why the fortress is a joke

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Drogar61
24 February, 2016, 2:43 AM UTC
Mehnslayer said:

This was not the intent, and the glory points should hopefully be changed very shortly.
In meantime send us 10K sapps each while we're waiting 
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Mehnslayer
24 February, 2016, 2:58 AM UTC
Drogar61 said:

Mehnslayer said:

This was not the intent, and the glory points should hopefully be changed very shortly.
In meantime send us 10K sapps each while we're waiting 
Sure if you give me the money to buy them, because I don't have 10k sapphires
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Kvothe
24 February, 2016, 3:45 AM UTC
Mehnslayer said:

Drogar61 said:

Mehnslayer said:

This was not the intent, and the glory points should hopefully be changed very shortly.
In meantime send us 10K sapps each while we're waiting 
Sure if you give me the money to buy them, because I don't have 10k sapphires
You do realize that this thread is about tomes not glory points right?
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Mehnslayer
24 February, 2016, 4:16 AM UTC
Mehnslayer said:

djmoody said:

Lord Oberon said:


true but then why hurry to release a major update so flawed... 

Sometimes a feature would go live before all its flaws are discovered. This is a reality of game development. We never intend this to happen, but there will always be bugs and oversights despite all the testing. We ask for your understanding and thank you for bearing with us while we're improving the game.

So did people literally pull the number of glory points and tomes needed to level up versus the rewards we get out of a hat at random.

Simple maths like that done by the poster shows this was messed up from inception.

Not about coding or anything remotely difficult, this was horrendous game design (or just cynically putting the rewards out of the reach of being earned and sapphire only). Who knows..... utterly stupid or utterly greedy. It's one of the other though.

FYI there was a teamspeak meeting between major league this weekend. This update was utterly condemn by absolutely everyone. The level of discontent went as far as some calling for sapphire boycotts. Just to let you know how seriously the player base feel about this failed update... (which represents the only truely new content in 1.5yrs)

This was not the intent, and the glory points should hopefully be changed very shortly.
The reply seems reasonable to me, you might just need to actually read into it with context rather then reading a quote which could be misconstrude 
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mrfreezzzz
24 February, 2016, 8:35 AM UTC

Kvothe said:


Mehnslayer said:


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You do realize that this thread is about tomes not glory points right?

actually not quite so. it's about the fortress not working as is. 

in terms of glory points, for instance, you'll need a total of 856800 glory points to upgrade to lvl 20. if we were to receive a maximum of 70 pts per reward, that's 12240 rewards to unlock the fortress last level.

the upgrade times are not any better thought out either...


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mrfreezzzz
25 February, 2016, 7:58 AM UTC
Lord Oberon said:

Dear Lords and Ladies, 


We have considered all the feedback that we received about this feature so far and we will be making changes in the nearest future. 


1. You will receive more Glory Points in the Tournaments.

2. You will be able to see the defense/offence stats of the Units stationed in your Fortresses. 


We thank you for your criticism and we hope to improve the feature very soon with one of the next updates. 

great but what about tomes? (which were the exemple in my demonstration, in the first place)
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Timmyboy
26 February, 2016, 6:26 AM UTC

You guys honestly thought you could get a fortress to lvl 20 with no effort or upgrade knowledge to lvl 20 and get +20% on your troops with no effort, Fortresses are here to be a long term thing, Rome wasn't built in a day, and +5% on troops is a massive thing to have over other leagues if your league can get that done.


Lets enjoy the free bonuses we have gotten and remember every league is competing on an equal playing field here, which means it is costly for everyone, Yes they will revise it which has been mentioned not only here but everywhere Plarium posts about them anywhere. In the meantime enjoy the new feature and chose to participate or not, if your league is smart the fortresses have been a good addition but yes certainly a costly one too, my suggestion is make players able to contribute patrial to a glory points upgrade and as mentioned events could give a little more, and tomes could be a bit cheaper.

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mrfreezzzz
26 February, 2016, 7:14 AM UTC

this is a game, not an empire capital. it should be entertaining and fun to play, before anything else. now, fortresses will be a very long term thing, you got that right, when it will take months to simply upgrade 1 bonus level.

 besides, how could bonuses be "free" when the tomes could be "cheaper"?

that being said, you're missing the point: it's not about the fortress concept, but the way it was thought out, designed, and implemented .


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djmoody
27 February, 2016, 12:52 PM UTC

Timmyboy said:


 every league is competing on an equal playing field here, 

Way to miss the fundamental flaw of fortresses.

They CAN NOT be reasonable upgraded and knowledge can not be reasonable obtained by in-game play. As pointed out by the op the time is astronomical.

They are effectively ONLY available to coiners/spenders.

That it the most horrible game mechanic and is the fastest way to close the game down. Not many people are on the forum, not many people vocally complain, the vast majority when faced with a cynical pay to win only game just quit. I have seen this exact pattern that Plarium are going down on a similar RTS game, it died and closed (and the basic game play was significantly better and more varied that Stormfall).

So no, it's the exact opposite - its the most un-level playing field possible.

And nearly equally as bad - you can't earn faster progression by being a more organised, better or active league. Glory points and tomes need just 1 player to complete an event. The next 149 players who make the same achievement gain the league nothing. So they haven't even managed to make it a league event.

The update has been horribly implemented on almost every level and in every decision made. Utter shame as the fundamental idea was great, the execution was aweful.

Everyone has a right to an opinion. No one has a right to their opinion being respected by other if it can't be backed up with rational and logic explanation
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mrfreezzzz
5 March, 2016, 5:22 PM UTC

and although the latest "fortress" tournament may appear great at first, it's just a quick bandaid, certainly not a definitive solution.

"yeah look, we can win 8000 tomes!!" but a level 8 bonus will need 25600 tomes. and a level 10, 102 400 tomes.  and level 15, 3 276 800 tomes.


the way to fix this is NOT by giving out tomes rewards, either you won't give enough to reach higher levels, or you'll give too many and every one will have all bonuses up to level 10 in no time!

the whole thing should be taken back to the drawing board, (re?)thought out, but of course, that is just not going to happen...

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