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The reward system on Battlegrounds is now secure against attempts to obtain Units in an unfair way!

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Jezebel
4 July, 2016, 11:40 PM UTC

The "bank" was not removed otherwise there would be a reward system for every battleground, after "testing" what was previously stated in this thread to just go ahead and do the battlegrounds (clear them out) the person who tested this completed 46 battlegrounds between levels 10 and 62 - this many were done in order to get the maximum rewards for the Battle Ground tournament currently running.  At the end of it all they are down in troop stats.  After a reward was given, it took several bg's with substantial losses before receiving another reward.  If this person had not had enough troops to continue to complete the bg's their troops would have ended up "stuck" in the bg's until they could build enough troops to get them back out.  The bg's were completed without using any tools that are offered at a price, the only enhancement used was the Hero gear gained from bg's.  You have not "evened out the playing field" you have made it impossible for someone who doesn't wish to spend money to compete with all those who do spend.


So the recommended method that Plarium is promoting is an epic FAIL for all so don't follow their advice.  I recommend you build for the purpose of doing battle grounds and don't waste your army that you have toiled so hard to build on the battle grounds.  It may take longer but at least you will be throwing away troops that were built for that purpose.


Also note that if the gap between the reward levels in the tournament were smaller they may have stopped sooner. Why couldn't there be a tier between 3500 and 20000?  That is a big gap.  Obviously Plarium wants us to lose our armies to play these tournaments.

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Jezebel
5 July, 2016, 6:13 AM UTC

So another test run was completed using the "yellow bar" method, this did not go well, offense and defense enhancers were used and paragon was activated.  This player yellowed the top level skull rune bg's and 3 or 4 below these then cleared the bg they wanted (re: offense or defense).  There was one decent payout then nothing for about 4 rounds of this method, so they cleared the yellowed bg and still did not get their troops back out.  They proceeded to complete a few of the highest level bg to try to get their troops back out which was unsuccessful.  So, yeah the bank is nerfed somehow so don't try this method.  


This also makes me wonder how the players that have a negative bank will ever get out of it since Plarium has taken away the ability to use the bank effectively.  Sooooo all those players with a big negative bank shall never play bg again?? That is a lot of players that will no longer be touching bg ... good play Plarium.
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dworka777
5 July, 2016, 7:07 AM UTC
Tony Hobson said:

Alyona Kolomiitseva said:


We have no desire in making some hidden changes.Why would we make them, knowing that players will figure out that something changed? 

You have made a secret change and this player has figured it out, but this particular secret change is to the bg combat algorithm.


How is it possible for 12,904 offense to be beaten by 12,860 defense?




12904 offense - http://prnt.sc/botreh


12860 defense - http://prnt.sc/botsp3


Seems like Balur is still using some of Players bonuses for his advantage.
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Snowgoon
5 July, 2016, 9:08 AM UTC

djmoody said:


Tony Hobson said:


12904 offense - http://prnt.sc/botreh


12860 defense - http://prnt.sc/botsp3

You have to be careful when quoting the average value of troops.

The first example is quite interesting. The spreadsheet you are using does have the correct value for defence against infantry and as you have 100% of your army in infantry that value will be the appropriate weighted average to use (I checked the maths from the calculator you are using and the numbers are correct). Assuming your troops hit with all the bonuses on that are showing in the offence screenshot then you should have won the fight. Does seem to be something a bit odd there.

The second example was added as an afterthought and the strength of archers is not 100% accurate, but I have seen identical results when using Huntress units, which do not have any variance.


