Succubus Vs Assassin - The unusual

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Rodeo
3 September, 2016, 7:08 PM UTC

Hello everyone,


Starting this Topic to discuss as to why the Assassin unit cost 1364 Maranian Amulets , whereas the Succubus unit cost 888 Maranian Amulets?


Picture uploaded for comparison.



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toggit
3 September, 2016, 7:26 PM UTC
Assassin unit can be sent to kill enemy spies
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Rodeo
4 September, 2016, 5:40 PM UTC

toggit said:


Assassin unit can be sent to kill enemy spies

Hello toggit,


i was really inspired by the way the Assassin fought with Pathfinder in the Plarium live stream below,


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9whMMW-d82I


but looking at her stats , forget about Pathfinder , she cant even compete with Succubus on one on one.



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FAILO
4 September, 2016, 6:19 PM UTC
Like toggit said Assassins can kill enemy spy's when used for spying so actually Assassins can kill succubus. as for assassns vs pathfinders this will only happen if assasins are defending whitch would be foolish as their power to kill spies in spying attempts
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Rodeo
5 September, 2016, 4:56 AM UTC

FAILO said:


Like toggit said Assassins can kill enemy spy's when used for spying so actually Assassins can kill succubus. as for assassns vs pathfinders this will only happen if assasins are defending whitch would be foolish as their power to kill spies in spying attempts

FAILO,


Just wanted to understand your statement.


Lets say enemy castle is defended with 1 Silent one having Defensive power against Bestiary = 30. you meant to say the Assassin with Spying power of 30 can kill that 1 Silent one and come out of that castle alive with a Report?


Lets say enemy castle is defended with 1 Succubus having Defensive power against Bestiary = 43. you meant to say the Assassin with Spying power of 30 can kill that 1 SUccubus and come out of that castle alive with a Report?


Lets say enemy castle is defended with 1 Ballista having Defensive power against Bestiary = 120. you meant to say the Assassin with Spying power of 30 can kill and come out of that castle alive?



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Alyona Kolomiitseva
Community Manager
5 September, 2016, 6:23 AM UTC

Assassins kill your enemies spy Units. It means that if you send Silent ones, they can be killed by your enemy Spy Units, but won't drag anyone to the grave with them. 

Assassins will. 
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Rodeo
5 September, 2016, 6:38 AM UTC

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:


Assassins kill your enemies spy Units. It means that if you send Silent ones, they can be killed by your enemy Spy Units, but won't drag anyone to the grave with them. 

Assassins will. 

Kindly be more Specific,


if 1 Spy is defending enemy castle, if i send 2 Spies to his castle , one of my  spy will die and the other spy will return with a victory report. In this case out of 2 spies i have sent, the Dead spy took the enemy spy to his grave.


Also from your comments, it is getting clear that Assassins will only indulge in combat with Silent one and Succubus. It doesn't combat with any other offense or defense units.


I would say then an assassin is just a bogus unit .



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Drogar61
5 September, 2016, 8:04 AM UTC

@Rodeo

Your spy will die, enemy killer spy (any kind) will survive

Your Assassin will die, enemy killer spy (any kind) will die too.
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Rodeo
5 September, 2016, 8:20 AM UTC

Drogar61 said:


@Rodeo

Your spy will die, enemy killer spy (any kind) will survive

Your Assassin will die, enemy killer spy (any kind) will die too.

it is getting clear that Assassins will only indulge in combat with Silent one and Succubus. It doesn't combat with any other offense or defense units.

They take only silent one or Succubus to their grave.


Another argument here is on an one on one combat with Succubus , assassins will die. correct?


Coz - 1 Succubus having Defensive power against Bestiary = 43


in that case, Plarium live stream below is then misleading players,


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9whMMW-d82I


Also , i'm correct in saying that Assassins unit are just a bogus unit.


Reason - let say enemy castle is having 100 Spies + some Defense. if i send my huge offense units , it not only wipes out their defense but it is going to wipe out the Spies unit as well.

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Snowgoon
5 September, 2016, 1:45 PM UTC

All spy units are bogus - we send them expecting to fail and they usually do so. Even sending hundreds of spies tells us very little and only warns the defenders that an attack is imminent, often giving them time to reinforce, or hide their units.


Maybe the format is wrong - If we successfully spy with no casualties then defenders should have no battle report to warn them. How could they possibly know that they have been spied upon? .... especially if our assassins have killed their spies.
Any spy mission, liberation or raid that is 100% successful should leave no evidence behind - It is ridiculous that defenders get a full battle report every time, even though none survive to tell the tale

But I have often won sapphires from sending a few Assassin units to enemy beacons etc during tournament, finishing in top ten on a number of occasions - but this was much easier below level 61 or on other servers

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Rodeo
5 September, 2016, 7:49 PM UTC

Snowgoon said:


All spy units are bogus - we send them expecting to fail and they usually do so. Even sending hundreds of spies tells us very little and only warns the defenders that an attack is imminent, often giving them time to reinforce, or hide their units.


