Major Feature Update! League Fortresses!

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Drogar61
18 February, 2016, 2:40 PM UTC
Gadheras said:

Lord Oberon said:


Would it be possible to incorporate a way for more players to contribute sapphires towards upgrades? Perhaps some form of guild sapphire bank would serve this purpose. 

My Lord, this sounds good in theory, but in reality this feature will get abused by alts one way or another. 


Give us a league bank we can send sapphires to. Sapphires in the league bank only  possible to spend on league/fortress upgrades. 

I don't really see how that can be abused big time by alts.
Alts has starting sapps and could donate it to league bank. Only direct buying sapps for league bank can avoid that, but I'm not sure that such idea could live. Also, it could be problematic for developer implementation.
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Lord Oberon
Administrator
18 February, 2016, 2:41 PM UTC
I don't really see how that can be abused big time by alts.

1. Create a dozen of alts, level them up, receive Sapphires from tutorial quests.

2. Accept your alts to your league, deposit their Sapphires to the bank, kick your alts from the league

3. Repeat till the desired result is achieved.

This sounds like a time-consuming scheme but you won't believe what some players do in attempts to gain an unfair advantage. 

I'm not saying that everyone is like this, but we'd rather not risk creating an environment where such stunts would be possible. 

Oberon, Heir of Veyon, Scion of the Firstborn, Lord Regent of Stormfall
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Camulos
18 February, 2016, 2:50 PM UTC

Lord Oberon said:


I don't really see how that can be abused big time by alts.

1. Create a dozen of alts, level them up, receive Sapphires from tutorial quests.

2. Accept your alts to your league, deposit their Sapphires to the bank, kick your alts from the league

3. Repeat till the desired result is achieved.

This sounds like a time-consuming scheme but you won't believe what some players do in attempts to gain an unfair advantage. 

I'm not saying that everyone is like this, but we'd rather not risk creating an environment where such stunts would be possible. 

If sapphires contributed to guild bank are limited to purchased sapphires, then alts arent really a problem as a player has a finite wallet capacity whether spent on one account, or through multiple. It may be a technical development problem, but it isnt an alt problem.


The current upgrade setup allows players with big wallets to bypass the long upgrade process, without allowing other players with smaller wallets to pool resources to do the same.


Alts do however contribute to the gain of glory points from fortress/beacon attacks and from league tournaments
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Invokers
18 February, 2016, 2:52 PM UTC

Lord Oberon said:


I don't really see how that can be abused big time by alts.

1. Create a dozen of alts, level them up, receive Sapphires from tutorial quests.

2. Accept your alts to your league, deposit their Sapphires to the bank, kick your alts from the league

3. Repeat till the desired result is achieved.

This sounds like a time-consuming scheme but you won't believe what some players do in attempts to gain an unfair advantage. 

I'm not saying that everyone is like this, but we'd rather not risk creating an environment where such stunts would be possible. 

Way to go Mr. Oberon. On another thread the great Oberon has repeatedly mentioned that alts are not as big of a 

problem as what players think of them and plarium is doing everything to solve the issues of alts. Now in this thread we see a completely contradicting statement.  

Bend it like Oberon. 

Invokers
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Gadheras
18 February, 2016, 3:15 PM UTC

Lord Oberon said:


I don't really see how that can be abused big time by alts.

1. Create a dozen of alts, level them up, receive Sapphires from tutorial quests.

2. Accept your alts to your league, deposit their Sapphires to the bank, kick your alts from the league

3. Repeat till the desired result is achieved.

This sounds like a time-consuming scheme but you won't believe what some players do in attempts to gain an unfair advantage. 

I'm not saying that everyone is like this, but we'd rather not risk creating an environment where such stunts would be possible. 


Then make it so, only a player of at least level 50 and who spend at least 7 days in the league is able to send sapphires to the bank. Come on here man, work with us. There is HUGE alt armies out there ready to pounce on Fortress's that is a much bigger concern imho. Give Fortress's DEF buff already.