The first example is worrying - either the algorithm has been nerfed (and we have seen examples of pvp algorithm giving 7% EXTRA casualties to defenders, even when they win the battle) .... but it is possible that Hero Avavtar equipment is bugged, maybe the rings

I might recreate the battle with hero rings removed - This would be for my own peace of mind, no reason to make the dev's job any easier having lost all respect for them now

http://stormfallguide.blogspot.co.uk/p/offensive-battlegrounds.html



Also, DWORKA777 is correct - Balur units do seem to gain from our fortress knowledge bonus - http://prntscr.com/bozwqd

I repored this weeks ago, but our heroic devs have chosen to ignore it


I wonder if anything in this game is working as the original team of game designers intended - they must be spinning in their graves

Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way - Pink Floyd - http://prnt.sc/dv923b
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Camulos
5 July, 2016, 9:22 PM UTC
Tony Hobson said:


Also, DWORKA777 is correct - Balur units do seem to gain from our fortress knowledge bonus - http://prntscr.com/bozwqd

I repored this weeks ago, but our heroic devs have chosen to ignore it


What setting is this taken from? I've been unable to confirm it in saga quest or bgs.
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Snowgoon
6 July, 2016, 1:12 PM UTC

Camulos said:


Tony Hobson said:


Also, DWORKA777 is correct - Balur units do seem to gain from our fortress knowledge bonus - http://prntscr.com/bozwqd

I repored this weeks ago, but our heroic devs have chosen to ignore it


What setting is this taken from? I've been unable to confirm it in saga quest or bgs.

Read this thread, and read Juglar response too - that was in APRIL

http://plarium.com/forum/en/stormfall-age-of-war/bug-reports/topics/balur-is-using-our-fortress-/
Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way - Pink Floyd - http://prnt.sc/dv923b
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Snowgoon
6 July, 2016, 1:20 PM UTC

Why was the WRONG news item published in the game?


Was this a deliberate ploy to confuse and misinform the community?

Note that this misleading news report is linked to THIS thread


Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way - Pink Floyd - http://prnt.sc/dv923b
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JohnBean
6 July, 2016, 9:42 PM UTC

Nemanja said:


Camulos said:Nemanja said:


My Lords,

I think it would be great to have one legendary unit which could destroy at least some of the troops hidden in catacombs.
That rather defeats the point of having catacombs and would allow players to be completely wiped out when repeated enough

Lord CAMULOS,

I disagree, Emptying catacombs would turn inactive players castles into the farms. There are plenty low leveled castles in which you can hide your deff. 

Just how exactly does the units in a catacombs from an inactive player prevents you from farming that inactive player? does these units in the inactive player's castle have a digital mind of their own to fight or prevent active players to farm this inactive layer? i don't know.. i am really trying very hard to understand that logic.. or is it just so that regular players can be wiped out and become inactive? my head wants to explode when i read that 2 sentences.. with logic like that no wonder there are issues with bg as it is now.. i guess its like being on a river with a canoe which has 3 holes in it and only one plug.. so you chose which hole to put it in.. but eventually you will still sink.. because the other two holes are still open.. so to those who did have the intellect to "exploit" the system.. good for them.. now by special logic making it unpleasant for everyone else however isn't good at all.. closing bg after bg and hoping for a big payout isn't really a strategy at all.. or is it O_O??

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Nemstar
7 July, 2016, 1:17 AM UTC

I don't appreciate my input being deleted without word or warning, if you don't like what the community has to say about the way you handle your game then why do you create these topics?


- And no I didn't break any rules or you would of taken the time to say so


I guess i babbled the truth too much lol, whats next im permanently banned because im giving answers instead of more questions to the community?

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Gadheras
7 July, 2016, 8:29 AM UTC

Nemstar said:


I don't appreciate my input being deleted without word or warning, if you don't like what the community has to say about the way you handle your game then why do you create these topics?


- And no I didn't break any rules or you would of taken the time to say so


I guess i babbled the truth too much lol, whats next im permanently banned because im giving answers instead of more questions to the community?


Well, get used to it, sometimes you get a week  ban from the forums to go with it. Sometimes even if you stick by the forum rules. Then you can contact Oberon if you feel wronged to try get suspension lifted though.


