Get Guaranteed Rewards at Persian Positions!

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ThatBloke
17 July, 2015, 2:51 PM UTC

Well Primeguardian, actually, you lost much more than what you showed on your infirmary screenshot... Don't forget it's only 70% of you losses ! :D LOL

Anyway, I'm the feeling you're not exactly understanding the way Persians work...

 

1) The payout has always been basically the same amount as the investment, not 110%. However, it can fluctuate quite a lot : sometimes much more, sometimes much less, but in the end, what you didn't get immeditely with the old system was kept for later anyway.

The 110% mehtod was actually intented to gradually raise your payout incomes aas your armys grew stronger and you could afford sending more troops. It's more a mehtod to force globally higher rewards than an absolute need.

 

2) Now the new system just drops a few troops as you hit positions, and not only after you've re-invested 100% (or 110%). But you still have to add them all in the end to know what your total payout really was. You can't just consider only the (relatively) big payouts and just not ignore all the rest.

However, you should still be able to get an old fashion big payout, provided you managed to reach the 100% or 110% sweet spot without triggering any partial payout, i.e. not finishing any position until the end.

With the old system, you could afford to actually finish positions, as you got no payout at all most of the time, so it didn't have consequences on the bank. But now, finishing positions has, so just try not to finish any undtil the end.

 

3) Since you actually invested 100% to get 100% (average), the reason to Persians was not just a matter of getting lots of good troops for nothing. The idea was to build fresh, preferably cheap ones, and send them to die in order to get better ones. It has always been thought that way.

Sending loads of horses and phalanx, especially to small levels positions as you shown above, just to get others of the same kind, is clearly a bad idea. I do them with 80 to 90% light and heavy infantry and complete with a pinchful of phalanx if I have to fnish the position (for a quest, for instance).

It does take some patience (so it's a bit incompatible with those many quests and tournaments about Persians we now have more often), but then it works like intended : build cheap fodder from resources you get from raiding anyway and not from real money, send them to positions, earn horses and phalanx, keep them preciously. Don't waste bettter troops to just get the same kind.

I know it was previously usual to burn all you previously earned troops to get a bit more in the end, but I've stopped playing like this a long time ago, as it's too risky : I often ended up with less than I had to start with. Now I'd better grind them slowly, knowing that what I'm building will be lost, but keeping the good troops safe (actually for PVP use) rather than gambling them.

Actually, the main concern with the new system is the frequent resources drops that reduce pure troops payouts. However, even getting mostly small payouts, I'm still getting cavalry and phalanx out of investing infantry, so it's not 100% negative anyway, though it's less a fair trade than previously. But the fact my grain consumption is now strongly negative has to prove my troops numbers are globally increasing (though or course I'm still building some, but not as fast, and the infantry grows only to the point they get all sacrificed before building a new batch).

I pity the fool
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PrimeGuardian
17 July, 2015, 3:42 PM UTC

im been spending out the lower unit to finish an position untill phalanx, cavalry never meant to be use, except the loses of those gather up are total of what i must get a big reward then i start using cavalry to 1hit an position after the phalanx ran out

instead the payout never been big, it just mini reward while the loses at bank were so high, until now about 34 position been complete and yet ther eis no big payout.

it seem the persian position is reset back to 0 everyday, that why i never get any payour reward of those previous loses....the number of bank unit is more than 110% and even if there a big reward it never dcover back the total loses from this previous few day loses because i keep getting what i lose today and not the lose previous day.

that what make me so mad about this change, it been 3 day of persian and still im getting back what i lose today and never gotten back what i lose previous day

my beggining army strength was 900k offensive of agema and macedonian cavalry, 4.7m defensive of thuerephoros and mounted peltast, till today im holding 0 offensive unit and 2.1m defensive after 3 day of no big reward.

even if there big reward there no way it can reward me back an army of 900k offensive and 2.6m defensive, so where is the loses gone to???

you know it need 3000 mounted peltast to earn 2.5m defensive and there is no way it gonna happen with the screenshot im been posting, reward of 300 promachos and 300-400 mounted peltast, there no way it will reward me 2500-3000 mounted peltast value of 2.6m defensive loses and 900k offensive unit.

the purpose of this is to let you guy know, how in the world this persian position will repay me back with so large number of army at l40-60 position im facing...it impossible at all.

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el_bardera
17 July, 2015, 6:16 PM UTC

How many people have to complain until Plarium realizes that players dislike completely the changes?

Until now, 95% of the comments are unfavorable.

Players are more that dissapointed. Players are clearly angry.

Plarium, how many angry players will you need until you notice that you have make a big mistake and bring back the old system? 

