New Feature: Prize Draws!

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Gadheras
7 December, 2016, 10:06 AM UTC

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:


Guys, please re-read my reply once again. When we released Prize Draws, we made sure they won't go against any laws, so please stop making false accusations here. 

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One of the most importand conditions of Gambling is an ability to win real money (or some other values). As you can't convert in-game currency into the real money, Prize Draws cannot be classified as gambling.

Also, you do not invest real money in Draws. You invest tickets you buy for Sapphires that can be obtained via different in-game activities.

If you made a new type of currency ingame that could be only obtainable by ingame activties... why not use moon coins... then you could claim that, but as long as you use a currency that also can be purchased by real cash, then there is a issue tbh.


Would this even been an event if  people wouldn't spend cash on sapphires to buy tickets with? Please be honest now Alyona. We all know the answer to that, NO it wouldn't. the entire purpose is to get us the players to spend cash on sapphires to spend. 


The whole thing doesn't affect me, as I would NEVER spend on a thing like this, I rather would buy a lottery ticket in rl where I could win cash or what not benefit me in the real world. But this whole event is sending Plarium to a whole new low, just saying. Running out of ideas to milk us from cash?

 
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jumy
7 December, 2016, 10:08 AM UTC

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:


jumy said:




i can only see 1 page in winner, but ehy is amazing

randomness by Plarium



there are more chances that you drops a meteorite in the head


We have checked all similar situations. Nothing was wrong. Players actively participated in Draws and in many cases they invested more than 1 ticket. Each ticket has equal chances of winning. However, each player can buy multiple tickets to have better chances.


I agree with you, it is so OK for Plarium, read well


edit and add this 


in the future may be lost

The truth hurts
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Snowgoon
7 December, 2016, 2:18 PM UTC

Lord Oberon said:


New Feature: Prize Draws!


The more Tickets you enter, the better your chances of winning a Reward!

I wonder how long it will be before the bots start buying tickets.

There are enough of them to guarantee winning every prize draw.

Better not roll this out on the Pirate game or the Russian bot owners will drain you dry. RUaL league will take everything you offer them
Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way - Pink Floyd - http://prnt.sc/dv923b
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FAILO
7 December, 2016, 2:29 PM UTC
Alyona Kolomiitseva said:

jumy said:




i can only see 1 page in winner, but ehy is amazing

randomness by Plarium



there are more chances that you drops a meteorite in the head


We have checked all similar situations. Nothing was wrong. Players actively participated in Draws and in many cases they invested more than 1 ticket. Each ticket has equal chances of winning. However, each player can buy multiple tickets to have better chances.


i have bought max tickets for multible packs and i have not yet won.. i seriously dought the randomness. the TRUTH it is random by who spent the most recently gets the most
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nobody
7 December, 2016, 6:36 PM UTC

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:


Guys, please re-read my reply once again. When we released Prize Draws, we made sure they won't go against any laws, so please stop making false accusations here. 

QUOTE:

One of the most importand conditions of Gambling is an ability to win real money (or some other values). As you can't convert in-game currency into the real money, Prize Draws cannot be classified as gambling.

Also, you do not invest real money in Draws. You invest tickets you buy for Sapphires that can be obtained via different in-game activities.

I do not need to read your post again.

I do not care if you have covered your backs legally because you offer nothing real. You do take real life tender, the majority of sapphires are purchased with real life tender. {I am repeating myself}

A lottery is gambling, bingo is gambling, a raffle is gambling, pachinko is gambling. Whether it is legalized or if it is illegal, it is gambling. If you get away with illegal gambling because you buy back ball bearings outside of the gambling parlor, or whether it is considered non illegal because you offer nothing in return, for the participant they are gambling, they are spending a resource in order to through luck gain a higher amount of resources. This is gambling.

A state makes a profit when holding a lottery by taking out a vig, this is how casinos make their money. Plarium’s lottery has a 17% vig, a profit taken off the top. In addition to all the other vigs in the game, plarium has decided to hold a lottery at a 17% vig. This, this is the “the developers have higher priority projects” as well as “plarium has its own vision”.