Maybe the format is wrong - If we successfully spy with no casualties then defenders should have no battle report to warn them. How could they possibly know that they have been spied upon? .... especially if our assassins have killed their spies.
Any spy mission, liberation or raid that is 100% successful should leave no evidence behind - It is ridiculous that defenders get a full battle report every time, even though none survive to tell the tale

But I have often won sapphires from sending a few Assassin units to enemy beacons etc during tournament, finishing in top ten on a number of occasions - but this was much easier below level 61 or on other servers

Hello Snowgoon,


what i understood from DROGAR & ALYONA was, even if you have sent 1000 Silent ones to an enemy castle with 100 Silent ones guarding that castle, out of your 1000 silent ones , 100 units will die. you will have a return with 900 silent ones + victory report.


However the 100 Silent ones guarding the enemy castle will be still alive in their castle so they naturally will report it. your 100 dead spies in their castle is clearly an evidence for them to report.

Lets take another scenario, you are sending 1 Silent one to an enemy castle, if there is no silent one guarding that castle, then i would say the enemy castle should not get any report about my spy attempt.


Lets take another scenario, you are sending 1 Assassin to an enemy castle, there is 1 silent one guarding that castle, then i would say the enemy castle should not get any report about my spying attempt. my assassin should not leave any trace about killing the enemy spy and hence no report on my attempt to enemy.

The Problem starts when you are sending 1 Assassin to an enemy castle, and there are 2 silent one guarding that castle, then i would say that enemy castle will get a report about my spying attempt. my assassin will be dead but she would have left 1 Silent one alive  leaving trace about killing the enemy spy and hence report will get generated.


 May be if they increase 1 Assassins strength to kill 10 silent ones without a trace then it means something.











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vakonziko
5 September, 2016, 8:04 PM UTC
most retarded posts i've read this year
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Rodeo
6 September, 2016, 4:03 AM UTC
vakonziko said:

most retarded posts i've read this year
Thank you...other then your SURCASM...do you have any other inputs. i'm happy to take it as a feedback.
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Rodeo
6 September, 2016, 7:00 AM UTC
vakonziko said:

most retarded posts i've read this year
I have given you 1 more like ...for your Surcasm
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Alyona Kolomiitseva
Community Manager
6 September, 2016, 7:09 AM UTC

Drogar is right. Only assassins kill enemy spies when they're attacking. While defending all spies do that. 

As for the live stream, what's misleading in there? A promo video? But it doesn't have to be accurate, it wasn't created to represent the game mechanics.
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Rodeo
6 September, 2016, 9:52 AM UTC

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:


Drogar is right. Only assassins kill enemy spies when they're attacking. While defending all spies do that. 

As for the live stream, what's misleading in there? A promo video? But it doesn't have to be accurate, it wasn't created to represent the game mechanics.

Hi Alyona,


The Live stream is really good , i wish assassins unit can do what is shown in the Promo.

Point 1:


instead of restricting assassin to indulge in combat only with silent one and succubus, allow assassin to indulge in combat with any offense or defense unit like a true Assassin.


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Alyona Kolomiitseva
Community Manager
6 September, 2016, 11:16 AM UTC

Rodeo said:

Hi Alyona,


The Live stream is really good , i wish assassins unit can do what is shown in the Promo.

Point 1:


instead of restricting assassin to indulge in combat only with silent one and succubus, allow assassin to indulge in combat with any offense or defense unit like a true Assassin.

Oh, I see... But this Unit has its own place in our game mechanics and Unit balance. I don't think our devs will ever make any changes to it. But I guess you know that too.
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Gadheras
6 September, 2016, 12:28 PM UTC
Alyona Kolomiitseva said:

Rodeo said:

Hi Alyona,


The Live stream is really good , i wish assassins unit can do what is shown in the Promo.

Point 1:


instead of restricting assassin to indulge in combat only with silent one and succubus, allow assassin to indulge in combat with any offense or defense unit like a true Assassin.

Oh, I see... But this Unit has its own place in our game mechanics and Unit balance. I don't think our devs will ever make any changes to it. But I guess you know that too.
How about Assassins could be used to degrade enemy hero. Lets say the it inflict damage (penality) uppon the hero's stats. So you could send assassins first to hurt the hero and then you send troops to attack with, a form for weaken the defence.
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Alyona Kolomiitseva
Community Manager
7 September, 2016, 8:13 AM UTC
Gadheras said:


How about Assassins could be used to degrade enemy hero. Lets say the it inflict damage (penality) uppon the hero's stats. So you could send assassins first to hurt the hero and then you send troops to attack with, a form for weaken the defence.
Sounds interesting. I've heard that we're planning to improve the Hero feature. So it's possible that our devs will include some sort of interaction with him.
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Snowgoon
7 September, 2016, 12:13 PM UTC

Just to prove that spy units really are bogus - We just killed  80 enemy spies but all I got was 3xp

Pathetic

Under the original xp system I would get 4xp per spy killed - Spies are seroiusly undervalued by the game now


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