 

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player1
17 July, 2015, 7:01 PM UTC

bring back the old system plarium

happy slaying.
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Bryce
18 July, 2015, 1:23 AM UTC

I sent defensive troops to a level 99 defensive pp, the game my offense instead of my defense and kill all my offensive troops. i want my offense back. All I had was defensive persians so you have bug. I have spent a lot on this game and if you don't make this right I will quit the game. Restore my offense immediately. This is dated for tomorrow the 18th so you need to fix these bugs.

 

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TheElitePhantom
18 July, 2015, 4:31 AM UTC

el_bardera said:

How many people have to complain until Plarium realizes that players dislike completely the changes?

Until now, 95% of the comments are unfavorable.

Players are more that dissapointed. Players are clearly angry.

Plarium, how many angry players will you need until you notice that you have make a big mistake and bring back the old system? 

 

The forum posts are not the only indicator of whether or not people like a change. In fact, the people who do like the change are busy playing positions instead of posting on the forums.

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ARES
18 July, 2015, 4:33 AM UTC

Greetings, 

is any chance here to have a Persians positions bank reset sometimes, because if, we receive for example 1000 agema by last payout, and kill them all in another pvp quest, if no reset of pp bank, we must then produce another 1100 agema to can receive a new full reward? in this case we can leave at once the game! all loses must count to pp bank, is much fairer so!

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player1
18 July, 2015, 6:12 AM UTC

No mention of removing gp from the persian mission rewards either

happy slaying.
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el_bardera
18 July, 2015, 12:46 PM UTC

TheElitePhantom said:

el_bardera said:

How many people have to complain until Plarium realizes that players dislike completely the changes?

Until now, 95% of the comments are unfavorable.

Players are more that dissapointed. Players are clearly angry.

Plarium, how many angry players will you need until you notice that you have make a big mistake and bring back the old system? 

 

The forum posts are not the only indicator of whether or not people like a change. In fact, the people who do like the change are busy playing positions instead of posting on the forums.

Are you sure? how do you know it? You dont have any clue of what the people who don't write in the forums think. You just suppose that they thing what is favourable to you (as I may suppose that they think like me) It is a very weak argument against a clear one:hundreds of complaints. I can't understand why are you ignoring this thread so arrogantly.

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Ovidiu78
19 July, 2015, 5:36 AM UTC

I've took some time to test the new system. Plarium definitely changed something else, in the calculation logic. It is not normal to have a calculated loss pool of about 80-90 mil and not get anything big trying positions 78, 79, 81, 81 , 113, 99, 98, 94, 91, 90, 97, 92 and 82 over three days. I don't care what moderators will say, i think they are being lied too as well

It is a shame, but not because things changed, which is a normal thing. The problem is you are not honest with us and explain all the changes, and let us adapt to it. Just like initially, some spent a lot of time to learn the old system, now we are back to square one

I will continue to play probably, but will not invest a single dime in it...so perhaps you could remove for me all the stupid promotion popups?

 

 

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FirstSpartan
20 July, 2015, 4:59 PM UTC

Ovidiu78 said:

 I don't care what moderators will say, i think they are being lied too as well

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It takes an education to fool the masses ;)

As the time has passed, I've noticed a lot of trouble with this discussion in respect to poorly defined terminology. There are references to "the Bank". Plarium says "the bank still exists", and we wait for the payout. When we speak of the 'bank', we refer to our account, not the technology behind the concept. I think we all lost our millions in our "the bank" account when we got the first small payout after the system change. Another bit of confusion stems from accounting practices. Some refer to "millions" and are referring to resource value, while others refer to combat value, which is far more units than resource value. When I refer to "a million in offense" I am talking about the combat value of the units, not the resource value that I have to compute on a spreadsheet I created to accomplish that task. A "massive" payout of 1 million resources is ~40 Agema, while 1 million combat points is ~500 Agema. So, while a million is a million, 40 is not 500. I had ~6 million (combat value) in _my_ bank account, and was working on a level 76 position which, because I _did_ know how to play positions, would have given me an even larger payout when I completed it. The system was changed before I finished the level and, I got 366 Thorokites when I finished, not even 1/2 of what is needed for the next level position. I sense that I will never get my 'original' bank value back - and here is the end : I don't play the positions any more, I don't buy units to fight the Persians any more, I don't buy units out of the infirmary to send at Xerxes any more. I am only building swordsmen to finish the last missions I have. I have stopped because I feel that I have been robbed, though it seems more like embezzlement than robbery. Plarium has surreptitiously stolen my army from me in the middle of the night. 

-Yes, I'm a bit "miffed", I spent money on this game, and I feel as though the company has robbed me of my investment. A personal investment of time, energy, and real life money.


 

FirstSpartan
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Uncle Junior
21 July, 2015, 10:47 AM UTC
TheElitePhantom said:

el_bardera said:

How many people have to complain until Plarium realizes that players dislike completely the changes?

Until now, 95% of the comments are unfavorable.

Players are more that dissapointed. Players are clearly angry.

