4 year

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tyrone
31 August, 2017, 10:46 AM UTC

Only have one Q

How can it be that game take away 60-80.000.000 in Offensive troops 

And at same time 20M in D troops on ZHG missions?


I been play this game every day since 2013-08-04 (4 year and some days) and now you killed me - not an enemy that i calculate a risk with, but game creators them self - I really would love to have an answer on this.


To this i can add on, 100's or 1000'th of hours, don't even want to know how many $ i been put in to game (but this you know better then me)


Please don't give me a stupid answer like, keep try and do more missions, that will not work, same is for "you been have a lot of resources", same here: no i have not, if i compare 60M O in lost on ZHG, then its a fart in space that i got in return.


I did some calculation some time back, where i understand that around 2M/month i can build in O - you took away ALL troops from me now and to get back i have to rebuild for ... 36Month more (give or take) 


Is this how it's suppose to be? 


Easy and honest question.. 
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RobertShatz
Moderator
31 August, 2017, 11:31 PM UTC
Commander...I am not about to tell you how to play your game..I will say this..I never send all my units after an S/D..To me S/D is nothing more than a shot at hitting it big..What I do is build light/heavies and use them for my S/Ds....This is my strategy and Soldiers is a strategy game..If I get tanks/choppers , I bunker them..build more lights/heavies and go at the S/Ds again..and I might add that I think after lvl 115 the risk is higher than ever..but again,,this is my strategy..Never..Never kill all your units on an S/D
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Sergey Kryvorotchenko
Community Manager
1 September, 2017, 7:40 AM UTC

Hi there! I understand your point, but our game is a strategy, Sir. You may both win and lose here. As the level of your S/Ds grows, it takes more time and effort to receive big prize. Rewards and risks increase too. This is why it is important to consider the aforementioned points and choose the strategy that fits your playing style.

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tyrone
1 September, 2017, 8:22 AM UTC

Then explain to me how people should do the strategy.
I ask a forward Question and you tell me to make a strategy, for me it was a clear strategy, Swap all troops to Helos (O or D) so i can start build up light/tanks again and still have founds (done this many times before with a 3-4% lost witch i think its ok for this)

Did some SnD missions and lost 10-12% of O some while back, and thinking game might "pay me back" now, result - took all troops..

80M , for you that might be little compare to other players, but for me that is result of a LOT of fighting with troops come and go during 4 years of playing, also SnD with success 

Now you been take it all away.

Result of this, you loos a paying player, my team loose a forward person that been pushing for your game and many other players that been follow what happen to me will be scared to do SnD in future...

i think its time that you start to be open about what SnD really is, there is a LOT of "o know how to do" out in cyberworld, but with this, i proof them all wrong.....

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Sergey Kryvorotchenko
Community Manager
1 September, 2017, 1:33 PM UTC

zenki said:


hello community manager!  

I want to see a photo report for ZHG levels until you get a reward!  

Wait so long but I have not found a specific and clear answer yet!  

Anyhow let me know! 

I recommend asking this to your Combine members or other experienced players.

I'm sure they will be happy to help you

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Sergey Kryvorotchenko
Community Manager
1 September, 2017, 1:37 PM UTC

tyrone said:


Then explain to me how people should do the strategy.
I ask a forward Question and you tell me to make a strategy, for me it was a clear strategy, Swap all troops to Helos (O or D) so i can start build up light/tanks again and still have founds (done this many times before with a 3-4% lost witch i think its ok for this)

Did some SnD missions and lost 10-12% of O some while back, and thinking game might "pay me back" now, result - took all troops..

80M , for you that might be little compare to other players, but for me that is result of a LOT of fighting with troops come and go during 4 years of playing, also SnD with success 

Now you been take it all away.

Result of this, you loos a paying player, my team loose a forward person that been pushing for your game and many other players that been follow what happen to me will be scared to do SnD in future...

i think its time that you start to be open about what SnD really is, there is a LOT of "o know how to do" out in cyberworld, but with this, i proof them all wrong.....

Commander, let me remind you that S/Ds are one of the gameplay elements, it's an optional daily in-game activity, in which our players can, but not obliged to participate. Players destroy S/Ds and receive rewards for their successful missions. You can try to figure out what's the most effective way to destroy ZHG Units, and what determines the size of your Rewards. There are many tutorials and additional guides on this subject on our portal.