On another note.. maybe you should just open the gates of hades and let players create as many alts they desire to play, so everyone is on a equal footing. There is after all just so many hours a day someone can sit in front of the screen. 

That alts can be somewhat hard to identify and deal with one thing, but the huge lines of bots found in Stormfall that not done anything with since like forever. And that been reported and petitioned about over and over and over is a disgrace.





 

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Keaton
18 February, 2016, 4:17 PM UTC

It seems pretty clear:

Infirmary,

Warning system,

More milestone levels (Maybe 11, 14, 17 - I'm sure the upgrade time increases exponentially, so the interval shouldn't increase as well),

defense bonus (attacking another leagues fortress should be very risky)

defense statistics.

By the way, I hope weekly top ten players get stacks of glory points.  

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jumy
18 February, 2016, 4:49 PM UTC

Lord Oberon said:


Would it be possible to incorporate a way for more players to contribute sapphires towards upgrades? Perhaps some form of guild sapphire bank would serve this purpose. 

My Lord, this sounds good in theory, but in reality this feature will get abused by alts one way or another. 

this sounds like alts welcome but only if they pay, not see improvements in any direction as not to encourage alt, if you prefer $ 100 every 100 players instead of $ 1 every 10,000 players leads me draw conclusions= very few and short-term players

anyway nice addition but going the wrong way for f2p, this f2p (frustration-to-play) requires 1 year(31,536K seconds) to build 1 second to destroy or pay! This is the ratio 31,536K to 1.... same to:  pay to F2P

in this direction add more things (incomplete) and you will have more complaints

The truth hurts
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djmoody
18 February, 2016, 9:06 PM UTC

Camulos said:


djmoody said:


Question for Oberon.

Did you intentionally use the raid mechanic for the Fortress battles?

If you did could you explain why? It seems totally feature breaking from where I am sitting.

If this doesn't make sense to you, please get another Oberon personality to answer it (its not a stupid question that doesn't make sense).


For those of us that haven't understood why it is feature breaking, could you please explain?

It pretty much means 1 for 1 losses.

So you as a strong fighting force you can't effectively attack fortresses (you have to take losses equal to what it is defended with regardless of how much you send)

And can't effectively defend them (people can't send silly small armies and will still do damage, defending big gives no bonus)

It's the latter which really sucks, any defensive troops you send to these things is just a sitting duck. Someone with enough alts could just keep sending 20k waves at one and still be able to wear down the defense (you couldn't do that with a beacon).

Everyone has a right to an opinion. No one has a right to their opinion being respected by other if it can't be backed up with rational and logic explanation
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Mehnslayer
18 February, 2016, 10:54 PM UTC

Alts are not permitted, but back onto the topic of a league bank for sapphires,

I think it should be allowed but with restrictions, most obvious is a 7 day rule like with tournaments... Because it was the same reason the 7 day rule was added to league tournaments.
E 'n la sua volontade è nostra pace
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Sleeve
19 February, 2016, 12:32 PM UTC

Hey, 


serious Plarium ? League Beacon Event was 70 Glory points at all ? i would accept it when 70 from ea Member but this is really a JOKE!

Also now Solo Event there are no Glory Points. so for all small Leagues wihtout Saps investing you get not enough glory points for next level.. 

except maybe next year ;) 




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Lord Oberon
Administrator
19 February, 2016, 12:51 PM UTC
As I mentioned earlier, upgrading a Fortress isn't an easy or a quick task. It's a long term challenge for an entire league to work on. 
Oberon, Heir of Veyon, Scion of the Firstborn, Lord Regent of Stormfall
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Sleeve
19 February, 2016, 12:58 PM UTC

It's a long term challenge for 5+ years ? if you don't invest Saphires its mission impossible


Lets see we got 70 Points.. means 200 Leagues Event for 14000 Glory Points if we reach the 70 in ea Event. For Level 5 to 6 you need 16800 Points. 


have fun on the long term challenge.. 