Plarium, how many angry players will you need until you notice that you have make a big mistake and bring back the old system? 

 

The forum posts are not the only indicator of whether or not people like a change. In fact, the people who do like the change are busy playing positions instead of posting on the forums.

And the people that arent happy with the change are being hushed on the forums and have been asked to address plarium in private. While no changes have been done regarding top players requests Im not really certain how long will we stay in the game. You can speculate as much as you want that people actually do love the change, but the reality is very different. I assure you after this summer manny will never return to sparta and only because of the persian change. People said what they had to say, they were asked to stop stating their opinion and nothing has changed. Nothing else left to do but leave.
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mad
22 July, 2015, 1:29 AM UTC
Bryce said:

I sent defensive troops to a level 99 defensive pp, the game my offense instead of my defense and kill all my offensive troops. i want my offense back. All I had was defensive persians so you have bug. I have spent a lot on this game and if you don't make this right I will quit the game. Restore my offense immediately. This is dated for tomorrow the 18th so you need to fix these bugs.

 

same shit happend to me...
mad
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TheElitePhantom
22 July, 2015, 3:10 AM UTC

Uncle Junior said:

And the people that arent happy with the change are being hushed on the forums and have been asked to address plarium in private. While no changes have been done regarding top players requests Im not really certain how long will we stay in the game. You can speculate as much as you want that people actually do love the change, but the reality is very different. I assure you after this summer manny will never return to sparta and only because of the persian change. People said what they had to say, they were asked to stop stating their opinion and nothing has changed. Nothing else left to do but leave.

The public discussion degenerated as people were hopping onto the bandwagon with nothing to add. Private discussions became more effective of learning what the players really wanted. 

I would be disappointed if so many players left the game before it gets better. Plarium values everybody's feedback, but it has an agenda with a long list of updates. The payouts change is only one of many to facilitate improvement. I'm sorry you choose to see it otherwise. I don't have any details, and they won't make an announcement too far in advance for various reasons, one of which is that they have a habit of cancelling things at the last minute, but I'll try to keep everybody up-to-date. 
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PrimeGuardian
22 July, 2015, 4:13 AM UTC

I'm not supporting the game anymore, im now a walking dead, everyday login look at the left over army at acropolis directly no mood, logout and play other game.......

plarium oh plarium, you guys sure know how to throw a dead cat in a party, good bye.
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Georgio
22 July, 2015, 4:30 PM UTC

PrimeGuardian said:

I'm not supporting the game anymore, im now a walking dead, everyday login look at the left over army at acropolis directly no mood, logout and play other game.......

plarium oh plarium, you guys sure know how to throw a dead cat in a party, good bye.

Dude please just quit the game and take your constant moaning with you...you whine more than my 2 year old


they've changed it, deal with it or quit


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PrimeGuardian
23 July, 2015, 9:20 AM UTC

i will, and it not call moaning, it call informing.

there is no change from the persians position at all, still running at the guarantee reward of every complete position.

it seem you never try them out, so you don't know how ugly it was.

try spend most of you're army there and see how ugly the result is, well i have lose almost 70% of my army to the bank and havent gotten it back.

if this happen to you, see how calm you can go.
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Uncle Junior
23 July, 2015, 4:28 PM UTC
Georgio said:

PrimeGuardian said:

I'm not supporting the game anymore, im now a walking dead, everyday login look at the left over army at acropolis directly no mood, logout and play other game.......

plarium oh plarium, you guys sure know how to throw a dead cat in a party, good bye.

Dude please just quit the game and take your constant moaning with you...you whine more than my 2 year old


they've changed it, deal with it or quit


Thats easy to say if you havent invested any money in to the game. He has every right to complain so if YOU dont like it you can either ignore his messages or leave the forum.
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IAC
23 July, 2015, 9:48 PM UTC

hi

today i am the 80th in the top 100 in the persia position. but i will stop to play the persian position. i had loved the old persian for three raisons:

1) at low level you could transform high grain consuming troops in low grain consuming troops

2) very quickly you can transform some of your DEF in OFF and reverse without nearly any lost

3) if you play every day 12 positions, very very carefully, you can, in average, increase the strength of your army by at least 5% by week.

of course it was the 3 point the most fun.

but with new persia position algorithm the 2 and 3 are not possible anymore. i am so sure to be right that

i challenge plarium to take my count and play 12 positions by days during one week, have increase the strength of my army by 5% and go from def to off and back to def.

if plarium lose i will ask plarium to increase by 15% the number of the army  for all the win in the persia position (small and big). if i lose i will buy a very expensive deal.

do you accept the challenge...i have a very easy city..all my units are upgraded lvl 20. i have 11 M of power in troop and my lvl max in the persia position is 90.

sorry for my poor english

iac


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PrimeGuardian
24 July, 2015, 4:44 AM UTC
don't thin just whackk them, see what happen
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