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Persian Position

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lil_uzi94
16 April, 2016, 8:27 AM UTC
For the last three days I have been teaching an entire coalition on how to do PP. but no one believes me. Just goes to show that most of the players are losing out on a very fun aspect of the game. I think if Plarium just showed everyone what their bank level was we could see much more PP activity and a lot of players have been recommending this for some time now. btw, mini reduction was not 5% so I dont know what you guys are saying. seems more like 95% reduction.
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mad
16 April, 2016, 9:25 AM UTC

WARNING !!!


Nobody should attempt positions.. the tweak was so hard..  one can not even come close to breaking even now..


Good Luck..



mad
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patakal
16 April, 2016, 10:24 AM UTC
Can you help me out... any new update on positions?? how should we do it now... i have been losing troops terribly without any considerable payout... 
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HADES
16 April, 2016, 11:38 AM UTC
mad said:

WARNING !!!


Nobody should attempt positions.. the tweak was so hard..  one can not even come close to breaking even now..


Good Luck..



^^^^^ This guy is right
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RIX
16 April, 2016, 11:56 AM UTC
A resource bar would be genius!  The calculating is BRUTAL and most of us have this crazy thing to do everyday called Real Life.
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ThatBloke
16 April, 2016, 2:46 PM UTC

Partials payouts have been dramatically reduced, but full payouts are normal AFAIK.


Remember before the previous change, you were getting NO PARTIAL AT ALL, and everybody yelled when they were introduced.


Lower partials should mean lower banks to pay back, thus more frequent full payouts.

At least we hope so. ^^


I pity the fool
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lil_uzi94
16 April, 2016, 4:49 PM UTC
ThatBloke said:

Partials payouts have been dramatically reduced, but full payouts are normal AFAIK.


Remember before the previous change, you were getting NO PARTIAL AT ALL, and everybody yelled when they were introduced.


Lower partials should mean lower banks to pay back, thus more frequent full payouts.

At least we hope so. ^^


we like the partial system :P
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lil_uzi94
16 April, 2016, 4:52 PM UTC
patakal said:

Can you help me out... any new update on positions?? how should we do it now... i have been losing troops terribly without any considerable payout... 
join lionsgate pride 5 and I teach you everything!
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ThatBloke
16 April, 2016, 4:54 PM UTC
Yes, so did I. But the partials are now worth around 1/0th of what they were once worth... :(
I pity the fool
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lil_uzi94
16 April, 2016, 6:47 PM UTC
ThatBloke said:

Yes, so did I. But the partials are now worth around 1/0th of what they were once worth... :(
its funny how they said 5%. expected more from elitephantom at the least. 
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RIX
16 April, 2016, 8:37 PM UTC

ThatBloke said:


Yes, so did I. But the partials are now worth around 1/0th of what they were once worth... :(

I'm confused AF because my last big payout was 700 macs and several positions later I get 450 phalanx  so now I'm actually in the negative on paying the bank back.

Not happy about this and that 700 mac payout was before the last tweak so do you think this phalanx payout was my new "big one"???

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lil_uzi94
16 April, 2016, 9:25 PM UTC
lil_uzi94 said:

patakal said:

Can you help me out... any new update on positions?? how should we do it now... i have been losing troops terribly without any considerable payout... 
join lionsgate pride 5 and I teach you everything!
i mean lost souls pride 5
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Rob May
16 April, 2016, 11:09 PM UTC
lil_uzi94 said:

lil_uzi94 said:

patakal said:

Can you help me out... any new update on positions?? how should we do it now... i have been losing troops terribly without any considerable payout... 
join lionsgate pride 5 and I teach you everything!
i mean lost souls pride 5
where is your pride guys, when u joined dying LS? :)
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lil_uzi94
17 April, 2016, 2:25 AM UTC
Rob May said:

lil_uzi94 said:

lil_uzi94 said:

patakal said:

Can you help me out... any new update on positions?? how should we do it now... i have been losing troops terribly without any considerable payout... 
join lionsgate pride 5 and I teach you everything!
i mean lost souls pride 5
where is your pride guys, when u joined dying LS? :)
There's nothing wrong with strategic mergers :)
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ThatBloke
17 April, 2016, 8:33 AM UTC

lil_uzi94 said:


its funny how they said 5%. expected more from elitephantom at the least. 

Yeah, it's more like 90% decrease... :p



RIX said:


I'm confused AF because my last big payout was 700 macs and several positions later I get 450 phalanx  so now I'm actually in the negative on paying the bank back.

Not happy about this and that 700 mac payout was before the last tweak so do you think this phalanx payout was my new "big one"???

