today i hit a l55 def position, 350 thuere end up losing 233 getting 101 trojan and 35 spartan promachos

-i was like....oh gosh, the bank amount so high and yet it still taking out my personal unit without big reward, mood down

then i send the rest of the promachos with 5 agema cavalry and 20 swordman to a 1 bar l62 offensive position to weaken it or if can complete it.

once the report appear, it shown all unit dead except 1 swordman return with the reward of 277 agema cavalry and 57 mounted peltast.

the reward only worth of 30% of my total loses of 2.4m defensive and 1.2m offensive of cavalry, now i have cavalry to raid for resource, but i really dont know if there any chance will get back the 2.4m defensive unit at bank, because there is no more defensive unit to hit those l55 onward that cost 350-500k of persians raper.

A good friend of mine just won 2403 Promachoi + 480 Thuerophoroi out of a level 78 position.

He used the old calculation system, only substracting all partial payouts from the bank to know where he is. This one even fell half way from paying back the bank, actually, as he was growing impatient and decided to finish this one off. :D

So all we can say for now is :

- Yes, the bank system is still working, but partial payouts make it growing slower ;

- Payouts (I mean, real, serious ones) trigger in a quite unpredictable manner... :(

this is the reason  im  willing to leave  game and never playing that  retard persians  positions anymore lost more then 20 million

and im not alone from now  on hope plairum plays alone this game is not worth  to play anymore

rgds can

all i see is only 2 moderators defending this new plarium's system:) but, can those 2 moderators explain me, how this can happen:

1. my pay out 18 k m/p s. killed those, killed all partials, killed another 10 %- another pay out 18 k m/p s

2. killed those 18 k m/p s again, killed partials, killed another 10 %- another 18 k m/p s

3. same thing, all dead + extra- 6 k macs...

so what is the point of doing pp any more?

Hi

What was wrong with the first system ?

Big spenders and regular players are asking you to reconsider what you did ? you took from use the only way to get armies. Us who dont put much of real credit ingame,  persians really helped to get armies. For those big spenders enabled them to raise armies by doing persians not theyre losing armies.

You only done this to make more money from people who lose all and in order to keep playing they need to revive. Some also did that before to have even bigger armies but now if you do persians youre always losing.

Or am i wrong only payout i saw was from moderator which doesnt tell me anything. i can get in payout 5 k agemas but if i lost 10 k agemas im still not getting back what i put in and i think that is what persians were meant to do...slowly rising your army little by little now we just lose. Really that is not a game i started playing and enjoy playing it

Regards G

Close this topic already.

Why allow people post about something you don't want to listen about?

And a quick read through the posts could tell you easily that most of the people don't like the new system.

You (Plarium) do not listen and do not care, so close this topic already, its useless.

Not a big spender but seriously considering rage quit the game

Uhm forgot you don't care.

Well close this topic !

The new positions seem to be designed so that people with large armies and high postions lose so many troops they are forced to buy new ones. All the big players are going to leave if the havent already left. This is not a way to treat the best players of the game but I guess you just want random casual players and dont care about retaining the high level players. Your startegy does not make economic sense and you are destroying this game.  

The worst part of all this is that we didnt get any warning, many people had many troops banked that are now lost because like myself they are no longer doing positions with the new system. To continue with the new system I would loose even more. If we would have been informed of the change people would of cleared thier banks before the change. I feel you have stolen about 4 mil worth of troops from me in the so called bank because I will not play these new persians and loose eveything like many high level players have done.

I cant raid King Leo so I guess the only way to go to war here is to keep the wallet closed until this is reversed, or eventually quit if it takes to long.

This new improve system still running at the most horrible payout ever.

i have lost alot of my army previously, and now after using clearing about 5-7 more position i found out that my old loses never been repay me back making me losing another 1.1m defensive army and 600k offensive to this few completed position.

my old loses is 2.4m and 600k offensive after added with the new clear position with no big reward my loses has reach 3.5m defensive and 1.2m offensive.

the previous big reward of 277 agema actually gonna lose back because it only 30% of my previous old loses unit, now after sending the army to clear some of the position i have lose 3x the value of the previous reward of 277 agema.Those moderator showing how profit they are all lier and big fat loser, they wanna support plarium for this scam so they could get pay by drachma and keep their freaking army rebuild while we lose so many and they ignore us and showing some lunatic big payout instead at the beggining they have lose more than they earn and say earning 110% from their loses, shame on you moderator.

stop making fools outta us, people are quitting this game and you guys still know how to "throw a dead cat to a party", if you dont understand this meaning go check the internet for answer.

Dear Moderator, stop making fool outta us by showing the big reward of your's, we all know it has high loses at the beggining and the reward only not even consider the total loses you have lose, stop joking around with us, we know better than you moderator the scammer

this few weeks pass, im been talking about my loses around and around, but you guys keep ignoring and believe those moderator about the reward.

if i'm not losing any army to this new system, you really think i'm that free to repeating what i lose during the persian position again and again, you really think i'm that free to make up some stupid lunatic story to get attention.

honestly i'm just a normal player that love historical of ancient warfare, i never start getting this emo rampage after this new persian position changes.

not because i wanna make up something, but instead it happening, now i'm losing about 3.5m defensive and 1.2m offensive making me left 40% of my total army at acropolis, it a whole face palm situation, hope you guys know how desperated situation i'm facing......losing so much and yet there is no big reward to cover my total loses.

