Back to PP - still believe it is not rigged?

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knigochey
19 May, 2017, 11:48 PM UTC

My goal is to redeem a good payout at least equal to what I have "invested" and help my coalition to win couple more Ecimene rewards. 

Unfortunately, Plarium, seems to have opposite objectives.  I am building about 3 million strong troops every month (100 per day) plus coalition rewards plus PP tournaments. And everything I have gets invested. Thus, my payouts are supposed to go up. Not in rality. They actually go down. BTW, I have 165 mil. PP points. o you can guess I am experienced. Enough to not believe in the "PP is fair" narrative.
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Ashu
20 May, 2017, 4:01 AM UTC

How many positions have you completed since the time you started getting less returns? 

a friend of mine started recording all positions he did in spreadsheet with all the payouts he got, his bank was in the negative until he had completed around 800 positions, he then got all his troops back.

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GLP
20 May, 2017, 10:43 AM UTC

knigochey said:


My goal is to redeem a good payout at least equal to what I have "invested" and help my coalition to win couple more Ecimene rewards. 

Unfortunately, Plarium, seems to have opposite objectives.  I am building about 3 million strong troops every month (100 per day) plus coalition rewards plus PP tournaments. And everything I have gets invested. Thus, my payouts are supposed to go up. Not in rality. They actually go down. BTW, I have 165 mil. PP points. o you can guess I am experienced. Enough to not believe in the "PP is fair" narrative.

Keep us posted.

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knigochey
20 May, 2017, 7:45 PM UTC
GLP said:

knigochey said:


My goal is to redeem a good payout at least equal to what I have "invested" and help my coalition to win couple more Ecimene rewards. 

Unfortunately, Plarium, seems to have opposite objectives.  I am building about 3 million strong troops every month (100 per day) plus coalition rewards plus PP tournaments. And everything I have gets invested. Thus, my payouts are supposed to go up. Not in rality. They actually go down. BTW, I have 165 mil. PP points. o you can guess I am experienced. Enough to not believe in the "PP is fair" narrative.

Keep us posted.

Ho about you contributing, too? 
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knigochey
20 May, 2017, 7:50 PM UTC

ashishjoseph22 said:


How many positions have you completed since the time you started getting less returns? 

a friend of mine started recording all positions he did in spreadsheet with all the payouts he got, his bank was in the negative until he had completed around 800 positions, he then got all his troops back.

are you serious about 800 positions? that is as long as life :)

And before hitting, I scout and record every position but those below lvl10 then I choose my troops  according to the enemy alignment 

But as  said, my total is 165 mil points - so definitely I hit more than 800 life time PP. 

however, it is hard to overcome the Plarium settings that are apparently very hostile to ordinary players  
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Zsolt Antal
20 May, 2017, 8:29 PM UTC
i'm not using any sprea sheets even Tonaya give me his ..to much to handle.. i had level 59 oracle ...and till now i get only one  maximum payout of 750 promo  ..in rest maximum 270  agema ..but in general i always lose    ... somewhere in between 100 - 400 k  offense when i draw the line a day  ..just i get in exchange some resources and when it's tournament i 'm receving  the progress..and better army ..exchanging my  light infantary wich it's easy to build with some cavalary  infantary 
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Mullenz
20 May, 2017, 9:41 PM UTC

Zsolt Antal said:


i'm not using any sprea sheets even Tonaya give me his ..to much to handle.. i had level 59 oracle ...and till now i get only one  maximum payout of 750 promo  ..in rest maximum 270  agema ..but in general i always lose    ... somewhere in between 100 - 400 k  offense when i draw the line a day  ..just i get in exchange some resources and when it's tournament i 'm receving  the progress..and better army ..exchanging my  light infantary wich it's easy to build with some cavalary  infantary 

I would not even bother if it was all about couple hundred units. 

The topic is about the hostile/unfair PP settings or "mechanics" as our gorgeous Alyona puts it mildly :)


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d3vnul
21 May, 2017, 12:23 AM UTC

I also have over 100M PP points made so far. Lost entire army (40mil+ off and about 7mil def) , while my past payout was of 13K proms.

So even if i have invested double than my previous reward (in terms of units/resource value) still zero payout (got left with champs yey !).


Asked them to check logs , just to make sure their system didn't bug or something (as it happens for them to have problems with the database as well). They said they checked and all looks normal. So i guess it's normal for the system to F. you up , then trow some revival discounts to lure you into reviving your army ( in my case it costs 5mil+ drachmas to revive my army that got eaten by Xerxes , darn he is hungry/greedy/plarium ).


So my only advice for everyone would be a boycott of the Persians system or use JUST light units if you really like a persian event/tournament , else they will trap/catch you one day. Even casino's have a better payout ratio than plarium's "non gambling game". I believe that the only thing that will ever make plarium to reconsider their on-purpose flawed persian system would be if players realize the truth and stop playing it together (as it's a money making tool).

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GLP
21 May, 2017, 10:15 PM UTC

knigochey said:


GLP said:


knigochey said:


My goal is to redeem a good payout at least equal to what I have "invested" and help my coalition to win couple more Ecimene rewards. 

Unfortunately, Plarium, seems to have opposite objectives.  I am building about 3 million strong troops every month (100 per day) plus coalition rewards plus PP tournaments. And everything I have gets invested. Thus, my payouts are supposed to go up. Not in rality. They actually go down. BTW, I have 165 mil. PP points. o you can guess I am experienced. Enough to not believe in the "PP is fair" narrative.

Keep us posted.

Ho about you contributing, too? 

I did very well at them and stopped when i hit a great payout 6 months ago. Just started doing 156-170 quest ones I haven't done yet. They will probably be a net gain if my past experience with quest positions is anything to go by. Once I clear all the quest ones I'll probably stop again, unless I have a good reason to continue.


