Persian Positions Payouts Summarized For All

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RIX forum RETIRED
17 October, 2016, 12:23 PM UTC

Greetings Archons,


I am not a top Persian Position player but I do follow it very well and would like to finally explain how Persians actually work in brief.  I do not have all the answers and there are some uncertainties I cannot answer but this basic information will help you understand them much better. This is strictly about the payout or like others state, the loan.

Whatever level your last payout was received on, MUST be the same level you hit in order to receive your next payout guaranteed. For example: Your positions in the oracle range from 1-60, your last payout was a level 50, you've paid the bank and it's ready again, if you DO NOT hit level 50 you will not get an accurate payout. Lets break it down very quickly and simply using the level 50 payout:

If you hit a level higher than 50 (again assuming your last payout was 50) you will increase your loan and will NOT get a payout UNLESS you've paid back enough resources and interest to cover a level above 50.

If you hit a level lower than 50, for example level 40, you will get a partial payout equaling what level 40 provides and then you MUST hit a level 10 or whatever for the remainder of your loan. Remember just because it's 10 levels shy of 50, doesn't mean a level 10 will be the final payout because level 10 positions doesn't pay the difference between level 40 and 50. It's far greater than that so you may have to hit a few lowers until it stops paying.

So your payout was a level 50 and you hit a 40 when the bank was ready and get a level 40 payout, if you hit another level 40, it will only yield the difference between the 40 & 50 payout and you will lose troops for nothing


That is Persian positions in a nut shell.  Many do not keep track of their last payout level and resources owed and paid so they chase their tails.  Many do not take into account partials during the loan repayment and again never figure out their payout.

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an AHOLE
18 October, 2016, 1:55 AM UTC

I just tried this method and it was very accurate.


My last payout was level 75 for 2513 Promachos,

I paid the bank back, test hit a level 22 for 20 Agema and 3 MP,

double checked with a level 32 for 169 saris and 34 thora

Hit a level 75 for a payout of 2250 Promachos and 449 Thureo

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Prometheus
18 October, 2016, 10:36 AM UTC

Thank you very much for this guide, it has some nice spots but I don't think it's very explainable ...Though you explain very well the partial ones !!


Keep it up Archon!
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Alyona Kolomiitseva
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18 October, 2016, 12:24 PM UTC
Thank you for the guide! The more guides on PPs -  the better :)
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The Hunter
8 December, 2016, 10:49 PM UTC
this is the greatest just got a grand pay out 
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Alyona Kolomiitseva
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9 December, 2016, 10:10 AM UTC
The Hunter said:

this is the greatest just got a grand pay out 
Congrats! 
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RIX forum RETIRED
22 December, 2016, 7:07 PM UTC

Just to make a quick note for everyone.  I am finding that the interest owed on a payout is equaling the lesser of the two troop types you win when you get a payout.  


For example:


(hypothetical numbers) Level 50 payout: 400 Promachos & 100 Thureophoros


Loan value in resources:  10610 (promachos) x 400 = 4,244,000    / 5000 (Thureophoros) x 100 = 500,000


4,244,000 + 500,000 = 4,7,244,000 (total loan)


Interest: 5000 (Thureophoros) x 100 = 500,000


Total payback for next loan: 5,244,000


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Now like I said above,  if you pay back the entire amount before you hit for your payout, two factors must be taken into consideration:


1) Your losses on the position you hit for the payout will be above the total loan value and do not count toward next reward a s a credit.


For example:


I paid the loan back, I hit a level 50 again for the payout,  The troops I lose to get the payout are a total loss, my loan was already paid and I ended up killing extra for nothing.

*So you must try and time it so that you owe just enough but not everything before you hit the next position for a payout


2) If you do not hit the same exact level for a payout, depending on how much higher the level is, you will extend the loan and keep chasing the payout


For example: 


 Level 50 payout 5,244,000 resources paid back and your next hit will pay but your next smallest position is level 55.

You hit the level 55 and no payout?  Because your bank was extended to cover the cost of resources between 50 and 55, Plarium will not reward you with level 55 troops with just paying level 50 loan ;)  

THIS DOES NOT MEAN YOU ARE STUCK AT LEVEL 50, YOU CAN GO AS HIGH AS YOU WANT, THE LOAN KEEPS GETTING EXTENDED UNTIL YOU CATCH UP TO IT

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There is a chart somewhere that shows you what the average resource payout for each level is, so you can calculate how much more resources got added to the loan if you go past your last payout level :)


-RIX

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Alyona Kolomiitseva
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23 December, 2016, 9:17 AM UTC
RIX said:

Just to make a quick note for everyone.  I am finding that the interest owed on a payout is equaling the lesser of the two troop types you win when you get a payout.  


For example:


(hypothetical numbers) Level 50 payout: 400 Promachos & 100 Thureophoros


Loan value in resources:  10610 (promachos) x 400 = 4,244,000    / 5000 (Thureophoros) x 100 = 500,000


4,244,000 + 500,000 = 4,7,244,000 (total loan)


Interest: 5000 (Thureophoros) x 100 = 500,000


Total payback for next loan: 5,244,000


_________________________________________________________________________________________________________________


Now like I said above,  if you pay back the entire amount before you hit for your payout, two factors must be taken into consideration:


1) Your losses on the position you hit for the payout will be above the total loan value and do not count toward next reward a s a credit.


For example:


I paid the loan back, I hit a level 50 again for the payout,  The troops I lose to get the payout are a total loss, my loan was already paid and I ended up killing extra for nothing.

*So you must try and time it so that you owe just enough but not everything before you hit the next position for a payout


2) If you do not hit the same exact level for a payout, depending on how much higher the level is, you will extend the loan and keep chasing the payout


For example: 


 Level 50 payout 5,244,000 resources paid back and your next hit will pay but your next smallest position is level 55.

You hit the level 55 and no payout?  Because your bank was extended to cover the cost of resources between 50 and 55, Plarium will not reward you with level 55 troops with just paying level 50 loan ;)  

THIS DOES NOT MEAN YOU ARE STUCK AT LEVEL 50, YOU CAN GO AS HIGH AS YOU WANT, THE LOAN KEEPS GETTING EXTENDED UNTIL YOU CATCH UP TO IT

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There is a chart somewhere that shows you what the average resource payout for each level is, so you can calculate how much more resources got added to the loan if you go past your last payout level :)


-RIX

A very nice and detailed guide, Rix! Maybe you should create a separate tutorial? :)
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xchris2001
31 December, 2016, 11:04 PM UTC
I do not understand, what do you mean by load and payout ect...
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Drag-Theseus
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3 January, 2017, 9:54 AM UTC
Payout is reward which you get by playing Persians
I'm just Time Lord....
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Xena
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3 January, 2017, 8:15 PM UTC

And the loan is the amount of resources you invest when playing persian positions! (the resources of the units you play xerxes with that is)

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