Today persian event i have tested out by clearing 19 position that given me about 9990 persian point using my left over 40% unit.

The result is bad, real freaking bad.....

4.3m defensive and 900k offensive of the 40% at acropolis after clearing 19 position the final conclusion is 4.2m defensive and 600k offensive with 2 time big reward of 399 spartan promachos and 1900 thuerephoros while losing 1200 mounted peltast and 230 agema cavalry, as you can see i have lose 100k defensive and 300k offensive from the result, this is how plarium keep our unit down slowly forcing you to lose 10-30% every time you play persians, if you guys still nut crack, just test it yourself and don't blame me not telling you.

my previous loses was 3.5m defensive and 1.2m offensive, how much or how many i clear, my previous loses never reward back, it just reward me what i spend today and never reward me back what i loses previously.\

good work plarium, you guys really reset my previous loses back to 0 so each day i clear an position you only repay me back what i lose today and delete the previous or yesterday loses.

this game has gone horrible wrong after the new system, good luck on earning quitter rather than dollar, i'm not spending any time on this crappy paddy lousy game.

here is a magic word for the ancient sparta>

Every men must die, but die like this is stupid.

Dear forumers, please be aware that I gave my answer regarding update in this topic.

This System ist just stupid. You get a Big Payout but it dindt cover the loses...

Hello Archon,

i have lost over than 3 million def but i haven,t got any payout,s and don,t have any def troops to do any more def persians

i can see that only moderator,s are in the favour of new persian  position change,s

Well, remember my last payout ?

Since then, i've been going on hitting the lowest positions I was offered when I had quests about them.

Then I got my second surpise payout on August 18th : 518 Promachoi + 104 Thuerophoroi out of a level 48 position.

Then I decided to play more seriously this time.

I used that last payout as my new bank, and for two full weeks, I totally stopped to play Persians at all and built around 3,000 infantry units (Hoplites, Myrmidons and Spartan Hoplites), as without them I would have been condemned to sacrifice the troops I actually wanted to keep.

Then I Sent 1/3 of them, along with Promachoi, to the 3 topmost positions I was offered.

In my case, it was a level 62 (quest one), 61 and 60, in order.

I was intending to hit the level 60 without finishing it and conclude with another level,60 to get the payout without risking to underbank in case of a partial payout, but it was mostly defended with cavalry, so my bunch of infantry and phalanx, though representing only 80% of the Persian force, litterally busted them, 

There I got lucky, as the big payout came immediately : 481 Agemas + 87 Mounted Peltasts, worth 12.3 millions, for only 6 millions invested in all since the previous payout.

I suppose I had actually been overbanking from the previous ones, as I has never had such a tremendous rate.

Anyway, now I have a 12.4 millions (with the resources that were part of the payout) bank to pay back, and honestly, it's still working as before, and I know lots of other people who are still getting great results as well.

So only one thing has changed from the original system : now you get partial payouts every time you fisnish a position.

The solution is then pretty obvious : DO NOT FINISH POSITIONS.

Build your bank from unfinished positions, then go on to overbank at least 30%.

The reason is, after you've paid the bank back, you should trigger the big payout any moment, but remember there have never been 100% chances to get it immediately. Sometimes it could take 2 or 3 trials before it dropped, and this has not changed.

However, what has changed is you'll get partial payouts for each failed trial, so if you don't overbank, the partials may decrease your bank down to under the sweet spot.

That's why you just have to overbank a lot, so you're sure to get your real payout byt finishing a few positions. To know where you are, just substract the partial payouts values from your bank, it's as simple as that. If you're using the spreadsheet, just type negative quantities.

Trust me, it works all the time.

I agree it can take longer than before, but it still works, and the partial payouts are still adding to your army anyway.

As far as my discussions with Plarium are getting, I've been confirmed they've been addressing complaints from lazy people whinning about not getting immediate results, and unfortunately, they were so many to complain they answerd with this new method.

There's no plan to get back for now, so please, adapt and try the method i'm suggesting. It works great for me and other players, so there's no reason why it wouldn't work great for you as well.

The real concern is for people hitting vey high levels. Hitting one or two additional positions may become impossible to achieve and results are too uncertain.

This is an almost unsoluble problem so far, as you obviously can't get additional bunches of the necessary 120 millions worth troops just to overbank for safety.

I have just one question, fighting PP:s in the long term!

Example:

You fight 200 PP:s in a row and winning all time

Your quest PP stays at level 90

You mix fighting offensive and defensive PP:s, even though your main goal is fighting one of them.

You always Attack/Defend with the most suitable troop type

Hello Archon,
In this case you will lose a lot more than you invested. Each level has a cap on the payouts you can receive. Only way to gain more, is to advanced in the PP level. Instead of doing 200 PPs below level 90, why not move up to level 100 and get a larger payout there?

Well, fighting higher levels cost even more "investments", before an eventually Big payout.

@ Longhorn, if you check your post with  2 post above from the other moderator ThatBloke, pay - out doesn't depend on lvl anymore, because he had his big pay - out on a lvl 48 position.

My conclusion with all the other posts; we gonna end up like it was before the change. A lot of fancy stories about the positions, but none that really can explain how it works exactly. And ones and a while also the message that persian positions are an option in the game. If you are able to build all the troops by yourself, then of course the persians are an option. If you can't build them (what is exactly the probleme ingame) then you need the persians.