, 2016, 8:29 PM UTC

Someone just passed me a pick of a $199 package offer (boosts and units). It has 50 thieves in the pack. It's not really a good offer and the troops should have been bought using a different offer but as its the only info I have on expensive packages infront of me - just for a rough idea.

9,937 thieves - 50 thieves per $199 package, 198 lots of 50 in 9937, 198 x $199 = $35k. And that could just be 1 persons thieves, not representing the spending on all 3 accounts and would have spent a lot more if used packages with less thieves.


*** EDIT *** I just got the info on the most cost effective package, the one that gives the largest power/sapphires and it doesn't even have thieves in it!!!!!! Not only do these morons know nothing about the game mechanics they can't even work out the cheapest package when spending tens of thousands on the game. Utter utter morons, stupidity of the highest degree. "Empty headed Emps".

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thefray
15 September, 2016, 8:38 PM UTC

Not to mention what was posted above, Shin specifically mentioning the league contribute to a league paypal to revive their hammer.


http://prnt.sc/cieo2u


I can only guess there was a similar one to increase their hammer because as I quote " a League is only as strong as the biggest hammer they have" per Shin himself.



Now raise your right hand and repeat "I promise to tell the whole truth"

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Gadheras
16 September, 2016, 1:22 AM UTC

such spending on a game like this is quite frankly retarded, and better spent at send yourselfs to reform school to learn better.


We don't have to fear Plariums excesive push on pay to win destroying the game. The ones paying for it, does a good job at it already. 
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joaomin
16 September, 2016, 2:11 AM UTC

So what and who cares if someone is spending money on the game , its obvious this game is about who has the most money , you have all spent money on the game yourselves at some point , why throw a tantrum over someone spending more than you , if you don,t like it then don,t play the game , looks to me like you are only mad because you don,t have the funds to do it nor the brains to have your own league paypal 

get a grip DJ its only a game 
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Gadheras
16 September, 2016, 2:14 AM UTC
joaomin said:

So what and who cares if someone is spending money on the game , its obvious this game is about who has the most money , you have all spent money on the game yourselves at some point , why throw a tantrum over someone spending more than you , if you don,t like it then don,t play the game , looks to me like you are only mad because you don,t have the funds to do it nor the brains to have your own league paypal 

get a grip DJ its only a game 
I think it stop being a game and become more like an obsession when spending at this level take place. In any case its retarded at its best.
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djmoody
16 September, 2016, 4:59 AM UTC

joaomin said:


So what and who cares if someone is spending money on the game , its obvious this game is about who has the most money , you have all spent money on the game yourselves at some point , why throw a tantrum over someone spending more than you , if you don,t like it then don,t play the game , looks to me like you are only mad because you don,t have the funds to do it nor the brains to have your own league paypal 

get a grip DJ its only a game 

I didn't get mad about it. I made a post to expose a ridiculously blatant lie for what it was. 

I have known for ages that this is a stupidly unbalanced game. It wasn't like this when I first started playing. Unfortunately having invested so much time in it already it's difficult to just quit.

With regards to funds I have cash in the bank right now to spend more in the game than Emps have spent in total over the last 3 months. It would be easy to say "these holes aren't going to buy victory, I'll show them". 

It would also be utterly stupid to do that. I would donate all of it to charity rather than waste it on pixels for a game that is hardly worth a $5 subscription. Plarium don't deserve the money for starters. It would only be a monument to my stupendous ego, buying a win, in a strategy game, where the point is to pit your wits and intelligence against someone else. You are actually bypassing the fun. And morally you are ruining the game for virtually everyone else while you flatter your own ego.

I don't get mad about it. I get quite sad about it tbh. It's broken for all parties except Plarium, even the coiners I suspect only get fleeting warm feelings and then regret for a long time the money they have spent.