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Nemanja
7 July, 2016, 8:33 AM UTC

My Lords,

 no one is banned from Forum while they were following rules. Each one of you can have a different opinion ad that's OK.
Nemanja
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Nemstar
7 July, 2016, 8:41 AM UTC
Nemanja said:

My Lords,

 no one is banned from Forum while they were following rules. Each one of you can have a different opinion ad that's OK.
Then please explain why my reply/comment was removed from this sticky thread & why my two topics of "The REAL reason behind Plarium changing BG mechanics AGAIN!" as i got no word of why, my guessing is to get rid of it as quickly as it came up before more see the truth?
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Nemstar
7 July, 2016, 8:57 AM UTC

Gadheras said:


Nemstar said:


I don't appreciate my input being deleted without word or warning, if you don't like what the community has to say about the way you handle your game then why do you create these topics?


- And no I didn't break any rules or you would of taken the time to say so


I guess i babbled the truth too much lol, whats next im permanently banned because im giving answers instead of more questions to the community?


Well, get used to it, sometimes you get a week  ban from the forums to go with it. Sometimes even if you stick by the forum rules. Then you can contact Oberon if you feel wronged to try get suspension lifted though.


I've noticed that because my comment & two topics was removed regarding my opinions/thoughts. A little truth is spoken and they squash it quicker than lightning but chaos all around & they embrace it as it causes confusion, its a ladder to greedy people. 


But my main reply was to say, we shouldn't have to be use to it mate. If they don't treat their income/customers with respect hopefully they will go elsewhere or stop spending money. It's the only thing that'll change their attitude with the game & nothing else, they are blinded with greed. 
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Gadheras
7 July, 2016, 9:41 AM UTC

Nemstar said:


Gadheras said:


Nemstar said:


I don't appreciate my input being deleted without word or warning, if you don't like what the community has to say about the way you handle your game then why do you create these topics?


- And no I didn't break any rules or you would of taken the time to say so


I guess i babbled the truth too much lol, whats next im permanently banned because im giving answers instead of more questions to the community?


Well, get used to it, sometimes you get a week  ban from the forums to go with it. Sometimes even if you stick by the forum rules. Then you can contact Oberon if you feel wronged to try get suspension lifted though.


I've noticed that because my comment & two topics was removed regarding my opinions/thoughts. A little truth is spoken and they squash it quicker than lightning but chaos all around & they embrace it as it causes confusion, its a ladder to greedy people. 


But my main reply was to say, we shouldn't have to be use to it mate. If they don't treat their income/customers with respect hopefully they will go elsewhere or stop spending money. It's the only thing that'll change their attitude with the game & nothing else, they are blinded with greed. 

Well, there is nothing wrong with want to make your business go good, and get nice income. Just gamers got a habbit to push back when they get pushed the wrong direction.


There is those that make games for the gamers and making games they want to play themselfs, and there is those that make games purly for profit being the only goal. The plarium games fall in the later category. 


Gamers not very loyal customers if they feel they get wronged though, there is so many games out there, and if you want to keep them play your game, you need to entertain them, and make sure they get either their time or money worth (or both). Once a game start pick up a bad reputation, its hard to turn the ship around though.


There is a great lack of symbosis between Plarium and the players. I noticed by myself the time I spend in this game these days compared to like a year a go is like night and day. It dawned little by little that no matter how much time and effort I put into the game, it wouldn't compensate vs the drive to spend on sapphires. Other f2p games you can in great part spend time and effort to be competive, and in even rarer cases make money too for your time and effort. 


As players in a online game, we all kind a stakeholders, the time and effort each and everyone spend inside the game, help create content for the other players. When the time invested return hardly any to no gains, well...  better time spent do other stuff. But this something everyone have to figure out by themselfs. 
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djmoody
8 July, 2016, 12:02 AM UTC

Nemanja said:


My Lords,

 no one is banned from Forum while they were following rules. Each one of you can have a different opinion ad that's OK.

I've been banned before without having broken the rules. You get no evidence, no clear explanation of what the problem was, a message to contact community manager but if you try and PM community managers you get a message to contact support because community managers don't/can't reply to PM's.