What we are stating is that we hate plariums vision and priority. {or at least I am}. I do not care if you have covered your back legally in order to release predatory new content. I state I do not want this. And there is now absolutely no trust or respect at all for plarium and its extensions.

You stated this:

"Therefore, when we develop a new feature, we make sure it will not negatively affect the game balance".

i suggest that an emphasis be put on {when we develop a new feature} that it will not be a manipulative slap in the face, disrespecting the player base with no intention other than to sink the resources of the player.  this in my opinion, has a negative affect on the individual player.

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IronApex Turok
7 December, 2016, 6:46 PM UTC

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:


Guys, please re-read my reply once again. When we released Prize Draws, we made sure they won't go against any laws, so please stop making false accusations here. 

QUOTE:

One of the most importand conditions of Gambling is an ability to win real money (or some other values). As you can't convert in-game currency into the real money, Prize Draws cannot be classified as gambling.

Also, you do not invest real money in Draws. You invest tickets you buy for Sapphires that can be obtained via different in-game activities.

I have spoken to my lawyer regarding this new feature and my continuuing to play the game.....


you are in fact breaking the law in my state. whether you are doing this online, or in brick and morter makes no difference. the transaction is happening at my keyboard. 


i can no longer legally spend money on the game.  two things put me in legal jeopardy here:

1) there is no way to differentiate which sapphires spent on ticket draws are won in game and which ones are payed for with real money.   

2) there is a prize won. and plarium is not a legal entity in my state to raffle a prize. 




If for some reason i got caught gambling it would cost me my business license. gambling is a HUGE no-no in the bar industry.   


  
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nobody
7 December, 2016, 6:47 PM UTC

roadstar Pitbull said:


Remember dear plaruim staff etal, the first step to healing any issue is to to admit your the problem....

predatory online game companies anonymous

POGCA
 
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Juglar del Viento
Moderator
7 December, 2016, 8:17 PM UTC

Dear Lords

i wonder how many of u plays another game in which you have to spin the roulette once at day and you win a boost. and i wonder how many can use that game currency to spin an extra round. and i wonder how many of you are considering that thas spinning roulette consider it gambling and if its illegal or not

and yep im sure that game is played by very younger people.

please be serious most of we are combing white hear long years ago.

Regards and enjoy


Resistance Is Futile
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Gadheras
7 December, 2016, 8:28 PM UTC

Juglar del Viento said:


Dear Lords

i wonder how many of u plays another game in which you have to spin the roulette once at day and you win a boost. and i wonder how many can use that game currency to spin an extra round. and i wonder how many of you are considering that thas spinning roulette consider it gambling and if its illegal or not

and yep im sure that game is played by very younger people.

please be serious most of we are combing white hear long years ago.

Regards and enjoy


I had great fun play red dead redemption and play cards, I had fun play The Wticher and play gwent... and so forth. difference is... I had no option to use my credit card to pay for chips and tickets.



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Juglar del Viento
Moderator
7 December, 2016, 8:36 PM UTC

Gadheras said:

I had great fun play red dead redemption and play cards, I had fun play The Wticher and play gwent... and so forth. difference is... I had no option to use my credit card to pay for chips and tickets.


you have many ways to get sapphires in game without using credit card so please be serious my thought is that all this is only for the pleasure of arguing.

Regards
Resistance Is Futile
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Gadheras
7 December, 2016, 8:52 PM UTC

Juglar del Viento said:


Gadheras said:

I had great fun play red dead redemption and play cards, I had fun play The Wticher and play gwent... and so forth. difference is... I had no option to use my credit card to pay for chips and tickets.


you have many ways to get sapphires in game without using credit card so please be serious my thought is that all this is only for the pleasure of arguing.

