About gustav gun

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jesalicante
9 February, 2016, 1:54 PM UTC

In the game load screen appears a gustav gun , they will addi t to the game or just decoration?

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John Black
Administrator
9 February, 2016, 3:44 PM UTC
And would you like to see it in the game, Commander?
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Raaskaal
9 February, 2016, 9:42 PM UTC
While the concept of Zandian-era Gustav gun would have some "blow them all to hades, and let the gods sort it out" kind of appeal- for the surgical type warfare we are doing, lobbing 16.5K lb., concrete-piercing artillery shells 30 miles seems to be pointless. We don't have fixed strategic assets that it would benefit us to destroy this way.
Yeah, it's sorta just like that only different.
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jesalicante
9 February, 2016, 10:00 PM UTC
If the developers of the game adds it, i will be happy.  It wil be good like an strategic unic, with a great attack and with the cost of 5000 diamonds.
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Red-Terror
10 February, 2016, 4:03 PM UTC

my concept of "Gustav Cannon" is as follows:


- The player who buys the Gustav cannon, he can place it on a "free space" (on the map), as if it were a base ... but instead it is a super heavy artillery weapons.

the player can move it by a free space to another, or keep it in his base.


- The weapon has a maximum range which must be determined at the discretion of the game developers (for example, 8 or 12 km).


- All players whose base falls within range where Gustav cannon is placed are warned that they are potentially threatened by an attack.


- So that the cannon gustav works, after it is placed on a free space, it requires reinforcement troops that must be sent inside it (just as if it were a base).

the minimum number of troops to be sent, so as to allow the operation of the gun, it must be determined at the discretion of the game developers (wikipedia says that the cannon needed a crew of more than 1,300 men!).


- When inside of Gustav cannon will be sent the necessary troops, it will begin to automatically load a shell every 30 minutes (or another time, to be determined).

When the upload is finished, it can be fired a shot on a base that is within range of the cannon (the strength of the shell it must be determined).

Regardless of the number of shells that the player has produced, the Gustav cannon has a rate of fire equal to 1 shot every 20 minutes.


- Gustav cannon can be set automatically, to automatically fire a shot every 30 minutes on a target-base, pre-set by the player who owns the Gustav cannon (Therefore this means that each shell that is automatically produced by the cannon, is also automatically fired!)..

...or it may be set to "manual" mode: in this case is the player to select which base shoot and when he want shoot (max: 1 shot every 20 minutes).


- you could also imagine the possibility of creating two different types of shells.

As stated by wikipedia: the Gustav cannon was able to shoot two different types of shells, a more powerful shell, but with a lower range, a less powerful attack, but with a greater range.

you could also imagine to change the timing of the rate of fire, according to the selected shell (eg --> each 20 min = light shell / each 35 min = heavy shell).


- Once the Gustav cannon was placed in a free space (on the map) it can be removed from that place no earlier than 3 hours (wikipedia says that Gustav cannon needed three days to be assembled!).


- I have not yet clear how the Gustav gun can be destroyed, but it must be a way not too simple, but also not too hard!

Maybe you could imagine that it has several "vitality points" ... that allow it to survive to several attacks, before it is finally destroyed.

I leave to you the way to solve this complex problem!

Perhaps, in relation to the maximum defensive force that can be sent on the cannon (ex: 20k), one could imagine to restrict the "offensive force" that can be sent in order to attack the cannon (eg: max 7k).

in this way it will be difficult to break through the defenses and destroy the cannon.

honestly, I do not know how to fix this ...

The risk is to make the cannon too vulnerable (therefore not advantageous to buy).


- Each player can own a maximum of only two gustav cannon at the same time (as wikipedia says: there were only two copies of this cannon, built by the Germans: Dora and Gustav).

If the cannon is destroyed by another player, it can be bought back by the player, but a player can not have more than two guns simultaneously.


- When the player leaves the "Gustav cannon" inside his base, "guastav cannon" goes in "defensive mode."

This means that it no longer shoots shells on the bases that fall within its range (8 or 12 km, as said before), but it strikes preventively only incoming attacks on the base!

For example, 8 or 12 minutes before the attack of another player arrives on your base, his army it collides with a "defensive force" that represents the Gustav gun's attack, fired on the incoming army (The "defensive force" of this shot must be determined).

Obviously the "rate of fire" of the gun it remains 20 minutes for each shot.

the player can set the automatic launch of the shot (in this case the attack is fired on the first army arriving on the base), or choose the manual mode: in this case he can decide which one of the "incoming attacks" to stike.


