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The reward system on Battlegrounds is now secure against attempts to obtain Units in an unfair way!

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Stewart
11 July, 2016, 4:25 AM UTC

I can confirm that before the changes it was possible to make a large profit.


AND 160% was not a big profit
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ion
11 July, 2016, 5:33 AM UTC

making a profit from BGs ...lol, is like UFO encounters, you can read about these things but the truth is out there

I played at BGs more than a year and never meet the situation
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Snowgoon
11 July, 2016, 8:33 AM UTC

wesleypringle1 said:


jmcnamee said:


The new system does not work as advertised.  I have completed a number of BG's without receiving troops as a reward.


It's possible only if you had zero losses on them.
No true I have loss but No troops as reward Contrary to the reply - http://prntscr.com/brenky

Sacrificing 2 pikemen is futile, the payout is often well below 10% so you will get nothing from lowest level bg.


Just send one dragon or one griffin to these and keep your infantry for higher levels, or send a selection of single units.
You will not get any decent payouts until you are hitting level 16+ battlegrounds, so don't waste your infantry on levels 1-10



Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way - Pink Floyd - http://prnt.sc/dv923b
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Snowgoon
11 July, 2016, 8:46 AM UTC

Stewart_KT1 said:


I can confirm that before the changes it was possible to make a large profit.


AND 160% was not a big profit

If you were seeing returns of over 150% then your bank should show huge negative values, which needs to be repaid.

If it needs to be repaid then it is not profit.


If you found ways to fool the bank then plarium need to do their research and find a way to plug that loophole without destroying the entire system for everyone.

Back to the drawing board, plarium


Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way - Pink Floyd - http://prnt.sc/dv923b
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Drogar61
11 July, 2016, 5:49 PM UTC

Stewart_KT1 said:


I can confirm that before the changes it was possible to make a large profit.


AND 160% was not a big profit

You and @Inaginni said two different sentences comparing the time when it is/was possible.

Main question is could you do that again without sending back all payouts to BG?

If yes, why you didn't repeat such process infinity times? Or maybe you did? 

If you exploited resetting of negative balance, that is OK for me, and Plarium could to patch just that whole, not to rob all troops of all players in BG.

Ty, for sharing.

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mujo
11 July, 2016, 6:52 PM UTC

Tony Hobson said:


wesleypringle1 said:


jmcnamee said:


The new system does not work as advertised.  I have completed a number of BG's without receiving troops as a reward.


It's possible only if you had zero losses on them.
No true I have loss but No troops as reward Contrary to the reply - http://prntscr.com/brenky

Sacrificing 2 pikemen is futile, the payout is often well below 10% so you will get nothing from lowest level bg.


Just send one dragon or one griffin to these and keep your infantry for higher levels, or send a selection of single units.
You will not get any decent payouts until you are hitting level 16+ battlegrounds, so don't waste your infantry on levels 1-10







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SAVE YOUR TROOPS, THE BATTLE GROUND IS DEAD!

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Soon the people at Plarium will start losing lots of $$$$, i bet 1million on it.

Here is why, now that you made the BG obsolete, you counting on people staring at their empty castle or spending lots of $$$ to buy troops to attack other players, haha, good luck with that. what you dont realize is the path to spending more $$ was often part of winning/trading something in the BG, now you that is gone, who is going to 1st lose their army in the BG, and then go buy troops to attack another castle, yeah right, 

no BG, means later no emotion in brave-enough attacks, to actually spend money, lol. good luck convincing someone to spend money when they are bored of staring at an empty castle. You will learn the hard way. why you killed your own game.

So it will take me 50 days to have enough calvary to get some decent attack, do you think some new player is going to spend 500$ to buy himself some calvary. yeah right, now that there are only losses in the BG and you only get back pikeman and 2 paladin and 1 archer for some 200 troops spend. 

his only option is spend $$$$$$$$$$$ or wait for 1-2 months per attack on another castle with any decent defense.

you destroy your own cash cow and you will see your mistake, i am sure of it. 