Regards

yes you got other ways to get sapphires to do so, but end of the day. This is a event that focus on us the players spend cash to get sapphires to buy tickets. Would they even run such a thing if you had to spend like amulets to get tickets ands till got sapphires as possible price? I doubt that. But regardless, as sapphires is possible to buy for real world cash, this is a lottery, that for many of us is not legal in our countries. Its not about the prize to win have a tradeable value back into rl cash, its about the tickets can be bought for cash.


My post was very much serious Sir.

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Jezebel
7 December, 2016, 8:54 PM UTC

lol saph spending is obviously on the decline so you had to come up with some other way to get people to buy saphs and spend real money, you have reduced discounts further so you must find another way to make up the difference.


no more 50% discounts now they are 30% so I bet that really affected the spending, personally I like it, fewer fireballs in the game 
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IronApex Turok
7 December, 2016, 9:33 PM UTC
Juglar del Viento said:

Gadheras said:

I had great fun play red dead redemption and play cards, I had fun play The Wticher and play gwent... and so forth. difference is... I had no option to use my credit card to pay for chips and tickets.


you have many ways to get sapphires in game without using credit card so please be serious my thought is that all this is only for the pleasure of arguing.

Regards
but like my lawyer said... you cant control which sapphires are free and which ones are real life money. so in the eyes of the law, its all real life money and gambling. 
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roadstar Pitbull
7 December, 2016, 11:42 PM UTC

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:


Guys, please re-read my reply once again. When we released Prize Draws, we made sure they won't go against any laws, so please stop making false accusations here. 

QUOTE:

One of the most importand conditions of Gambling is an ability to win real money (or some other values). As you can't convert in-game currency into the real money, Prize Draws cannot be classified as gambling.

Also, you do not invest real money in Draws. You invest tickets you buy for Sapphires that can be obtained via different in-game activities.

Plarium is now dealing with the global aspect of gaming,,, what is ok in one area/state/nation may not be legal in others.....

The afor  mentioned, roulette wheels and other such aspects,are perfectly legal on most the world as tokens and such for daily logins that CAN NOT be bought for real money...

While doubtful as to the game balance portions you have stated,, do not the players matter???? Seemingly more and more, NO NO NO  they do not,,, except those willing and able to spend increasing amounts of money on the games 'free' aspects...
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Alyona Kolomiitseva
Community Manager
8 December, 2016, 10:43 AM UTC
jumy said:

Alyona, is the reality, put your feet on the ground that we all live on the same planet

at least it had to be 300k for win 300k (min considering the full price), each "casual"  extraction disappear many sapphires  from the prize pool

Where are they going?

Some Draws offer rewards that cost less Sapphires than the sum of all invested tickets' costs. You can compare the possible rewards of multiple Draws to find the most appealing one if you want to participate. 
Plarium Community Manager. Please note that I will be unable to respond to your private messages, review your tickets, or check your account information. All technical issues should be directed to our Support Team at plrm.me/Support_Plarium
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Alyona Kolomiitseva
Community Manager
8 December, 2016, 10:48 AM UTC
IronApex Turok said:


but like my lawyer said... you cant control which sapphires are free and which ones are real life money. so in the eyes of the law, its all real life money and gambling. 
f you still have any doubts or don't like it for some reason, you can continue playing the game without participating in Draws. It's up to you. We have implemented it to diversify gameplay experience and give players another entertainment in our game, along with a chance of winning big rewards. However, each player should decide which aspects of the game make his gaming experience comfortable and positive. 
Plarium Community Manager. Please note that I will be unable to respond to your private messages, review your tickets, or check your account information. All technical issues should be directed to our Support Team at plrm.me/Support_Plarium
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jumy
8 December, 2016, 11:02 AM UTC

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:


IronApex Turok said:



but like my lawyer said... you cant control which sapphires are free and which ones are real life money. so in the eyes of the law, its all real life money and gambling. 
If you still have any doubts or don't like it for some reason, you can continue playing the game without participating in Draws. It's up to you. We have implemented it to diversify gameplay experience and give players another entertainment in our game, along with a chance of winning big rewards. However, each player should decide which aspects of the game make his gaming experience comfortable and positive. 

you should also pay attention to every word chance imply risk

You can prove your words ? 