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Badlag247
1 September, 2017, 4:27 PM UTC

To Tyrone:

Your frustration is warranted. That is the main thing I see in your posts.

Yes: you lost the rewards you accumulated over 4+ years, and it will take nearly that long to recover from that kind of a loss.

(Slightly less due to improved production and resources.)

1 point that comes from this is that the game makes it easy to lose catastrophically, and hard to recover from this.

(Lose 4 years of work in 1 battle.)

I think this is a game flaw that has not been adequately addressed as of yet, but has been evident since the early days of TW style gaming.

Now, to answer your question:

How it can happen is that you attacked a force stronger than your force, either in a single battle, or in repeated attacks.

You seem to have made the assumption that you would continue to get rewards with 3-5% losses, and when that didn't happen, you pressed your battles to try and get the reward.

I am not an expert on the game, having only played about 2 weeks, but I have played many of the other 5 "clones" as well a numerous similar games.

What my experience tells me is: the higher the losses in S+D, the less likely you are to break even, or come close. While losses do tend to be added to the pool, there is some factor (I have not figured out) that limits the amount in the pool. This might be (for example) only adding the "first round" losses, but conducting the battle from many rounds until 1 side is eliminated.

Unlike PvP battles, the S+D battles result in 100% losses to 1 side, which means higher losses for the other side, but it is not clear how the game calculates these extra losses. What does seem to be clear is that they don't help your payback that I can tell. This is where most of the 3-5% (or higher) losses comes from over time.

For this reason, my strategy is to not push into high % losses. I did some testing on at least 3 clones with consistent results: high % loss battles lead to larger losses compared to the final payout. There might be ways to do this effectively, but I have not found it in my testing.


Short answer to your question is: It was possible because you were willing to take the risk. Even though it was not PvP, it still had risk, and apparently you miss judged the risk. It is possible (even likely) that you are close to your next pay out on S+D.
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tyrone
2 September, 2017, 9:50 PM UTC

Sergey Kryvorotchenko said:


tyrone said:


Then explain to me how people should do the strategy.
I ask a forward Question and you tell me to make a strategy, for me it was a clear strategy, Swap all troops to Helos (O or D) so i can start build up light/tanks again and still have founds (done this many times before with a 3-4% lost witch i think its ok for this)

Did some SnD missions and lost 10-12% of O some while back, and thinking game might "pay me back" now, result - took all troops..

80M , for you that might be little compare to other players, but for me that is result of a LOT of fighting with troops come and go during 4 years of playing, also SnD with success 

Now you been take it all away.

Result of this, you loos a paying player, my team loose a forward person that been pushing for your game and many other players that been follow what happen to me will be scared to do SnD in future...

i think its time that you start to be open about what SnD really is, there is a LOT of "o know how to do" out in cyberworld, but with this, i proof them all wrong.....

Commander, let me remind you that S/Ds are one of the gameplay elements, it's an optional daily in-game activity, in which our players can, but not obliged to participate. Players destroy S/Ds and receive rewards for their successful missions. You can try to figure out what's the most effective way to destroy ZHG Units, and what determines the size of your Rewards. There are many tutorials and additional guides on this subject on our portal.


So in short, it is like i explain at start. No answer from you, no explanation at all, no "hint" on where to look for answers..

Then i tell you as well - i'm out 

Good luck with game in future, i think you will need it 

Tyrone


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Sergey Kryvorotchenko
Community Manager
4 September, 2017, 12:44 PM UTC
zenki said:

I do not know what you mean ?!  

hello community manager!  

I know that but can you share some secrets for the players? 

Hi! Unfortunately, I can't :(
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Badlag247
4 September, 2017, 2:06 PM UTC

What about the secret of how you like to dress when the wife isn't home? 

Just kidding.


Seriously though: here is a secret that will help many newer players trying to figure out how locations work:

When you are collecting data to see how and when the locations pay out their big pay offs: be sure to make note of which locations cause the reset of your progress.

To put this in terms most people have used to describe the process:

As you fight locations, you accumulate a "bank" from the rewards you've been "under paid" at locations.

The secret is that some of the locations (in a predictable manner) will zero out this bank, and throw off your data if you don't account for it.

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