The post that I assume caused the problems (based on timing of ban)  took 1-2hrs to write. It was highly constructive explaining the cost of customer acquisition and the potential long term value of customers. I used that to suggest the short termist approach Plarium take was even undermining their own long term business interests. The post was deleted and I was banned. 

Completely inappropriate response to my well constructed feedback. I am a highly educated adult, with a significant career in business, including experience of the software industry. Plarium should pay me for that kind of investment of my time, not ban me for being too insightful. Was probably one of the few times I have been really annoyed by something this year (more because the post was deleted)

Everyone has a right to an opinion. No one has a right to their opinion being respected by other if it can't be backed up with rational and logic explanation
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Drogar61
8 July, 2016, 12:22 AM UTC

Maybe you should to write on much more primitive way and to use phrases like:

Oh, how wonderful game

I like it

nothing is like Plarium

ty for last upgrades , we really need them

finally you balanced game with killing possibility to non-coiners exploit BG rules

I cant decide to spend $ 10 K or $ 20 K to get chance to compete in this wonderful strategy game


I'm pretty sure that this post will not be deleted, and I will not be banned.

P.S.: If some moderator can't understand what I'm talking please send me message I will try on simpler way to explain.

P.S.: I hope that I didn't break any Rule (big R, ofc), because I can't survive to be banned again.


Go Plarium, GO!


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Drogar61
8 July, 2016, 1:28 AM UTC

Last BG changes put us into new game.

Changes trapped our troops from yellowing, and you can get the back only if you have same amount (a little more but 'same' is good enough for explanation) of troops ready to send again into BG. To pull out your troops you have to get them as full payout. More troops you sent into BG, yellowing task, more pain is for you. Specially if you have a large amount of troops inside BG.

If you're coiner or if you already have huge army, then you have chance to yellow new task line, fill bank enough and get your troops back, including 'exploited' thing - to add all your units from yellowed tasks. Formally main reason for change in reality didn't change. Plarium tries to make just illusion of that, hiding real reasons.

So, if you aren't from previous group of players you have a problem.

Cat (Plarium) has only one thing to do - to wait.

Mouse (regular player) has to decide when he will go for cheese (use wallet). Doesn't matter when, cat is ready.

In this old game, winner is known. Because mouse doesn't know that while it is hungry, at same time cat is also hungry.

Cat and mouse game can have different winners if mouse decide to be hungry to death. Own, or maybe cat's.

I have message for cat; I'm ready to be hungry. Are you?

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Nemstar
8 July, 2016, 3:55 AM UTC
Drogar61 said:

Maybe you should to write on much more primitive way and to use phrases like:

Oh, how wonderful game

I like it

nothing is like Plarium

ty for last upgrades , we really need them

finally you balanced game with killing possibility to non-coiners exploit BG rules

I cant decide to spend $ 10 K or $ 20 K to get chance to compete in this wonderful strategy game


I'm pretty sure that this post will not be deleted, and I will not be banned.

P.S.: If some moderator can't understand what I'm talking please send me message I will try on simpler way to explain.

P.S.: I hope that I didn't break any Rule (big R, ofc), because I can't survive to be banned again.


Go Plarium, GO!


Hahaha! Thanks for the laugh Drogar :)
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wesleypringle1
8 July, 2016, 12:13 PM UTC

Tony Hobson said:


Why was the WRONG news item published in the game?


Was this a deliberate ploy to confuse and misinform the community?

Note that this misleading news report is linked to THIS thread


I agree several times Since the Change I have  attacked BGs Lost troops and Gained Back nothing explain this!!! Your  very diplomatic using the word Ploy I personally call it an out and out Lie. And the greed machine rolls on !!

http://prntscr.com/bqczuu     http://prntscr.com/bqd23q   http://prntscr.com/bqd4a4

The Keep
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wesleypringle1
8 July, 2016, 1:03 PM UTC
I do wonder why the amount of troops you get will Vary after all shouldn't the amount be constant wouldn't that show that all are treated the same  and get the same back that they put in across the Board?  You say it's been changed to make it fair for all but then refuse to prove it how very Bootjacked of you all. 
The Keep
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