The truth hurts
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nobody
8 December, 2016, 4:12 PM UTC

Gadheras said:


Juglar del Viento said:


Dear Lords

i wonder how many of u plays another game in which you have to spin the roulette once at day and you win a boost. and i wonder how many can use that game currency to spin an extra round. and i wonder how many of you are considering that thas spinning roulette consider it gambling and if its illegal or not

and yep im sure that game is played by very younger people.

please be serious most of we are combing white hear long years ago.

Regards and enjoy


I had great fun play red dead redemption and play cards, I had fun play The Wticher and play gwent... and so forth. difference is... I had no option to use my credit card to pay for chips and tickets.



also in pirate quest 10 to 15 years ago, you could go to a gambling establishment:  you played with cash "game resource" that you had sunk ships, killed pirates or pick pocketed pirates to gain.  i am not posting in order to argue, juglar, what i am stating is that the entire game,{ other than quests, and tribute}  the entire game development by plarium is the exact model.  a vig taken by the house.  after quests and tribute everything else developed by plarium is a resource sink.  bots are the true growth path in this game, illegal bots, created by illegal players.

if anyone states "inactive",  it shows that they either cannot see the map as it is or they cannot understand supply and demand.  the fact is that there are not enough inactive level 50 to 80 castles out there for players to use as a growth path.

anyone who did not understand what i have been stating over the last 6 months should fully understand it now.  they did not even try to hide it this time.  when i saw the lottery in the events tab, it made me sick to my stomach.  i do not know the exact reason why,  but i know it does have to do with who plarium are at there core.  i meant to use are, it is not a grammatical error.

i am not posting as an avenue to argue, i am sick and tired of posting.  but the crazy being released is every week now. please, please, please, no more updates til after Christmas and New Years.
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nobody
8 December, 2016, 4:18 PM UTC

roadstar Pitbull said:


Alyona Kolomiitseva said:


Guys, please re-read my reply once again. When we released Prize Draws, we made sure they won't go against any laws, so please stop making false accusations here. 

QUOTE:

One of the most importand conditions of Gambling is an ability to win real money (or some other values). As you can't convert in-game currency into the real money, Prize Draws cannot be classified as gambling.

Also, you do not invest real money in Draws. You invest tickets you buy for Sapphires that can be obtained via different in-game activities.

Plarium is now dealing with the global aspect of gaming,,, what is ok in one area/state/nation may not be legal in others.....

The afor  mentioned, roulette wheels and other such aspects,are perfectly legal on most the world as tokens and such for daily logins that CAN NOT be bought for real money...

While doubtful as to the game balance portions you have stated,, do not the players matter???? Seemingly more and more, NO NO NO  they do not,,, except those willing and able to spend increasing amounts of money on the games 'free' aspects...

there are also websites in st martinique where gambling is legal, horse races, dog races, sports.  does uncle sam care if it is legal in st martinique? no he does not. if i use those websites, uncle sam will prosecute me for using them.

as far as not winning money,  are the winnings in this game also purchasable with legal tender?  does that give them a cash value?
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nobody
8 December, 2016, 4:26 PM UTC

Juglar del Viento said:


Gadheras said:

I had great fun play red dead redemption and play cards, I had fun play The Wticher and play gwent... and so forth. difference is... I had no option to use my credit card to pay for chips and tickets.


you have many ways to get sapphires in game without using credit card so please be serious my thought is that all this is only for the pleasure of arguing.

Regards

please be serious, most sapphires are purchased.  and as turok stated, you cannot differentiate the handful of sapphires gained through "gameplay" and sapphires purchased.

it is stated that you can win sapphires in tournaments:  try winning them in tournaments through the growth paths of quests and tribute.

winning sapphires in tournaments due to the use of purchased sapphires makes all sapphires won purchased.

if you are grey and if you have the wisdom that comes with it, then understand what i am saying.
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