You shouldn't confuse them anymore, since partials are now always ridiculously small. :p


Now about your full payouts values, don't forget they're only based upon the level that gives them and have nothing to do with your actual investments.

That's the only relevance for using a spreadsheet : knowing when you have to stop hitting low level positions and focus on higher ones only to get a decent payout when it drops.


I pity the fool
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RIX
17 April, 2016, 11:18 AM UTC
ThatBloke said:



You shouldn't confuse them anymore, since partials are now always ridiculously small. :p


Now about your full payouts values, don't forget they're only based upon the level that gives them and have nothing to do with your actual investments.

That's the only relevance for using a spreadsheet : knowing when you have to stop hitting low level positions and focus on higher ones only to get a decent payout when it drops.


Makes sense.  Build your repayment on the lowers and hit the highest for a maximum payout. So I will assume that phalnx payout was the big one since I just started Persians again after the tweak.
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ThatBloke
17 April, 2016, 2:17 PM UTC

Hitting medium levels such as 49-60 has been easier as quests came (or I would never have enough fodder for higher ones).


Then I got very close to paying back my bank and switched to higher levels. I don't wait to the last moment, because I know payouts often frop sooner than expected (actually, it may come from the fact I'm misinterpreting the rules.I consider partials add to the full payout to form the next bank, while others consider partials reduce your investment. Well, either cases, smaller partials should mean smaller paybacks anyway), so I first hit a level 71 and got another partal (a ridiculous one : 71 Promachoi + 14 Thureophoroi).


Then I hit a level 72 with a good probablity to get the jackpot. I could actually have hit a level 74 or 75, but since I wasn't 100% sure, I considered I couldn't afford hitting another big one if I lost too many troops, so I aimed at a more accessible one).


Of course I should have hit that level 74 or 75, but you never know... ;) Anyway, that was the right moment : 950 macedonians + 191 Mounted Peltasts. :)

At least, full payouts aren't broken. Phew. ^^


My previous payout was from April 1st. As you can see, I'm not rushing... Building fodder takes lots of time, and I can't play every tournament (or just a few hits to get the lower tier rewards).
I pity the fool
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mad
18 April, 2016, 1:24 AM UTC

CAN SOMEONE FILL ME IN ? 


FROM MY UNDERSTANDING,  ITS ONLY WHEN POSITIONS ARE REDUCED TO 1 BAR THAT ONE GET S A 1/10 PARTIAL PAYOUT.. ? OR IS IT

TWEAKED...  FROM THE MOMENT WE SEND A SMALL INQUIRY WAVE TO INQUIRE ABOUT THE TYPES PERSIAN UNITS WE ARE ABOUT TO ENGAGE.. CAN SOME ONE CLARIFY PLEASE.. ?



mad
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ThatBloke
18 April, 2016, 9:36 AM UTC

Easy.


You don't care a f.ck about reducing to 1 bar or any other useless gimmicks.


You get rewards from previous attempts until you get a full payout. You add them all. You evaluate how much resources they're worth using each unit ingame description. This is your bank to pay back.


Now you go on hitting positions. You finish them or chip them, down to 1 bar, or whatever. Nobody cares.

But doing so, you're losing troops. This is the one and only relevant point.

Calculate your losses value in resources the same way as you did for your rewards. These are your paybacks.


When your total payback is almost equal to your bank, then your next hit will have lots of chance to reward you a new full payout.

Then you'll aim at high level positions, in order to get a payout that's big enough, or you'll have lost more than you'll get.


Note : you can finish the ones you've chipped down to get the payout, it of course works allright.

However, in order to get somehting there, you'll have to be close enough to paying back the bank or even having paid it back already, or you'll get nothing. The reason is you'll be needing very few troops to finish them, meaning you'll be paying back almost nothing. So if you're too far away from paying back the bank, don't finish the chipped ones.

Instead, hit a fresh new high level one so you're sure to pay back the bank once and for all. Then, either you'll get your payout right now, or you'll be able to finish the chipped ones at last in case you didn't get it already. The reason is you never have 100% chances to get the payout, so having a way to try other positions for almost free is a good thing in this case.

They're more spare positions than anything else.

Actually, this is the one and only reason why chipping positions down to one bar could be useful, as you're often broke when you're striking the last blow. ;)

Of course, never hit a low level position, chipped down or not, when you're waiting for the payout, as you could get it, and it will be as small as the  level is low. Low level chipped positions are to be hit only immediately after the full payout.
I pity the fool
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andrewjmcmahon
19 April, 2016, 11:22 AM UTC
Last week I got a full payout of 6500K Sarissophoros from a level 102! there are still good numbers out there, You just need to risk it all. lol
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