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Vladimir Stojanovic
11 July, 2016, 7:23 PM UTC

mujo said:


Here is why, now that you made the BG obsolete 

So far, I have not interfered but now I have.
Claim that BGs are obsolete is not correct. You've seen a couple of times my payout, I know it is from facebook, but it is same for all platforms. Regarding BGs after patch, the problem is on those who have used exploit, why?. Their bank is highly negative and there is no chance for them to get positive if they do not put back theyr unfair gain back to bgs. 
What about others, they just need to follow the bank and knows exactly what's the situation in BG bank. As soon as the bank is positive they can expect payment ( it is your responsibility to find out how ).

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Drogar61
11 July, 2016, 10:02 PM UTC

I have no negative balance, and have over 70 M resources in the bank, and cant get troops as full payout.

With 70 M I should be able to take my troops back without new sacrificing.

So your comment where you labeled all of us as criminals cant exists.

On the other your voice is very ugly, and we are not your slaves, nor you have any dominate position over us.

Maybe you can reconsider your text and next time try to have some proofs if you want to claim something.

P.S.: We saw your payout but didn't see you investment for that payout. So you proved nothing.
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Inaginni
11 July, 2016, 10:27 PM UTC

Drogar61 said:


Stewart_KT1 said:


I can confirm that before the changes it was possible to make a large profit.


AND 160% was not a big profit

You and @Inaginni said two different sentences comparing the time when it is/was possible.

Main question is could you do that again without sending back all payouts to BG?

If yes, why you didn't repeat such process infinity times? Or maybe you did? 

If you exploited resetting of negative balance, that is OK for me, and Plarium could to patch just that whole, not to rob all troops of all players in BG.

Ty, for sharing.

I tend to only do bgs during exp tourneys, or a few bg tourneys. I'd say that I probably went through all my bgs (as I do all of them every time I do bgs), about 20 times before the patch. However, since my bgs are lvl 30 and lower it didn't have a significant effect on my total def/off (maybe a few mil increase with total worth in resources also increasing considering deaths from WoDs and such).

I'm guessing that Stewart might have been referring to the true exploit they fixed (the one I talked about before) which you could say was a 300%+ profit technique, although a one shot and then bgs would be dead for you.


@Tony

That was the interesting thing about my method, there seemed to be no negative balance on my bank ever. That's why those I consulted in the KoK family were confused.
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Drogar61
11 July, 2016, 10:32 PM UTC
@Inaginni: Ty for sharing, again. Keep using that if you can because that isn't exploit. Not toward me. 
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mujo
11 July, 2016, 11:03 PM UTC

Vladimir Stojanovic said:


mujo said:


Here is why, now that you made the BG obsolete 

So far, I have not interfered but now I have.
Claim that BGs are obsolete is not correct. You've seen a couple of times my payout, I know it is from facebook, but it is same for all platforms. Regarding BGs after patch, the problem is on those who have used exploit, why?. Their bank is highly negative and there is no chance for them to get positive if they do not put back theyr unfair gain back to bgs. 
What about others, they just need to follow the bank and knows exactly what's the situation in BG bank. As soon as the bank is positive they can expect payment ( it is your responsibility to find out how ).



I am sure for "YOU" there is a great payout, for me after doing BG's everday, one after the other for 4-5 days now, all i got IN TOTAL: 20 OR LESS Paladin, 

2 knights and 2 Great Lords, 1 Warlock  and a few dwarves and fewer archers,

 when i spent: 1000 PIKEMAN, 10 WARLOCK, 100  knights, 100 Great Lords, 500 archers and 500 dwarves, 20 Griffen, 25 golem.

Oh and btw, did not get any keys, or decent (rare or higher ) equipment, just a junk helmet, ROFL.


I stand by what i said based on my actual experiences, day after day, 

---- BG IS DEAD, LETS ALL JUST MOVE ON---


i actually dont mind, makes the game much more quieter as i dont have to waste any troops. 

But i think plarium has miscalculated, without BG rewards they are hoping people with spend $$$ to buy troops.