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thefray
16 September, 2016, 5:04 AM UTC
joaomin said:

So what and who cares if someone is spending money on the game , its obvious this game is about who has the most money , you have all spent money on the game yourselves at some point , why throw a tantrum over someone spending more than you , if you don,t like it then don,t play the game , looks to me like you are only mad because you don,t have the funds to do it nor the brains to have your own league paypal 

get a grip DJ its only a game 
Congrats on your very first post. Spend some time catching up before jumping in the deep end, nobody cares about casual coining. You obviously don't have the brains to figure out the other part of the point is the person verifying there is no such account and if it did exist it was for fortress only only to be disproved AGAIN but thanks for playing.
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Trentos
16 September, 2016, 8:07 AM UTC

Those screen shots of some "supposedly" coined hammer are ridiculous. Why don't we share screen shots of Destiny's hammers as an example of what hypocrites they are? I wouldn't, as I believe that would be dishonourable. 

Like all games, people will always spend within their own budget. DJMOODY put it perfectly. We have players that have never spent a penny, and others (one ex-KOK member for example) that had spent upwards of $150K!!! That is nothing compared to what the UC has donated to Plarium. For me these coining accusations are become ridiculous, and always the same crazies throwing the mud. Let your troops do the talking, and less time trying to spread propaganda in the forums.

As for THEFRAY, you really need to learn to debate a point rather than rely on childish character assassination. But at the end of the day it's up to you how you wish to be viewed by others
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Roftie
16 September, 2016, 8:24 AM UTC

Trentos said:


Those screen shots of some "supposedly" coined hammer are ridiculous. Why don't we share screen shots of Destiny's hammers as an example of what hypocrites they are? I wouldn't, as I believe that would be dishonourable. 

Like all games, people will always spend within their own budget. DJMOODY put it perfectly. We have players that have never spent a penny, and others (one ex-KOK member for example) that had spent upwards of $150K!!! That is nothing compared to what the UC has donated to Plarium. For me these coining accusations are become ridiculous, and always the same crazies throwing the mud. Let your troops do the talking, and less time trying to spread propaganda in the forums.

As for THEFRAY, you really need to learn to debate a point rather than rely on childish character assassination. But at the end of the day it's up to you how you wish to be viewed by others

Hi Trent


This debate is about the link posted by an ex emps player and the validity there-of.

Yes Destiny KoK and a lot of others spend for themselves.

But the reason for this blog is what the ex emps player has brought up.

And as far as "supposedly" goes......... I dont know if you know that Nick Wailey is shin so look at this and tell me what you think.

http://prntscr.com/cilrxe

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Trentos
16 September, 2016, 9:16 AM UTC

Yes I know Shin. I don't understand how you would think this would be some big secret. As far as posting Facebook account info, or even worse fixed business IP addresses as the disgraced moderator Biohazard did, this is just not cool. In fact, it is illegal in many jurisdictions. I would even go as far as suggesting that posting of Private messages in a public forum is a low act. If you disagree with me that is fine. But don't expect any respect from players that have ethics.

Yes Destiny KoK and a lot of others spend for themselves

So you are saying the UC have not had a large fund for some time? Come on Mate. This is a blatant lie!!!

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joaomin
16 September, 2016, 9:40 AM UTC

i can see whats happening here , if you cannot compete because you got out coined take to the forums and slander the ones that out coined you 


hipocrite
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Jezebel
16 September, 2016, 10:28 AM UTC

joaomin said:


i can see whats happening here , if you cannot compete because you got out coined take to the forums and slander the ones that out coined you 


hipocrite

Have I spent money on the game?  Yes, but I choose how much and when.


Would I tell someone else they need to spend money on the game? Never.


Would I expect a league member to donate money to build another player's troop force?  Absolutely not.

I really like our hammer players but sorry I am not going to buy you troops :)


Do I want people how to learn to play the game without spending thousands of dollars?  Yes.


The person who spent $150k on the game lost his offense trying to take Destiny off the map.  

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