- If the Gustav cannon is placed inside the bunker, it becomes inoperative and it can not shoot neither defensive nor offensive attacks (but can not be destroyed by incoming attacks).



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jesalicante
10 February, 2016, 4:13 PM UTC
A good idea guy, im agree with that
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Red-Terror
10 February, 2016, 4:29 PM UTC

EDIT :


alternatively this new item could be conceived as the excavation sites (similar to AvP event).


- Various Gustav guns are randomly placed on the map (as if they were depots to conquer)

- Each player can decide to occupy this "base/cannon" with his troops.

- When you have captured a Gustav Cannon, you can use it as described above!


This would simplify a lot of problems, such as:

- How to destroy a Gustav Cannon (in this new idea would be indestructible, but it is a public instrument ... it does not belong to anyone).

- How to place this unit on a free space (on the map) as if it were a base.

- How to put this strange units inside the bunker

- Etc ...


in short: it would be a depot, that instead of giving resources to its occupant, it allows him to shoot the nearby bases!!


this is much more easy to make!!

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jesalicante
10 February, 2016, 5:39 PM UTC

I prefer your first idea. I think we should do a petition for increment it in the game

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Red-Terror
11 February, 2016, 12:54 AM UTC

jesalicante said:


I prefer your first idea. I think we should do a petition for increment it in the game


Yes, but there are many problems,that are very difficult to resolve, considering how the game is structured.


In this game the units are a different thing from what are the buildings ...

are two separate things.

create an object that behaves both as a building and as a unit, which could be incompatible with the structure of the game and it would be necessary to change everything.


Furthermore, even if these problems are being solved, this unit would be very complex / intricate to use ... most likely it would be easier to buy a "tactical missile" and launch it on the target base, instead of wasting time with Gustav Cannon.


The solution that sees the "Gustav cannon" as a "depot" that allows you to shoot on nearby bases (rather than gives you resources) ... is less beautiful ... but easier to use, faster to use, and more feasible (also more compatible with the structure of the game).

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chensu
11 February, 2016, 1:59 AM UTC

just use it as a strategic unit for STRATEGIC UNITS 

Offense 10,000

And max bonus is 50,000, max units 5 

F-32 Excalibur+10,000 

Samson + 7,000 

Reiliy + 3,000 

Ghost corps + 1,500

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John Black
Administrator
11 February, 2016, 9:47 AM UTC
So, your idea is to use this gun as an Offensive weapon? That would be hurt!
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Red-Terror
11 February, 2016, 1:13 PM UTC

both roles as strategic aliens


if you want to assign to it only a defensive role, then I think the best thing would be the one I described in the penultimate stage of my idea.


a cannon capable of launching a "defensive force" (a "defensive wall") on incoming attacks, before they hit the base.

Therefore the aggressor player collide first with this "force" (shot by Gustav cannon) and then, if it survives, he continue its attack until it reaches the base.


This would be its special feature.
Then, of course, the Gustav cannon would also have a defensive profile, when the attacker reaches the base.

but its characteristic would be to subject the offensive army (which is coming) to a preventive impact with another defensive force (before it reaches the base)

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jesalicante
11 February, 2016, 1:49 PM UTC
Black, can you propose the idea to the developers team?
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John Black
Administrator
12 February, 2016, 9:38 AM UTC
jesalicante said:

Black, can you propose the idea to the developers team?
Sure I will, Commander. But I can't promise that they will accept this idea. They have their own vision and plans.
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jesalicante
12 February, 2016, 4:24 PM UTC
Ok, Thanks
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Abu_Kasap
14 February, 2016, 6:01 PM UTC

Just an info for all:

1. IF there is GC - it will be for diamonds. 100%

2. There is a tons of ppl with a lot of alts - imagine 5-6 GC shooting at 1 place.

Have fun.
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jesalicante
17 February, 2016, 6:57 PM UTC
Black, have you talked about the gustav gun with the developers yet?
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John Black
Administrator
18 February, 2016, 9:11 AM UTC
jesalicante said:

Black, have you talked about the gustav gun with the developers yet?
Nope, I have no idea what they have prepared.
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jesalicante
22 February, 2016, 1:43 PM UTC
ok, so can you do it please? I think it will glad to too much people, and it can be a good amount of money to the owner of the game company, for only a few hours of work.
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John Black
Administrator
22 February, 2016, 3:24 PM UTC
jesalicante said:

ok, so can you do it please? I think it will glad to too much people, and it can be a good amount of money to the owner of the game company, for only a few hours of work.
Let's just wait and see what comes, Commander.
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