But in reality, the game is now like this. you will wait 1 month to get some decent troops to attack, after 1 battle, all your troops will be spent or a good amount, you will then have to wait another month or a few weeks to battle again,  

Also no more trade-ups does another thing, since pvp / other tournaments only offer either golem or necro or demon or warlock, 

this will put pressure that no one will want to lose troops as there is no way, but $$$ or tournaments to  get somewhat better troops,

but there are not dragons or wyren payout, so losing this is now a hazard as there is no way but $$$$ to replace them.

 so lower level players have no chance to participate fairly without spending lots of $$$$. 

And higher level players now have to hold on to every dragon or wyvren the have as there is no way to get them unless they can train them.

So now, unless you spend $$$$ all the time for packs or troops you have no chance to see a dragon in your catacombs until you have sat there for 5 months. LOVE IT ?? REALLY?? 


Like i said, you will reap what you sow.


Since the Trade-ups that made the BG so popular are now gone.  

btw, in case you still dont get it, the bg trade ups made lower level players able to trade up to better troops with their queues that dont train anything higher than maybe paldin or knight or nomade or archers. this made them competitive. able to compete in the tournaments, now you have turned every lower level player including newbies the best target available, as they are the easiest way to get pvp without any risk to the now irreplacable troops .


and since lower level players are forced to spend money, or just sit there, or they can kill their entire little army in the BG for, now, no reward, 

they will lose interest fast.  and Without new players your business model is going to suffer. 

imho.


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Stewart
11 July, 2016, 11:28 PM UTC

No way to get dragons or wyverns payout after the BG changes?


oops, so sorry


http://prntscr.com/brq53k


Although i admit i havent been in BG since then, Im still building troops for the next run.

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mujo
11 July, 2016, 11:36 PM UTC

Stewart_KT1 said:


No way to get dragons or wyverns payout after the BG changes?


oops, so sorry


http://prntscr.com/brq53k


Although i admit i havent been in BG since then, Im still building troops for the next run.

ROFL. CHECK YOUR DATE 27-06-2016 thanks for proving my point and BG level 118.

hahahhahaahahahahhhahaahahhaahahah excellent post, proves my point exactly.


i am sure a level 50 player or below  is going to wait to about 5 months to do a level 118 BG. ROFL. ....


PLEASE do another now after the changes , i can't wait to see you cry :) 
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Stewart
11 July, 2016, 11:47 PM UTC

mujo said:


Stewart_KT1 said:


No way to get dragons or wyverns payout after the BG changes?


oops, so sorry


http://prntscr.com/brq53k


Although i admit i havent been in BG since then, Im still building troops for the next run.

ROFL. CHECK YOUR DATE 27-06-2016 thanks for proving my point and BG level 118.

hahahhahaahahahahhhahaahahhaahahah excellent post, proves my point exactly.


i am sure a level 50 player or below  is going to wait to about 5 months to do a level 118 BG. ROFL. ....


PLEASE do another now after the changes , i can't wait to see you cry :) 

The BG was done AFTER the changes AND was profit. You said there was no way except $$$ or tournaments to get somewhat better troops.

I showed you that you were incorrect.

Noodle maker extreme
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mujo
11 July, 2016, 11:53 PM UTC

Stewart_KT1 said:


mujo said:


Stewart_KT1 said:


No way to get dragons or wyverns payout after the BG changes?


oops, so sorry


http://prntscr.com/brq53k


Although i admit i havent been in BG since then, Im still building troops for the next run.

ROFL. CHECK YOUR DATE 27-06-2016 thanks for proving my point and BG level 118.

hahahhahaahahahahhhahaahahhaahahah excellent post, proves my point exactly.


i am sure a level 50 player or below  is going to wait to about 5 months to do a level 118 BG. ROFL. ....


PLEASE do another now after the changes , i can't wait to see you cry :) 

The BG was done AFTER the changes AND was profit. You said there was no way except $$$ or tournaments to get somewhat better troops.

I showed you that you were incorrect.