Anyway, I'm interested to see how you get on.
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knigochey
22 May, 2017, 8:36 PM UTC
GLP said:

knigochey said:



I did very well at them and stopped when i hit a great payout 6 months ago. Just started doing 156-170 quest ones I haven't done yet. They will probably be a net gain if my past experience with quest positions is anything to go by. Once I clear all the quest ones I'll probably stop again, unless I have a good reason to continue.


Anyway, I'm interested to see how you get on.
Could you specify as to what the "great payout" is? Maybe it was not large enough for them to rob you? Or maybe be after profiling, they did not decide you should be hurt as you spend well.  
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Drag-Theseus
Moderator
23 May, 2017, 7:34 AM UTC


Example of good payout from mine teammate..On one side..I'm really bad in PP.. on the other side.. those who always played PP are getting good payout just like before.. nothing changed, they have their own tactick and it works.

I'm just Time Lord....
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IOANNIS TSIAMANTANIS
23 May, 2017, 6:23 PM UTC
Drag-Theseus said:



Example of good payout from mine teammate..On one side..I'm really bad in PP.. on the other side.. those who always played PP are getting good payout just like before.. nothing changed, they have their own tactick and it works.

Why do you think 586 AGEMA is a good Payout ?
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morteeee
Moderator
23 May, 2017, 7:55 PM UTC
because its only a level 58 position 
History is written by the victors
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Zsolt Antal
23 May, 2017, 8:49 PM UTC
Level 49    position  ...in wich i didn't sent the army  to it ..but don't know how happened my  game freezed ..and guys from support don't respond ..for two days :( ...lost   after that almost 40 k drachmas to revive ..and of course     didn't get all my army back ..after doing positions  not to say the drachmas lost :(  ...and a lot of time ... me one  intended to attack an level 43 offensive positions ...how  this could happen  :( 
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knigochey
24 May, 2017, 1:20 AM UTC
morteeee said:

because its only a level 58 position 
It is not good even for PP 58
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Alyona Kolomiitseva
Community Manager
24 May, 2017, 8:18 AM UTC
knigochey said:

morteeee said:

because its only a level 58 position 
It is not good even for PP 58
Probably :) 
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Drag-Theseus
Moderator
24 May, 2017, 8:51 AM UTC
Alyona Kolomiitseva said:

knigochey said:

morteeee said:

because its only a level 58 position 
It is not good even for PP 58
Probably :) 
Well he is more than happy to get that reward
I'm just Time Lord....
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kjm
24 May, 2017, 10:12 AM UTC

Zsolt Antal said:


Level 49    position  ...in wich i didn't sent the army  to it ..but don't know how happened my  game freezed ..and guys from support don't respond ..for two days :( ...lost   after that almost 40 k drachmas to revive ..and of course     didn't get all my army back ..after doing positions  not to say the drachmas lost :(  ...and a lot of time ... me one  intended to attack an level 43 offensive positions ...how  this could happen  :( 

Hello Zsolt.  


I wrote a tutorial for PP.  It is in the tutorial forum.  It maybe helpful. 


In the report, I see some problems. First, if the attack is for offense, then we should attack the smallest number of units. In that situation, the smallest number of units is the third type -heavy infantry. Next is the second type -light infantry.  So, we should attack that position with many light infantry and heavy infantry troops. Our loses can be less in that situation.  No cavalry or phylanx. They are xerxes biggest offense types. It means they can do 3x damage to our similar type troops in that situation. So, bigger losses if we use calvary or phylanx.   The tutorial has some tools that can show the result difference.  


Losses pay back the bank. But better to save troops if we can. Good luck
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Dracos
24 May, 2017, 10:24 AM UTC
Drag-Theseus said:



Example of good payout from mine teammate..On one side..I'm really bad in PP.. on the other side.. those who always played PP are getting good payout just like before.. nothing changed, they have their own tactick and it works.

Did your teammate send tens of thousands of lights in that one attack and we can't see it or did he previously fill the bank? I find it inconceivable for someone to come out of PP with much much more than they sent in, this is Plarium after all.
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Zsolt Antal
24 May, 2017, 10:52 AM UTC
kjm said:

Zsolt Antal said:


Level 49    position  ...in wich i didn't sent the army  to it ..but don't know how happened my  game freezed ..and guys from support don't respond ..for two days :( ...lost   after that almost 40 k drachmas to revive ..and of course     didn't get all my army back ..after doing positions  not to say the drachmas lost :(  ...and a lot of time ... me one  intended to attack an level 43 offensive positions ...how  this could happen  :( 

Hello Zsolt.  


I wrote a tutorial for PP.  It is in the tutorial forum.  It maybe helpful. 


In the report, I see some problems. First, if the attack is for offense, then we should attack the smallest number of units. In that situation, the smallest number of units is the third type -heavy infantry. Next is the second type -light infantry.  So, we should attack that position with many light infantry and heavy infantry troops. Our loses can be less in that situation.  No cavalry or phylanx. They are xerxes biggest offense types. It means they can do 3x damage to our similar type troops in that situation. So, bigger losses if we use calvary or phylanx.   The tutorial has some tools that can show the result difference.  


Losses pay back the bank. But better to save troops if we can. Good luck
Mate  thanks but seems u didn't understand what i wroted ... i didn't send the troups on that defensive positions off purpose ..i know  a few things about them...and  one for sure it's to not sent  almost all youre offensive army  to an defensive position.. me wanted to  attack and offensive one  ...now waiting for almost three days to   support to tell me what happened..and hopping i get some army or drachmas spent back  to revive  back   :(
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