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Tommy Lee
19 February, 2016, 1:38 PM UTC

We saw all of your responses. We also understand we can see the units in our fortress. What we can't see is the total defense points there. There is no good reason to withhold that item for us. We believe there is enough sapphire purchases involved for you to give in on that one item. Why make us work so hard to determine the actual amount of units in points in our Fortress. Please add that feature for us. 

Thanks
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Lord Oberon
Administrator
19 February, 2016, 1:47 PM UTC

You cannot be so sure about the future amounts of Points that you will receive or the frequency of the Events and Tournaments. 

The feature has been just launched and everything about it is subject to change. 
Oberon, Heir of Veyon, Scion of the Firstborn, Lord Regent of Stormfall
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Lord Oberon
Administrator
19 February, 2016, 1:51 PM UTC

Tommy Lee said:


We saw all of your responses. We also understand we can see the units in our fortress. What we can't see is the total defense points there. There is no good reason to withhold that item for us. We believe there is enough sapphire purchases involved for you to give in on that one item. Why make us work so hard to determine the actual amount of units in points in our Fortress. Please add that feature for us. 

Thanks

Apparently you haven't seen all of my responses. In one or two of them I mentioned that we are working on the fix that would make total defense points of a Fortress visible. 

Please rest assured that this feature will be added in one of the next updates. 

Oberon, Heir of Veyon, Scion of the Firstborn, Lord Regent of Stormfall
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Murtag
19 February, 2016, 4:29 PM UTC

A Great Add-on

Is there Tweaking that could be made, Sure

But this is a Great Start
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queqeg
19 February, 2016, 9:04 PM UTC

Good idea, but could certainly use some improvement. Some suggestions:

1) Right now, it's basically up to one player to purchase the glory points needed to upgrade, certainly if you want to upgrade within a reasonable period of time to level 5 or level 8. Let's get more league members involved, especially non-cash players, if not in purchasing glory points, then being able to contribute to boosting upgrade times using their "universal" boosts.


2) notification of incoming attacks - surely a league fortress will have as much intelligence as a player's castle?


3) at least SOME fortress defense bonus - say 2% for every level, so a level 20 fortress will have a 40% defense bonus. I'd prefer 5% per level, but 2% is better than none.

 
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Murtag
19 February, 2016, 9:18 PM UTC

I noticed that my Allies dont Get my Spy Reports in our Herald from Spying Fortresses

Just to through that out there also :)
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Snorbits65
19 February, 2016, 10:14 PM UTC

Lord Oberon said:


As I mentioned earlier, upgrading a Fortress isn't an easy or a quick task. It's a long term challenge for an entire league to work on. 

It may be but we feel lied to about the tournament rewards issued. Up until now every league member qualifying for the reward of a league tournament received the stated reward. Today this didn't happen we each only received a fraction of the glory points that we had been expecting. The higher the number of qualifying member the smaller fraction we each received.


This should be resolved prior to any further league tournaments.
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djmoody
19 February, 2016, 11:02 PM UTC

Lord Oberon said:


You cannot be so sure about the future amounts of Points that you will receive or the frequency of the Events and Tournaments. 

The feature has been just launched and everything about it is subject to change. 

So 70 points for the league quest wasn't a bug. 

It was so stupidly low I just assumed it was a bug. 

It was so illogical (all the other rewards are personal) I assumed it was a bug.

But now we now where this is going - only the "sapphired" will survive. So cynical. So short term. So utterly greedy. Leaves you cold.

NEVER PUT CONTENT IN A GAME THAT CAN ONLY BE BOUGHT. IT KILLS THE GAME. Nothing to achieve or work for. No way to complete with cash. Nothing will lose you your entire player base faster than this (seen this exact same pattern in another game)

I think you just killed off the last of my waning interest in the game. Not spending a penny more. League community will hold be here for a while but in my heart I just left.

Isn't there a developer out there who will learn to cherish the customers they have for long term profit rather than exploit them for a short term money grab. It's supposed to be a symbiotic relationship but each game I invest time into just leaves me feeling abused. Maybe I just won't even play another strategy MMO for a good while.

Everyone has a right to an opinion. No one has a right to their opinion being respected by other if it can't be backed up with rational and logic explanation
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