YOUR experience is your own, i stand by my own experience, doing BG every single day, 

I also have some land to sell you . lol 

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Vladimir Stojanovic
12 July, 2016, 11:08 AM UTC

Drogar61 said:


I have no negative balance, and have over 70 M resources in the bank, and cant get troops as full payout.

With 70 M I should be able to take my troops back without new sacrificing.

So your comment where you labeled all of us as criminals cant exists.

On the other your voice is very ugly, and we are not your slaves, nor you have any dominate position over us.

Maybe you can reconsider your text and next time try to have some proofs if you want to claim something.

P.S.: We saw your payout but didn't see you investment for that payout. So you proved nothing.

If your bank is full, as you say,  just need to figure out a way to get payout and thats all. 
btw. 
My voice is not that bad , and regarding criminal part It is your understanding /  did not say that /. Im geting good payout compared to what invest so I'm happy.

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Vladimir Stojanovic
12 July, 2016, 11:13 AM UTC

Stewart_KT1 said:


No way to get dragons or wyverns payout after the BG changes?


oops, so sorry


http://prntscr.com/brq53k


Although i admit i havent been in BG since then, Im still building troops for the next run.

My Lord, this can not be true, we have not seen what you've invested, you proved nothing. 

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Drogar61
12 July, 2016, 11:16 AM UTC
Vladimir Stojanovic said:

Drogar61 said:


I have no negative balance, and have over 70 M resources in the bank, and cant get troops as full payout.

With 70 M I should be able to take my troops back without new sacrificing.

So your comment where you labeled all of us as criminals cant exists.

On the other your voice is very ugly, and we are not your slaves, nor you have any dominate position over us.

Maybe you can reconsider your text and next time try to have some proofs if you want to claim something.

P.S.: We saw your payout but didn't see you investment for that payout. So you proved nothing.

If your bank is full, as you say,  just need to figure out a way to get payout and thats all. 
btw. 
My voice is not that bad , and regarding criminal part It is your understanding /  did not say that /. Im geting good payout compared to what invest so I'm happy.

I know how, but that is unfair
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IronApex Turok
12 July, 2016, 5:20 PM UTC

a level 118 BG would require using an army built by the old exploitation method or serious coin.


level 80 is about where it gets impossible for non paying players who have been building an army for 2 years and not using the exploit. 
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dworka777
12 July, 2016, 5:26 PM UTC

Vladimir Stojanovic said:


mujo said:


Here is why, now that you made the BG obsolete 

So far, I have not interfered but now I have.
Claim that BGs are obsolete is not correct. You've seen a couple of times my payout, I know it is from facebook, but it is same for all platforms. Regarding BGs after patch, the problem is on those who have used exploit, why?. Their bank is highly negative and there is no chance for them to get positive if they do not put back theyr unfair gain back to bgs. 
What about others, they just need to follow the bank and knows exactly what's the situation in BG bank. As soon as the bank is positive they can expect payment ( it is your responsibility to find out how ).

Hello I have a few questions for you.

1. Do you, as a moderator, have access to the information about how BGs work ?


2. If yes, then I suppose that picture is not from any testing dummy character but from your real account. Assuming it is your real account I suppose you are having advantage over other players.


If not, then your argument is invalid, due to a fact that you have no information on BG mechanics.


3. If I assume right, that you can't have any reward from BGs if you don't invest, and you need to pay a fee for your reward, then there is no way how you could get rewarded.


4. Even if n.3 would be false, you still loose offensive points, when upgrading your troops to higher tier. Nice example is if you use Reavers/Necros (middle units) (they have same power/iron ratio) to Dragons you will loose 17% of your offense strength. The only way how to get positive numbers is to use only Chimeras, they cost more and have lower power.


5. But most of all, Plarium made BGs obsolete themselves by removing mechanics where your units would start to leave your army once your food reserve would go negative.


If you would want to argue, that there are plenty other rewards. Tournaments, daily quests, league quests. Then to match the lost resources you would need to increase the reward by +300% or even more for higher demands.
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